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From: sydney
mos33y
I would imagine your "degree" is not worth the paper it's written on buddy. How does a " degree" get you a licence to sit in the left hand seat.
ie. Airline Transport Pilot Licence. Your degree as a "VET" won't help you.
Do the subjects dude.
I would imagine your "degree" is not worth the paper it's written on buddy. How does a " degree" get you a licence to sit in the left hand seat.
ie. Airline Transport Pilot Licence. Your degree as a "VET" won't help you.
Do the subjects dude.
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From: Australia
sheeesh...
Aviation is still one of those industries with people who think getting a degree is easy (and subsequently worthless!!). It's usually those that have never done it.
In most other "professional" careers a degree is regarded as a demonstration that you have commitment to stay the course and are smart enough to take the info on board and process it properly to a high standard. I would say then that your degree certainly "IS" worth the paper its written on for the majority of employers, don't let anyone tell you differently
Someone said before "what do they want pilots!! or bloody academics!!" The smart employer would always want someone who is both, not just a bus driver.
There is no substitute for the ATPL's, get your head down, get into them and then you'll end up with a degree AND ATPLS!! That will certainly put you in good standing. Best of luck with it!!
In most other "professional" careers a degree is regarded as a demonstration that you have commitment to stay the course and are smart enough to take the info on board and process it properly to a high standard. I would say then that your degree certainly "IS" worth the paper its written on for the majority of employers, don't let anyone tell you differently
Someone said before "what do they want pilots!! or bloody academics!!" The smart employer would always want someone who is both, not just a bus driver. There is no substitute for the ATPL's, get your head down, get into them and then you'll end up with a degree AND ATPLS!! That will certainly put you in good standing. Best of luck with it!!
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From: NSW
thank your the advice boardpig, what you sat does make sence. I have worked real hard up to this point, a few atpl subject will not be as difficult as some of the other stuff i'v had to do for uni.
Triathlon,as boardpig has pointedout, you obviously have not been through the diciplines of a degree (vet or otherwise) to realise the hard work, commitment and determination required, not to mention the vast pool of knowledge that opens up to you - including management styles and CRM, which are both DEFINATELY what a skipper is required to be porficient on!!
Also mate, you should read the job requirements you are applying for a little bit more carefully in the future. Try the bit where it says "Having a degree is preferred".
FYI - i have studied aviation not vet
Triathlon,as boardpig has pointedout, you obviously have not been through the diciplines of a degree (vet or otherwise) to realise the hard work, commitment and determination required, not to mention the vast pool of knowledge that opens up to you - including management styles and CRM, which are both DEFINATELY what a skipper is required to be porficient on!!
Also mate, you should read the job requirements you are applying for a little bit more carefully in the future. Try the bit where it says "Having a degree is preferred".
FYI - i have studied aviation not vet
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From: Australia
Triathlon....surely not
Ok I can accept no degree....but no ATPL's.....bull!!!!!. Does say desirable but I know for a fact that they want you to have completed the ATPL's before entering the course. Do you know if he/she actually has been given the spot?
Anyone know how long they are doing this traineeship>?
Anyone know how long they are doing this traineeship>?
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From: sydney
If you read the minimum requirements CAREFULLY, you will see that ATPL subjects are preferred but not compulsory, no mention of having to be completed before course commencement. so there .
YOU KNOW FOR A FACT HEY?
YOU KNOW FOR A FACT HEY?
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From: Sydney
mos33y
I have an aviation degree and I taught the same aviation degree (both theory and flying) a few years later. I've also done charter and worked in a couple of airlines. I'm not the most experienced guy out there, nor do I pretend to be. You should do the same.
Your posts are an embarrassment for someone who is apparently educated - and especially for myself and others out there who most probably have the same degree as you (as well as experience), but don't think we're God's gift because of it. The fact you don't even understand what Krusty meant shows you have a long way to go in developing your mind. Learn to spell, learn to write and don't sit there spruking to the world how you think your degree will get you places because of some subjects you did. They will give you a starting to point, that's all. It's not a gold ticket to anywhere. Work hard, keep your head down and treat your degree as possible advantage under certain situations when applying for future jobs.
Also, swearing on a public forum is really just pathetic and asking to get banned. Good luck with that.
I have an aviation degree and I taught the same aviation degree (both theory and flying) a few years later. I've also done charter and worked in a couple of airlines. I'm not the most experienced guy out there, nor do I pretend to be. You should do the same.
