ASL pass rates?
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ASL pass rates?
Anyone know why ASL (Aviation Services Limited) has stopped publishing their pass rates since March 2007? I thought they had to be accountable in these areas since the CAA has given them a monopoly? Also what keeps the examiners standardised in their "Objectivity"?
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It this what you mean? From the CASA annual report 06-07, Scroll down and you'll find the flight crew examination results table.
http://www.casa.gov.au/corporat/annu.../appendix3.htm
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Good lord!!! Have they been let lose in Aus now too?
As for the CAA stats, I'd be interested too. There seems to be a huge number of failures from one particular testing officer at the moment.
As for the CAA stats, I'd be interested too. There seems to be a huge number of failures from one particular testing officer at the moment.
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Heya Bombs. Looks like CASA and Assessment Services Ltd is a lot more open than our lot anyway!
Cloud clutter.
I guess the rogue examiner has prompted this post. It does seem unfair that the region has to suffer just because one examiner dosnt know his P of F. (Or maybe all the JAFA's really are that slow). Either way I think ASL needs to be kept accountable and publish their results... breaking them down into regional (or examiner) pass results.
What does everyone else think?
Cloud clutter.
I guess the rogue examiner has prompted this post. It does seem unfair that the region has to suffer just because one examiner dosnt know his P of F. (Or maybe all the JAFA's really are that slow). Either way I think ASL needs to be kept accountable and publish their results... breaking them down into regional (or examiner) pass results.
What does everyone else think?
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Yes, I would be interested in seeing a few of 'services limited' stats to see whats what....
We had a student fail his CPL just before Xmas for some very bizzare reasons on groundwork. Re-sat it today after minimal revision and the testing officer (vastly more experienced than the previous testing officer) said the candidate did very well indeed..... So where exactly are the goal posts meant to be? And could we please get all officers on the same song sheet before more people end up blowing 500 - 1000 slides (+ the aircraft) failing tests unnecessarily.
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We had a student fail his CPL just before Xmas for some very bizzare reasons on groundwork. Re-sat it today after minimal revision and the testing officer (vastly more experienced than the previous testing officer) said the candidate did very well indeed..... So where exactly are the goal posts meant to be? And could we please get all officers on the same song sheet before more people end up blowing 500 - 1000 slides (+ the aircraft) failing tests unnecessarily.
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I am afraid it is a losing battle fighting ASL on issues of consistancy. I provided many examples of differing flight tests to ASL, only to be told by the then chief of asl 'i can't comment as I dont have the details'. Just complete denial.
The older guys who have been with ASL for a while are great - fair and CONSISTANT!! Alot remains to be said about the current North/Waikato guy.
Good luck to those who continue to battle!
The older guys who have been with ASL for a while are great - fair and CONSISTANT!! Alot remains to be said about the current North/Waikato guy.
Good luck to those who continue to battle!
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Or maybe all the JAFA's really are that slow
I agree, there needs to be total disclosure by ASL of flight test pass rates from all regions, and some explanation given for what I'm picking would be a huge variance.
Do we have some law akin to the US freedom of information act? Surely statistical information held by a government agency should be freely available?
I may just have to get onto this one, it's been pissing me off for a while now...
In the mean time, how do we maintain altitude in a max rate turn? With elevator I here you say?
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"In the mean time, how do we maintain altitude in a max rate turn? With elevator I here you say? "
Yeeees, I remember hearing that little gem of knowledge a while back too.... If I didn't know better I'd say the dude is failing people purely for the sake of it in order to make a name for himself. Has to catch up with him sooner or later you would hope???
"Yeeees, I remember hearing that little gem of knowledge a while back too.... If I didn't know better I'd say the dude is failing people purely for the sake of it in order to make a name for himself. Has to catch up with him sooner or later you would hope???
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Ha Ha, Like you cloud i to have been watchin this situation develop with continuing interest/disgust. I cant believe he wasn't pulled out of testing within the first few months. But then again ASL is a monopoly company, masters at providing poor service!! more fails = more money. (or is that cynical?)
Having flown with this gentleman, and knowing a few others that have also been involved with teaching him in the past, we really were quite shocked at his appointment. His flying is below average at best, airmanship poor and yes the P of F. Would be nice if he could just get back to basics with the P of F Nobody doing this flying s@#t is interested in the 5 possible ways lift can be produced, just 1 is enough. And we have all heard the horror stories of his other out of left field questioning.
He has spent a long time in the New Zealand GA scene, and lets face it has no real experience to draw on, maybe no "Mana". In my opinion a testing officer should have seen it all, done it all to be able to test practically. This guy is by no means practical and we believe covers up his avg flying ability with theoretical cra#p.
There now I've got it off my chest as well. But maybe others with there experiences could document them in this forum and then send it off to ASL with all the other letters that go in about him
Where is the accountability? when will ASL be transparent so everyone can see it for what it is?
Having flown with this gentleman, and knowing a few others that have also been involved with teaching him in the past, we really were quite shocked at his appointment. His flying is below average at best, airmanship poor and yes the P of F. Would be nice if he could just get back to basics with the P of F Nobody doing this flying s@#t is interested in the 5 possible ways lift can be produced, just 1 is enough. And we have all heard the horror stories of his other out of left field questioning.
