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Anybody know what's happened/happening with the Transition to Satellite Technology ADSB proposal which closed for comments back in 31-Oct-07 ?
According to the JCP timetable, 11 new enroute radars should have been ordered and the ADSB subsidy underway by now.
According to the JCP timetable, 11 new enroute radars should have been ordered and the ADSB subsidy underway by now.
Don't hold your breath! Surely someone in the know at AA can advise on what is going on. My guess is that the plan to subsidise GA was never a goer as no measurable safety issue was being addressed.
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C1026/08
AUTOMATIC DEPENDENT SURVEILLANCE BROADCAST SER (ADS-B) AVBL TO AUTHORISED ACFT OPR WI LINE OF SIGHT OF THE FOLLOWING LOCATIONS:
ALICE SPRINGS
BILLABONG (KALBARRI 012/055)
BOURKE
BROOME
BUNDABERG
ESPERANCE
KARRATHA
LONGREACH
TENNANT CREEK
THURSDAY ISLAND
WOOMERA
HIGH ALTITUDE COVERAGE DETAILS AVBL AT
WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM/ADSB/COVERAGE
AUTOMATIC DEPENDENT SURVEILLANCE BROADCAST SER (ADS-B) AVBL TO AUTHORISED ACFT OPR WI LINE OF SIGHT OF THE FOLLOWING LOCATIONS:
ALICE SPRINGS
BILLABONG (KALBARRI 012/055)
BOURKE
BROOME
BUNDABERG
ESPERANCE
KARRATHA
LONGREACH
TENNANT CREEK
THURSDAY ISLAND
WOOMERA
HIGH ALTITUDE COVERAGE DETAILS AVBL AT
WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM/ADSB/COVERAGE
Safety benefit - if ATC can pass observed traffic in airspace near these aerodromes it has to be a benefit, benefit is restricted by number of aircraft fitted with ADS B-OUT though.
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Didn't you stop the Low-Level Project Dick... what was that I remember on a previous ADS-B thread about a particular letter to the Minister of the previous Government?
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It seems to have gotten quiet on the ADSB front.
Anybody know what's happening ? (behind the scenes).
(or has ASA and the minister become somewhat preoccupied with other issues, such as the lack of controllers)
Anybody know what's happening ? (behind the scenes).
(or has ASA and the minister become somewhat preoccupied with other issues, such as the lack of controllers)
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Only up to post 8 and the thread agro begins again
I would not call the airlines or DOTARS "private GA amateurs"
Just to set the record straight anyway, I think you will find the GA position re mandate was conditional on the subsidy. Helps if one reads the JCP and the responses
I'm told Free Flight are out here in a fortnight for an ADS-B meeting.
Also note another potential kick in the tum tum for UAT re WX - Avidyne are presenting on Sunday at RVAC re their satellite WX (including Oz I believe). With that and the FAA turning off TIS stations - UAT might be a lonely carrier
Just think if the USA put the extra $ for the dual system into one system and a GA subsidy 
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Only up to post 8 and the thread agro begins again
I would not call the airlines or DOTARS "private GA amateurs"
Just to set the record straight anyway, I think you will find the GA position re mandate was conditional on the subsidy. Helps if one reads the JCP and the responses
I'm told Free Flight are out here in a fortnight for an ADS-B meeting.
Also note another potential kick in the tum tum for UAT re WX - Avidyne are presenting on Sunday at RVAC re their satellite WX (including Oz I believe). With that and the FAA turning off TIS stations - UAT might be a lonely carrier
Just think if the USA put the extra $ for the dual system into one system and a GA subsidy
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If you maintain the AOPA position is the GA position you presume too much.
If the subsidy amounts to nothing do I assume AOPA then oppose ADSB?
It's too bloody late for opposition then isn't it? But you already know that.
If a mandate preceeds a subsidy owners will pay out of their own pockets.
Blokes like you need slapping with an article 12.
If the subsidy amounts to nothing do I assume AOPA then oppose ADSB?
It's too bloody late for opposition then isn't it? But you already know that.
If a mandate preceeds a subsidy owners will pay out of their own pockets.
Blokes like you need slapping with an article 12.
I have just been in the USA and had good discussions with FAA experts and Phil Boyer from AOPA in Frederick regarding ADS-B. There are some really interesting things happening.
