V Australia-Tell me it aint true! (Merged Thread)
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If VA is to employ 42 Captains for the first aircraft (as has been suggested) and three (perhaps) of them are Australian Permanent Residents with Australian ATPs and heaps of wide body / long range experience who unfortunately happen to have recently immigrated to Australia is this such a big deal / wrong????
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YES!!!!
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YES!!!!
Gnadenburg - that post does not even warrant a response and probably came close to being censored
OK.
So the VOZ business will be quarenteened from DJ in case it fails. probably prudent given the level of investment. What happens to the DJ pilots who jump ship for a 777 gig if it goes t!ts up?
Will they be offered their old jobs back, and redundancies occur in reverse order of seniority? Will the been counters have the final say and simply cut them loose? Will everybody have the same rights in this regard, or will some be protected more than others.
Lots to think about guys and girls!
So the VOZ business will be quarenteened from DJ in case it fails. probably prudent given the level of investment. What happens to the DJ pilots who jump ship for a 777 gig if it goes t!ts up?
Will they be offered their old jobs back, and redundancies occur in reverse order of seniority? Will the been counters have the final say and simply cut them loose? Will everybody have the same rights in this regard, or will some be protected more than others.
Lots to think about guys and girls!
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It just shows the typical mentality of this forum that people think it is going to fail even before it starts, and the fear mongering!!!
And to the SA guys good luck if you can get it, because most people in this world would take what ever they could get, if it was better than what they have where ever it is.
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And to the SA guys good luck if you can get it, because most people in this world would take what ever they could get, if it was better than what they have where ever it is.
GL
Gnadenburg - that post does not even warrant a response and probably came close to being censored
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"It just shows the typical mentality of this forum that people think it is going to fail even before it starts, and the fear mongering!!!"
It's not a matter of whether people think, or want something to fail. The very fact that DJ has been firewalled from VOZ would indicate that there is some risk. So to be prepared to risk your own livelihood and the future of your family (yes some of us do have wives and children), to jump out of a secure position, without at least satisfying yourself that you were covered to a reasonable extent?
Well, draw your own conclusions.
"It just shows the typical mentality of this forum that people think it is going to fail even before it starts, and the fear mongering!!!"
It's not a matter of whether people think, or want something to fail. The very fact that DJ has been firewalled from VOZ would indicate that there is some risk. So to be prepared to risk your own livelihood and the future of your family (yes some of us do have wives and children), to jump out of a secure position, without at least satisfying yourself that you were covered to a reasonable extent?
Well, draw your own conclusions.
Jobs to South America
Some of you may find it interesting that a South American with no ties to Australia, who hasn't flown the B777 recently has been called three times for an interview.
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I thought we were cutting back on African immigration?
Social problems, riots etc.
And what? Now they will be flying our aircraft?
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I think that you will find that the South African pilots being considered for employment will merge into the community very easily. The only real difference between THEM and US is that their ancestors got off the boat in Capetown whereas ours remained on board until Sydney.
Forgive me if I'm incorrect but didn't a previous Australian government support the import of foreign pilots to crew domestic operations here? If so, then "they will be flying our aircraft" is nothing new.
Social problems, riots etc.
And what? Now they will be flying our aircraft?
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I think that you will find that the South African pilots being considered for employment will merge into the community very easily. The only real difference between THEM and US is that their ancestors got off the boat in Capetown whereas ours remained on board until Sydney.
Forgive me if I'm incorrect but didn't a previous Australian government support the import of foreign pilots to crew domestic operations here? If so, then "they will be flying our aircraft" is nothing new.
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VB created PacBlue as seperate company (for more reasons than just brand rights), along with Virgin Tech for its maintenance...both are still operating. The big V will do just fine
Latest info is they've made contact with 600 pilot applicants so far, must be a decent workforce in that?
Latest info is they've made contact with 600 pilot applicants so far, must be a decent workforce in that?
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So to be prepared to risk your own livelihood and the future of your family (yes some of us do have wives and children), to jump out of a secure position, without at least satisfying yourself that you were covered to a reasonable extent?
God help me I might not even pass the interview!! Then what will I do??? HELP!!
As to the wallabies, they have the world cup and I really wouldn't want any yarpie supporting them, although I do have many SA friends they are tired of the political bumfight the SARU has become.