He has spent a long time in the New Zealand GA scene, and lets face it has no real experience to draw on, maybe no "Mana". In my opinion a testing officer should have seen it all, done it all to be able to test practically. This guy is by no means practical and we believe covers up his avg flying ability with theoretical cra#p.
There now I've got it off my chest as well. But maybe others with there experiences could document them in this forum and then send it off to ASL with all the other letters that go in about him
Where is the accountability? when will ASL be transparent so everyone can see it for what it is?
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Well ladies and gents, please feel free to join my campaign
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I've put the wheels in motion, but we need numbers. I'm not even sure why I care, it doesn't affect me directly, just hate hearing about this sort of injustice.
In the mean time, here's another little 'gem of knowledge':
Q. Why do we get a reduction in performance after an engine failure in a multi engine aircraft?
A. Because we have lost 50% of our thrust and had an approx 30% increase in drag.
No, it's got nothing to do with thrust, it's purely due to the increase in drag. 
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I've put the wheels in motion, but we need numbers. I'm not even sure why I care, it doesn't affect me directly, just hate hearing about this sort of injustice.
In the mean time, here's another little 'gem of knowledge':
Q. Why do we get a reduction in performance after an engine failure in a multi engine aircraft?
A. Because we have lost 50% of our thrust and had an approx 30% increase in drag.
No, it's got nothing to do with thrust, it's purely due to the increase in drag.
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Cloud cutter - I must surely know you as the examples you have given in your above posts were exactly the ones I was thinking of when typing my first post in this thread!
I have exchanged many an email with Brian Curruthers and Graham Guy during my time as an instructor, but got pretty much no where.
I have heard stories about when DH was doing his multi rating!
I have exchanged many an email with Brian Curruthers and Graham Guy during my time as an instructor, but got pretty much no where.
I have heard stories about when DH was doing his multi rating!
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Alrightie.
Its a rainy afternoon I might see if I get a reply from this complaint...
"To the General Manager.
Could you please provide the pass rates for the examinations you do. They have not been updated for over a year on your website. Also please provide the pass rates for each examiner to show some transparency in your standardisation between examiners.
Thanks"
Lets see if I get a reply like they promise on their web site.
Its a rainy afternoon I might see if I get a reply from this complaint...
"To the General Manager.
Could you please provide the pass rates for the examinations you do. They have not been updated for over a year on your website. Also please provide the pass rates for each examiner to show some transparency in your standardisation between examiners.
Thanks"
Lets see if I get a reply like they promise on their web site.
Don't get me started on ASL exam questions!
(Nav X-Track Question)
D1 = D2 = 30nm, what is heading must you turn to...
Didn't think that simultaneous equations were a prerequisite!
(Aerody)
Apparently increasing speed at a constant angle of bank does not reduce your rate of turn...
(Performace)
Apparently frost on your airframe does not increase your TOD, nore have an affect on stall speed!
So I guess next time I want to take off, I know that frost won't have any affect, and when doing an instrument approach I will be able to firewall the throttle and still come out of the turn at exactly the same time, and I only need 1 distance from a fix to work out my cross track error!
(Nav X-Track Question)
D1 = D2 = 30nm, what is heading must you turn to...
Didn't think that simultaneous equations were a prerequisite!
(Aerody)
Apparently increasing speed at a constant angle of bank does not reduce your rate of turn...
(Performace)
Apparently frost on your airframe does not increase your TOD, nore have an affect on stall speed!
So I guess next time I want to take off, I know that frost won't have any affect, and when doing an instrument approach I will be able to firewall the throttle and still come out of the turn at exactly the same time, and I only need 1 distance from a fix to work out my cross track error!
Meh, my question was more to do with their administration.
The worst one in my experience is ringing up and asking for a change of sitting date/time, then not being informed that the change is not available until after the original sitting, and being required to pay a new exam fee to sit the same exam! Their reason for not offering the exam for free/at a reduced price was that they "can't give exams away for free". I wasn't asking for an exam for free, I just wanted to change the time of the original, and I would have been happy to pay a transfer fee!
My other one was back in the day of PPL nav. The chart they provided was so distorted that the grid lines were noticably curved, with white areas in the corners of the chart, where the image had been distorted away. Try measuring an angle off a curved line with a square protractor accurately!
Great job ASL...
The worst one in my experience is ringing up and asking for a change of sitting date/time, then not being informed that the change is not available until after the original sitting, and being required to pay a new exam fee to sit the same exam! Their reason for not offering the exam for free/at a reduced price was that they "can't give exams away for free". I wasn't asking for an exam for free, I just wanted to change the time of the original, and I would have been happy to pay a transfer fee!
My other one was back in the day of PPL nav. The chart they provided was so distorted that the grid lines were noticably curved, with white areas in the corners of the chart, where the image had been distorted away. Try measuring an angle off a curved line with a square protractor accurately!
Great job ASL...
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