I will be giving the luncheon address at the Aircraft Electronics Association’s 2008 South Pacific meeting at the Novotel Palm Cove Resort near Cairns at 12.00 pm on Friday 14 November. I am happy to brief anyone at that time. Those interested might like to call me on 0408 640 221 or 02 9450 0600.
I will be giving the luncheon address at the Aircraft Electronics Association’s 2008 South Pacific meeting at the Novotel Palm Cove Resort near Cairns at 12.00 pm on Friday 14 November. I am happy to brief anyone at that time. Those interested might like to call me on 0408 640 221 or 02 9450 0600.
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For deity's sake, try reading the documentation before you shoot your keyboard off on here.
Where were you when your deity got us transponders in E paid for ex our own pockets? Searching for an article 12 perhaps
Go and have a read of the DOTARS comment re ADS-B and GNSS.
Your stance reminds me of a latter day King Canute. Try standing on the train line in front of the Spirit of Progress (quite an apt title, no?) and let us know how you go.
You know it is safe to rabbit on about ADS-B - because you know it IS going to happen. It's called technology. Does your crystal set tune to 121.5?
For deity's sake, try reading the documentation before you shoot your keyboard off on here.
Where were you when your deity got us transponders in E paid for ex our own pockets? Searching for an article 12 perhaps
Go and have a read of the DOTARS comment re ADS-B and GNSS.
Your stance reminds me of a latter day King Canute. Try standing on the train line in front of the Spirit of Progress (quite an apt title, no?) and let us know how you go.
You know it is safe to rabbit on about ADS-B - because you know it IS going to happen. It's called technology. Does your crystal set tune to 121.5?
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Probably many on here cannot make Cairns, so your notes on USA matters relevant to ADS-B will be welcomed either before or after your talk.
The ARC Report, which involved AOPA USA, was released on 26 September and no doubt generated a lot of interest. Given the conservative estimate of the cost to the USA aviation industry is USD $ 4.32 billion, we can probably expect many more interesting things to happen.
Probably many on here cannot make Cairns, so your notes on USA matters relevant to ADS-B will be welcomed either before or after your talk.
The ARC Report, which involved AOPA USA, was released on 26 September and no doubt generated a lot of interest. Given the conservative estimate of the cost to the USA aviation industry is USD $ 4.32 billion, we can probably expect many more interesting things to happen.
Try standing on the train line in front of the Spirit of Progress (quite an apt title, no?) and let us know how you go.
Spirit of Progress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
James Michael and Capn Bloggs, if you want to know what is actually happening in the USA from the information I received, it is quite simple – just give me a phone call (as many have) on 0408 640 221 or 02 9450 0600.
There is no way I am going to waste my time in giving the information to those who hide behind anonymity. For all I know, anonymous people on this post could be hand in hand with the Airservices management, whose remuneration is geared to the profits of Airservices – not to the interests of Australian aviation and air safety.
I have said before that I entirely support the requirement for anonymity in PPRuNe so frightened pilots can post important information that will further benefit Australian aviation. I certainly don’t support anonymity to talk about a scientific subject such as ADS-B. I am totally suspicious in this case that those who post anonymously have some sort of financial benefit to gain. In fact, I have very little doubt that many of them do.
There is no way I am going to waste my time in giving the information to those who hide behind anonymity. For all I know, anonymous people on this post could be hand in hand with the Airservices management, whose remuneration is geared to the profits of Airservices – not to the interests of Australian aviation and air safety.
I have said before that I entirely support the requirement for anonymity in PPRuNe so frightened pilots can post important information that will further benefit Australian aviation. I certainly don’t support anonymity to talk about a scientific subject such as ADS-B. I am totally suspicious in this case that those who post anonymously have some sort of financial benefit to gain. In fact, I have very little doubt that many of them do.
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I am totally suspicious in this case that those who post anonymously have some sort of financial benefit to gain. In fact, I have very little doubt that many of them do.
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Touched a nerve, did I Dick? 
I won't be taking you up on your phone call offer. My right ear has not recovered from the phone bashing it received from you over Airspace 2000 (Unicoms and Beepbacks, IIRC). I'm not going to risk the left. I might lose my medical!
So I guess the ADSB secrets will have to remain secrets for a little bit longer.
I won't be taking you up on your phone call offer. My right ear has not recovered from the phone bashing it received from you over Airspace 2000 (Unicoms and Beepbacks, IIRC). I'm not going to risk the left. I might lose my medical!
So I guess the ADSB secrets will have to remain secrets for a little bit longer.