Your posts are an embarrassment for someone who is apparently educated - and especially for myself and others out there who most probably have the same degree as you (as well as experience), but don't think we're God's gift because of it. The fact you don't even understand what Krusty meant shows you have a long way to go in developing your mind. Learn to spell, learn to write and don't sit there spruking to the world how you think your degree will get you places because of some subjects you did. They will give you a starting to point, that's all. It's not a gold ticket to anywhere. Work hard, keep your head down and treat your degree as possible advantage under certain situations when applying for future jobs.
Also, swearing on a public forum is really just pathetic and asking to get banned. Good luck with that.
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From: Wherever the hotel drink ticket is valid
Wind up alert
Guys - for once can we ignore the wind up?
If we were to assume that this guy is for real, Dragun has done a perfectly adequate job of shutting him down.
Assuming (as I do) that this is a wind up, then anybody else who chimes in hasn't the "sence" to assess their own knee-jerk reactions before hitting the keys.
By way of getting back on topic - if you were to get a call without an IR, I suspect the flight/sim check would be conducted in similar fashion to the QF Level 2 Cadet program - ie. a flight test to CPL standard including basic IF and UA recovery. Of course that's just speculation, but I can't see much point in conducting the normal sim ride for someone who has not been trained as an instrument pilot. Perhaps they will conduct flight testing in a GA aircraft???
If we were to assume that this guy is for real, Dragun has done a perfectly adequate job of shutting him down.
Assuming (as I do) that this is a wind up, then anybody else who chimes in hasn't the "sence" to assess their own knee-jerk reactions before hitting the keys.
By way of getting back on topic - if you were to get a call without an IR, I suspect the flight/sim check would be conducted in similar fashion to the QF Level 2 Cadet program - ie. a flight test to CPL standard including basic IF and UA recovery. Of course that's just speculation, but I can't see much point in conducting the normal sim ride for someone who has not been trained as an instrument pilot. Perhaps they will conduct flight testing in a GA aircraft???
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From: sydney
To Dragun and KRUSTY34 thankyou for your replies to this mos33y.
It seems he or she is a PPL student, who as you said Dragun, thinks his or her degree is a ticket to mainstream, or at the very least a job.... mmm... I think not. Lots of hard yards to be done yet.
To mos33y.
I find your acid tongue to be offensive, disrespectful and unprofessional. I hope this arrogant attitude of yours does not follow you into the cockpit and reveal its ugly head as poor airmanship.
We live in times where our profession is a thankless one from the people who we make money for.
It seems he or she is a PPL student, who as you said Dragun, thinks his or her degree is a ticket to mainstream, or at the very least a job.... mmm... I think not. Lots of hard yards to be done yet.
To mos33y.
I find your acid tongue to be offensive, disrespectful and unprofessional. I hope this arrogant attitude of yours does not follow you into the cockpit and reveal its ugly head as poor airmanship.
We live in times where our profession is a thankless one from the people who we make money for.
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From: Australia
No IR? ARRRGH
I'd be very interested to learn if they had reached the part of the list of guys with no IR, or indeed if they intend to take ANY. Not for a while yet I would have thought, but if anyone has been hooked with no IR, be great to hear from you.
BP.
BP.
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From: Dont even know
Gday Guys,
I just recieved the email for the sych and skills tests online. I have 300hrs TT MECIR and did not finish yr 12,, but am wondering from peoples experience so far is this the only skills tests we do or do they still hold them at qantas when you go for the interview?? Thanks
I just recieved the email for the sych and skills tests online. I have 300hrs TT MECIR and did not finish yr 12,, but am wondering from peoples experience so far is this the only skills tests we do or do they still hold them at qantas when you go for the interview?? Thanks
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From: Up there somewhere
I am a 200 hr CPL with MECIR and half ATPL's done, and haven't received any notice yet, must be down to somewhere between inverted7 and myself. Did finish year 12 and tertiary quals too, its going off flying experience only I'd say.
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From: Kununurra!
gee guys, stop fighting!!
sorrry i never replied but i have been somewhat preoccupied. I made it through the sim + interview round and as a result was offered a position in the program. That starts in melb march 10. I am not sure if i really want to reveal intimate details with regards to the interview though, that may not be seen as ethical and i dont want to compromise my position either! I will however say that the sim ride is pretty straight forward, just simple IF and the interview has some tough questions! Just for reference I have 700tt, MECIR and all ATPLs.
Good luck to you all!
sorrry i never replied but i have been somewhat preoccupied. I made it through the sim + interview round and as a result was offered a position in the program. That starts in melb march 10. I am not sure if i really want to reveal intimate details with regards to the interview though, that may not be seen as ethical and i dont want to compromise my position either! I will however say that the sim ride is pretty straight forward, just simple IF and the interview has some tough questions! Just for reference I have 700tt, MECIR and all ATPLs.
Good luck to you all!