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Yes guys they do (B200's) look like KFC flying boxes !
"Las" at the time there where clouds everywhere & the main game was to remain visual, aviate, navigate & communicate. Perhaps the twr man did advise the change of rwy but I most likely acknowledged it & still went ahead with that had been set in my mind from first contact. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but humans tend to only say that after the event ! I don't recall the rwy lights being on at the time.
Flightsuits are optional, but they do work better than the traditional monkey suit which is a sign of authority to the general public, a lot of our 'customers' find it comforting to see pilots & paramedics work as a team wearing jumpsuits
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"Las" at the time there where clouds everywhere & the main game was to remain visual, aviate, navigate & communicate. Perhaps the twr man did advise the change of rwy but I most likely acknowledged it & still went ahead with that had been set in my mind from first contact. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but humans tend to only say that after the event !
I don't recall the rwy lights being on at the time.Flightsuits are optional, but they do work better than the traditional monkey suit which is a sign of authority to the general public, a lot of our 'customers' find it comforting to see pilots & paramedics work as a team wearing jumpsuits
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Capt Wally, you are not the first to land on the wrong runway at YMMB, as a student solo, I followed a "professional" in a twin turbine thingy only to be told at the last minute to turn left and head back for 35R - the Professional landed on 31R. All the Tower said was "Oh well, it was a good landing".
Also had the pleasure, after three runway changes in 30 minutes of fluky wind changes, of going head to head with another aircraft on takeoff from 17R, seconds later the Tower saw him and there where frantic calls of "Break Right, Break Right".
Also had the pleasure, after three runway changes in 30 minutes of fluky wind changes, of going head to head with another aircraft on takeoff from 17R, seconds later the Tower saw him and there where frantic calls of "Break Right, Break Right".
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Likewise a mate of mine in his newly purchased twin, took us all for a joyride forgot to set the DG inbound and joined for 13R instead of 17R, straight through the circuit-much confusion and cursing!
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A friend did his NVFR or the big Class4 Instrument rating at YMMB in the 1970's and each of the major flying school's were allocated a night for circuits with no night circuits on a Saturday night.
He did his with Schutts who were allocated Monday night, and half the time the weather would be no good, so you would have to wait for the following Monday night.
He did his with Schutts who were allocated Monday night, and half the time the weather would be no good, so you would have to wait for the following Monday night.
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Stationair8:
Yep I do (noisy buggers) and the other one was VH-CLN.
I did my training at MB in '73 and you also failed to mention another couple of things that have disappeared or changed:
- the 04/22 grass runways;
- no GAAP contra-rotating circuits;
- the old control tower and briefing office;
- having to call MB Ground for taxi clearance;
- VFR Full Reporting and NOSAR/NO DETAILS;
- the run-up bays which in those days were located close to the runway 35/31 thresholds;
- large number of market gardens (instead of houses) surrounding the airport (it was very easy to find GMH then) and
-the lack of parking space for aircraft even on the grass.
Also Saturday mornings training in a Be23 on VDO and being number 11 waiting for takeoff! Then again, it was only $29 per hour dual; still a lot of money for a young goat in those days. Also no pilot headsets in training aircraft in those days: just the unbearable noise, hand signals from your instructor, the hand-held mic and the ability to guess correctly what the tower guy was saying to you (?)
Ah, those were the days!
Anyone remember the two D50 Twin Bonanza's that lived there in the 1970's,
VH-CLM was one of them.
VH-CLM was one of them.
I did my training at MB in '73 and you also failed to mention another couple of things that have disappeared or changed:
- the 04/22 grass runways;
- no GAAP contra-rotating circuits;
- the old control tower and briefing office;
- having to call MB Ground for taxi clearance;
- VFR Full Reporting and NOSAR/NO DETAILS;
- the run-up bays which in those days were located close to the runway 35/31 thresholds;
- large number of market gardens (instead of houses) surrounding the airport (it was very easy to find GMH then) and
-the lack of parking space for aircraft even on the grass.
Also Saturday mornings training in a Be23 on VDO and being number 11 waiting for takeoff! Then again, it was only $29 per hour dual; still a lot of money for a young goat in those days. Also no pilot headsets in training aircraft in those days: just the unbearable noise, hand signals from your instructor, the hand-held mic and the ability to guess correctly what the tower guy was saying to you (?)
Ah, those were the days!
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Yes as a young RPPL walking into the MB Briefing Office, heading of on that first big Navex. The guys always went out of their way to be helpful, trying to digest all that information.
I had a flick through the logbook, hired a C172 VH-RLG from RVAC in Feb 87 and a check flight with instructor W Chapel, while on a lunchbreak from Ron's theory class, must have been a bit short had to put in the old Bankcard that week.
I had a flick through the logbook, hired a C172 VH-RLG from RVAC in Feb 87 and a check flight with instructor W Chapel, while on a lunchbreak from Ron's theory class, must have been a bit short had to put in the old Bankcard that week.
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RLG probably the only thing changed is the price of hire and it has one of them new fangled GPS devices. I saw it on the Royal Vic flightline still think is the same colour, obviously somebodies pride and joy.
So Sunfish that is why they call you midas everything you touch you break?
So Sunfish that is why they call you midas everything you touch you break?
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Ahhhh Stationair8
I remember the Briefing Office, when I was learning at YMMB in the 80's those guys were excellent!!