Chr!st almighty globallocal! It's got nothing to do with fear mongering.
I wasn't saying not to look at this or any other position. Indeed if you are planning a step up, you would be crazy not to consider it. What I said, if you read my post with a little more care, was that to move from a secure (and yes I take your point that nothing is 100%) position then you would be well advised to at least try and cover your arse.
If VOZ are offering 4/7ths of the command slots to existing DJ Captains, then those DJ command positions will have to be replaced, and the vacated F/O positions and so on...... If something goes wrong with VOZ, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the problem. So whether VOZ and DJ are seperate entities or not, a link between the 2 companies will be established. To move from one to the other without some form of indication of where you stand within the Virgin organisation would be wishfull thinking at its worse.
So please do not lecture me about sacrifice and risk taking. Like most on this forum I have endured my fair share, and after 23 years in the game I do not think it unreasonable that people should at least seek clarification to what they are letting themselves in for.
I wasn't saying not to look at this or any other position. Indeed if you are planning a step up, you would be crazy not to consider it. What I said, if you read my post with a little more care, was that to move from a secure (and yes I take your point that nothing is 100%) position then you would be well advised to at least try and cover your arse.
If VOZ are offering 4/7ths of the command slots to existing DJ Captains, then those DJ command positions will have to be replaced, and the vacated F/O positions and so on...... If something goes wrong with VOZ, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the problem. So whether VOZ and DJ are seperate entities or not, a link between the 2 companies will be established. To move from one to the other without some form of indication of where you stand within the Virgin organisation would be wishfull thinking at its worse.
So please do not lecture me about sacrifice and risk taking. Like most on this forum I have endured my fair share, and after 23 years in the game I do not think it unreasonable that people should at least seek clarification to what they are letting themselves in for.
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I don't have a copy of the EBA, but I thought they were required to offer 4/7 of the positions to DJ pilots. I don't wish to be a doom and gloom merchant but I didn't understand that to translate to 4/7 command positions, just 4/7 of total 
So by the time they offer FO and SO positions and a few CPT's from management slide across, will there be much left for DJ CPT's? 
As to the SA contingent, I don't think most would object to new immigrants getting jobs. But given that a DEC with V Oz is arguably the second best job in the local industry after a QF LH CPT, if they think they (or Aussie expat 777 drivers for that matter) can come in and take those positions without treading on a few toes, they have to be deluded. That is just an observation, not a comment about whether it is right or wrong.
So by the time they offer FO and SO positions and a few CPT's from management slide across, will there be much left for DJ CPT's? As to the SA contingent, I don't think most would object to new immigrants getting jobs. But given that a DEC with V Oz is arguably the second best job in the local industry after a QF LH CPT, if they think they (or Aussie expat 777 drivers for that matter) can come in and take those positions without treading on a few toes, they have to be deluded. That is just an observation, not a comment about whether it is right or wrong.
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Its 4/7ths of the command slots to existing VB Capts. The Deed only mentions available command slots in VOz and the corresponding current VB Capts who wish to chase them. There is mention only of current FO's within VB being offered opportunities after discussions between VOz and the AFAP (holding my breath.....NOT), no actual figures like the skippers.
Its 4/7ths of the command slots to existing VB Capts. The Deed only mentions available command slots in VOz and the corresponding current VB Capts who wish to chase them. There is mention only of current FO's within VB being offered opportunities after discussions between VOz and the AFAP (holding my breath.....NOT), no actual figures like the skippers.
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My friend called to rub it in that his interview with V Aus was 'sometime' in March... I think that's about the best that anyone is getting at the moment..
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My maths for 4/7ths of first 7 B777's is very few VB Cpts on first 3 then increase in VB Cpts next 4 B777's. So can't see too many interviews for VB guys this year.
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He has in excess of 7000hrs, flew for BA in the past, good amount of Command M.C. time. Most of his time in European Jets. Believe he's applied for both F/O and S/O positions.
Another mate pranked me the other day re: V Oz interview, had me convinced that I was the next one in! Just glad it wasn't on radio
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Another mate pranked me the other day re: V Oz interview, had me convinced that I was the next one in! Just glad it wasn't on radio
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