Kiwi pilot shortage

[Bongo Bus Driver]

The numbers I quoted above do not include Air NSN, Airwork, Vincents or Air National. And I think those numbers are only the ALPA members that have moved but I am not quite sure on this one.
From the senority list published Feb this year Air Nsn has lost 12 pilots that I know about.
4 to Air NZ
4 to PAC Blue
3 to Jet Con
1 not quite sure were they went.
Though the numbers do not appear to be great it certainly feels like alot of movement when you compare it to past years. Lets hope it continues

[SkySurfin]

Bongo is correct, those numbers show only the movement from Eagle and Mount Cook. I can confirm Jetconnect has taken on 30 pilots this year to date. FACT, I went through the list, they have also just awarded commands to people who have been in the company for less than 2 years, no preivous jet experience. The new intakes come from Air Nelson, Eagle, Airwork, Vincent. Then there has been a lot coming from overseas- Australia, Dubai, Africa, Indo. Thats just Jetconnect, and as CC said there was at least 20 who have started at Pac Blue. Add to that Air New Zealand have given starts to around 30 with another 8 or so likely before the end of the year. Nearly 100 jet jobs for the year.....not bad.

Remoak please spare me with the smart comments, im just providing the facts for people, hopefully for encouragment maybe..... I cant be biffed with any more of the personal stuff. Alright....... Best of luck to all those guys hoping to crack a jet job in NZd, and good luck to the guys in GA hopefully the hour requirements will move soon at the regionals.

Thats me signing out of this thread...... Im more than happy to answer pms regarding JC recruitment. Cheers

[6080ft]

remoak - I think there is probably quite a few people out there reading your posts and wondering what the hell is up your ass?

I am trying to think of words that describe your attitude!

[iceblock]

remoak - I think there is probably quite a few people out there reading your posts and wondering what the hell is up your ass?

Definately only single digits, nothing over 10.


(Pure jest of course, I couldn't resist......)

[remoak]

I am trying to think of words that describe your attitude!

Need help with that, do you?

Cloud Cutter

While that comment wasn't specifically directed at me, the fact that you routinely try to wind me, and others up, would infer that you consider us all to be idiots, no? (You’re not the only one who can twist people's words).

The words "some" and "all" are mutually exclusive.

some of the negative comments and put downs you come up with here put rather a large dampener on any positive impact you are making

Yeah well tell that to some of the people I have hired... I doubt they would agree with you. And I am not trying to make a positive impact, I'll leave that to those of you who need your egos stroked. I am simply arguing against discrimination in the workplace that has no basis in any reasonable metric. But you are obviously OK with that, so, well, vive le difference I guess. Many Kiwi pilots will be fine with it because it works in their favour. However, I'll bet you wouldn't be quite as dismissive if they were discriminating against gays or some other minority.

but it can be hard take a joke when you feel like you're banging your head against the wall trying to get a break.

Anyone who has that much trouble managing a little humour has chosen the wrong career. If starting at the bottom of aviation and working your way up causes you that much stress, take up flower arranging or something.,,

[Cloud Cutter]

Who is discriminating against expats or foreigners? Have you listened to anything we've said? They're walking into all sorts of positions and are measured by the same standards we all are. Surely you're not still going on about this silly Air Nelson thing? Air Nelson is not worth arguing about, I'm sure there is the odd airline in the UK that uses discriminative hiring practices. I just don't see your point. Don't judge our whole industry by some silly clause on one little company's application form.

Anyway, I feel like I'm flogging a dead horse, so I'll leave you to your infinite correctness.

Oh, and 'some' and 'all' are most certainly not mutually exclusive when used in that context.

Good day.

[kiwi chick]

Cloud Cutter, my friend

Anyway, I feel like I'm flogging a dead horse,

From reading this thread, many would assume that this is all us Kiwi's are good for

[Cloud Cutter]

Yes, we poor, idiotic kiwis. Ah well, to the glue factory! Plenty of dead horses to go round

[horserun]

I have to say Im loving this thread!!

Usually have to go look at the Fragrent Harbour group to see a ST fight.

Cheers Cloud Cutter for the advise! your a top man!

My 2cents: I Love NZ!!
I will never earn as much here as overseas, but I still live like a god.
the beach......5 min walk
work.............5 min drive
family............1 hour drive
ski field..........3 hour drive
mates............5 min drive (most)
town.............3 min drive
pubs..............5 min drive (20 min walk.....1 hour if Im really pissed)


I have some friends in CH who could probably do better than that though.

[toolowtoofast]

sounds like The Mount.....

[kiwi chick]

...or Wairoa...


as she grabs hat, coat & KY in search of the esteemed glue factory

[Cloud Cutter]

KY!?!

Stop it you filthy tart, those poor horses

[horserun]

See what I mean...Could be most places in NZ!!!!
Try saying that Europe or Asia.

[remoak]

Air Nelson is not worth arguing about

That's pretty funny actually, because when I mentioned it back on page one, you immediately jumped in and gave me a hard time. So apparently it IS worth arguing about!

I'm sure there is the odd airline in the UK that uses discriminative hiring practices

No. Illegal.

Don't judge our whole industry by some silly clause on one little company's application form.

Haven't you been listening to a thing I have been saying? I already explained, many times, that I don't. Although they do represent an endemic culture.

Anyway, you clearly have difficulty in following an argument in a logical and reasoned fashion, so I'll leave you to your glue factory visit. Do be careful of the rendering vats... and Kiwi Chick. I think she wants to have your babies...

[kiwi chick]

No more babies for Kiwi Chick. Doesn't mean she doesn't need the practice but. Couldn't find the glue factory but my mate owns a dairy farm.



(I didn't realise you knew him too, Cloud?)

Found this too, just need to find the right place to post it - any suggestions?

[Cloud Cutter]

Ooh, I think it would look great as remoak's personal title

Let me pull myself from the flogging for just a second...

remoak, that's been done to death, mostly by you. Air Nelson is the only airline with any such requirement, and most of us agree it is dumb and serves no constructive purpose.

Is that what you're talking about? In comparison to this:

Surely you're not still going on about this silly Air Nelson thing? Air Nelson is not worth arguing about

Now I concede I'm not blessed with your godlike linguistic skill, but to me the former seems like a concession rather than an argument. What I was arguing about is your use of the same little gripe as basis for every single debate of this type, when the fact is, most pilots will not come back to NZ looking to fly a turboprop, and what Air Nelson does is neither here nor there.
I have far too much time on my hands.

Right, where's my whip....

[Cpt Link Hog]

....Ahh a base in the Mount I live in hope....Wairoa gotta love that place in an easterly; now there's a thought NZ best pie's, Mob retirement captial, cheap property... could be a new EAG base....Base Cpt Remoak?

[remoak]

Nah... present gig way too much fun!

[slamer.]

Since May this year ANZ has taken on 42 new-hires, more to come.

[FL440]

Hey Remoak,
i Can see that your trying to help all these Kiwis here with your genuine honesty here, so why not tell us who you work for and how many people you have given their first big job in the last 12 months......then we really will be able to understand... and compare.
ps Did you say you were hiring for 146? you mean those planes with 4 engines.....oooooooh....i always wanted to fly something purely on an APU..

Ps did you go through more engines than new pilots last year....hehe


Sorry didnt want to have a 'personal attack' on you, so thought id give you grief about what you fly instead.
Maybe those 146 fumes in the cabin have gone to your head?