And back then the circuits used to really busy as well, ah happy days.
9 years and I retire and will get to annoy the circuit at YMMB again!!
I remember the Briefing Office, when I was learning at YMMB in the 80's those guys were excellent!!
And back then the circuits used to really busy as well, ah happy days.
9 years and I retire and will get to annoy the circuit at YMMB again!!
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The old briefing office had the black and white aerial photo of Melbourne and suburbs on one wall.
You would be putting in your plan for your big Navex, next some old GA driver who putting his IFR plan
Also the airport fire service.
You would be putting in your plan for your big Navex, next some old GA driver who putting his IFR plan
Also the airport fire service.
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Ah stationair8, you better explain the word 'briefing' officers, a lot of youngins' in here have never had the pleasure of that fantastic service, now taken from us 'cause of that dirty phrase........user pays !
I'd like to shoot that turkey who coined that one !
The MB & EN briefing office where institutions for us "gringoes". I can recall slipping upstairs to the EN one in the early 80's where you could even get a free VTC. Once upon a time there was a fairy at the bottom of my garden whom I belived in, now it's been burried under all the work of the goody two shoes who slashed & burned a once great industry !
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I'd like to shoot that turkey who coined that one !The MB & EN briefing office where institutions for us "gringoes". I can recall slipping upstairs to the EN one in the early 80's where you could even get a free VTC. Once upon a time there was a fairy at the bottom of my garden whom I belived in, now it's been burried under all the work of the goody two shoes who slashed & burned a once great industry !
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Henry Bosch wrote the early to mid 80's Report that became the 'User Pays' mantra for subsequent governments of various colours.
A pox on that particular policy.............................
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A pox on that particular policy.............................
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Well capt Wally.
You have got me thinking now of my great times at MB, started out with Southern Air services, many a good friday night party there with instructors like Malins, Smith just to name a few, then tried the comms with Mansell Smith, not getting all with him, went to Tony Roberts to continue, Met with Mal Glover and Ian Mcdonald, what bloody fantastic nights were had at the old Combined Flying school building, did IFR with the guru Steve Pearce at Bini's, in the middle of that Having the great man himself John Lindsay doing my Comm Licience and Instructor rating, a few years with Schutts on the SEC all over the state,Doing the ATPL with Noel at Generals, yes they were great times, I myself was down at MB about 8 weeks ago and you are correct at least the house of Lies is still there, I am sure with different stories told compared to ours, you could even have a chat with the fire guys under CASA office above briefing.Its all differnet now
You have got me thinking now of my great times at MB, started out with Southern Air services, many a good friday night party there with instructors like Malins, Smith just to name a few, then tried the comms with Mansell Smith, not getting all with him, went to Tony Roberts to continue, Met with Mal Glover and Ian Mcdonald, what bloody fantastic nights were had at the old Combined Flying school building, did IFR with the guru Steve Pearce at Bini's, in the middle of that Having the great man himself John Lindsay doing my Comm Licience and Instructor rating, a few years with Schutts on the SEC all over the state,Doing the ATPL with Noel at Generals, yes they were great times, I myself was down at MB about 8 weeks ago and you are correct at least the house of Lies is still there, I am sure with different stories told compared to ours, you could even have a chat with the fire guys under CASA office above briefing.Its all differnet now
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Now children Briefing Officers were men and woman employed by DCA/DOT/DOTAC/CAA, to provide flight-planning assistance to pilots from rookie to ATPL level. They would supply you with the ARFOR and TAF for your flights, Notam information, provide us mere ppl's with help in flight planning, best way to get through busy airspace etc, a marvelous system.
But like all good things people like to want to change it, so Mr Hawke got his friend MR Bosch(nothing to do with spark plugs) to look into cost recovery as a forerunner to airline deregulation. MR Hawke also had a close friend who run an airline at the time. A young four eyed purveyor of cheap imported electronics goods also got involved as well and in the early 1990's we saw the demise of the Flight Service Officer, the friendly and helpful Briefing Officer and the mass closure of the Flight Service Unit,
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RIP YMMB Briefing Office and all those that served us lowly humble PPL's
But like all good things people like to want to change it, so Mr Hawke got his friend MR Bosch(nothing to do with spark plugs) to look into cost recovery as a forerunner to airline deregulation. MR Hawke also had a close friend who run an airline at the time. A young four eyed purveyor of cheap imported electronics goods also got involved as well and in the early 1990's we saw the demise of the Flight Service Officer, the friendly and helpful Briefing Officer and the mass closure of the Flight Service Unit,
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RIP YMMB Briefing Office and all those that served us lowly humble PPL's
And the old control tower has long since replaced by the more modern architecture. The old one was where Jock the Garden(er) CFI of Civils climbed up to carry on a "dispute" with the encumbant ATC bloke over a claimed disregard of an ATC instruction. Except this time the ATC was really riled and ready for Jock and jobbed him as he opened the door..
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Remember the 2 CAA FOI's that started the G100 below the tower at MB and made it inoperative as they took about 20 mins to get their s@#t together and complete their after start checks............MB towers/ground and even the poor old atis were drowned out by those vvvvvvvvvnoisy garretts...........The crew, even after giving their 1st taxi call and hearing only their engine noise when tower tried transmitting to them, had no idea what was going on?????? Until one of the tower guys come down and gave them the hand signal to........F@#$ O%% 