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Old 10th Nov 2007, 03:07
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V Australia-Tell me it aint true! (Merged Thread)

Please let me be wrong!!!!!!!!
Anyone in the know that the new 777 training manager for this operation has just paid for his own endorsement?
After how many years at VB?????
Secondly, are the yarpies liking the sound of a command for $156000.
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Ya, I must tell you, it is all true. Will they now be know as Varpies?

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Anyone in the know that the new 777 training manager for this operation has just paid for his own endorsement?

After how many years at VB?????
What's the chance it's a cunning ploy.

One of the bosses pays for the endorsement, thereby setting the stage for all others to have to follow suit. If he hadn't paid for it then there might be a case for others not to have to pay.

Is it possible he is getting ex gratia payments to cover his "expenses"?
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I suspect some will think this is a Jetblast topic, but when I look at the reporting on the current pilot shortage in Australia, V Australia offering 156K (or is it 168K? – whatever; both are a bloody insult) for a wide body international captain AND see the thread that the Virgin Training Manager is paying for his own endorsement onto the 777, I can’t help but feel – very strongly – that it’s very much an Australian Aviation topic.
‘The Australian’ 9 November, page 7
(Headline) Hawke strokes ALP’s fire in Howard’s seat
“Thank you, fellow union thugs,” was how Bob Hawke began an impassioned speech…. Mr Hawke… told an adoring crowd that Mr Howard’s campaign was built around two lies. The first was that the union movement was evil. “No institution has given more reality to the concept of a fair go,” Mr Hawke said.
This from the man who oversaw and gloried in the destruction of unionised labour in the Aviation industry eighteen years ago at the bidding of a “mate”? Incredibly, the vast majority of Australians – and the Australian media - have such a short memory that no one puts the question to Hawke to ask him why unionism is such a good thing now, when he, the ex leader of the ACTU, forced pilots to enter into individual contracts (shades of ‘Work Choices’) and would not allow pilots to be represented by their union.
Look no further that this sorry excuse for a man if you want to lay the blame for the current sorry state of affairs in our industry.
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Please correct me if I am wrong. I thought the Training Manager was a new guy...not from within VB ranks? If it is true that he has paid for a rating..then am I to conclude there was not ONE Australian with 777 experience that wanted or was deemed suitable for the job?
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Either that, or they went down the seniority list untill they found someone so desperate for a managerial position, that they willingly "bent over" to become part of the club!

Actually, just kidding. It is more probable that the job went to a qualified outsider. But one has to ask. If it did go to a qualified outsider, why the need to buy an endorsement in the first place? One would think that if DJ were to go down that path, extensive 777 experience would be a requirement? So many questions????

Then again.... see paragraph 1?
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You a right Krusty..everytime a question is answered it creates more questions..it will be interesting to get all the FACTS laid out.

Spad, I could not agree more.
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OR, it could be a wind-up??

Ever thought of that?
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Spad.

Why is....

156K (or is it 168K? – whatever; both are a bloody insult)


Three times the median national wage and comparable to salaries paid for similar positions in other developed countries......
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Air Ace, was this a typo did you mean underdeveloped countries, if not to which countries other than Aus/NZ are you referring?
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Err which developed country pays a 777 Captain A$160 000? US176 000?

Easy Jet/RyanAir pay their 737 captains more than that!

Any airline in the USA would pay more for a 777 captain!!

While it's a alot of money in anyone's language Australian pilots do tend to be on the lower end of the scale.

However you do have to consider cost of living, Forex and tax in the equation which makes it an impossible thing to compare country to country
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Air Ace, I'd be guessing he means as opposed to what almost every other 777 operator pays its captains.

There are quite a few people over here in the Sandpit who've expressed an interest in either going home, (or, in the case of the South Africans and Zims here, establishing a home for themselves in Godzone through the V Australia job), but I suspect that very few of them, after doing their sums, and particularly if they have school-aged children, will find they are willing to suffer such a large pay cut just to come to Australia.

(However, if the USD continues to go down the gurgler at its current rate, $A168,000 might start to look half way do-able!)
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A$160 000? US176 000?
Nev, I think you mean A$160 000 US148 000

No, I don't believe it either!!

Now Spad,

The former National Secretary of WHICH industrial organisation was instrumental in setting up the company offering this insult?
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Old 10th Nov 2007, 18:31
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Aussies in V Australia

These guys are going to have to be real careful they don't end up with a SAFA mafia running the show, as is the case in some other companies. If V Australia hires to many more south africans into management the VB Capt's that transfer over may end up being the only Aussies working for V Australia.
It's more than a little suspect that the Dir of Op's and now the Training manager are both SAFA's, and neither has any experiance on type.
I know for sure that one of the other guys that applied for the position was the 777 training manager at EK for 5 years, with 12 years Chk and Tng on type, AND AN AUSSIE!!!!
It's dishearting as an Aussie pilot working over seas to see Aussie airlines would rather try and find cheap overseas pilots, rather than pay a little extra to try and enchourage some of the experianced aussie pilots overseas to come home. Virgin were only too keen to reduce the 737 salary by 20% for guys going onto the jungle jets because it's a smaller plane. What a surprise that they're now not willing to apply the same logic to salaries when it's going the other way.
Looks like it will be a long time before I will be able to afford to take a job back in Australia!

The wait continues,

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Old 10th Nov 2007, 21:18
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ahhh...MonsterC01,

The answer was right in front of me...

Cheap, O'seas labour! how else could you explain a training manager with no experience on type!!!

That's if it is true of course?
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Old 10th Nov 2007, 23:03
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I think you will find the chap is a Technical Manager, not training. His agreement with V Australia would be anyones guess, but I'm sure he will not be out of pocket. Salaries for the domestic VB Fleet Captains start at a base of $170k so the cash for a B777 will not be less than that surely? If it is you are quite right, who in hell would want it.
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Old 11th Nov 2007, 01:34
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I still find it interesting that most of the guys up top in VB are ex 89 and are the guys making these decisions, ie Pay for type rating and work for less than going rate.


But as usual there are guys lining upto to work for thses T & C.
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Where exactly are these supposed T&Cs published? As usual not much fact and all speculation is running rife. Anything less than 220K and there will be not many takers but that is speculation not fact.
Also currently there are only two management captains from the 89 era all of the rest had nothing to do with it so you can throw that one out the door as a conspiracy theory.
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While it's a alot of money in anyone's language Australian pilots do tend to be on the lower end of the scale.
Correct.Australian pilots do tend to always getting the shite end of the stick.
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Yes

Australian pilots historically have failed to do research, and have trained in droves for a few available jobs. They did it to GA, and now they are doing it to airlines.
The end result is a chronic oversupply, and erosion of salaries, starting before 89.
Will it turn around? It hasn't yet. The demand has increased, but the erosion seems to be continuing, and it seems there are still surplus pilots. Just not as many as they are used to. Some fixes are in place and more are gearing up.
The pilot group are still speculating. I see no solid research into future supply and demand.

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