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"pprune traffic Charlie Tango Kilo c172 is approximately 14 miles to the south east of the field 3000 feet with intensions to track to the field and join left hand down wind for a touch and go then vacate on the crosswind to hamilton climbing 2500feet Charlie Tango Kilo C172 Pprune Traffic"
If you can get used to making ten million calls that sound like that, then im sure there great!
No offence CTC but my god some of the radio calls are hilarious
on a sid "control CTK 2000feet 3000feet on Buden 1"
control "say again, your both levels?"
i had to laugh
If you can get used to making ten million calls that sound like that, then im sure there great!
No offence CTC but my god some of the radio calls are hilarious
on a sid "control CTK 2000feet 3000feet on Buden 1"
control "say again, your both levels?"
i had to laugh
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haha FL440 i like it!
it is funny how the repeating of rego and local traffic started after that vector article a couple of years ago!
I notice no one in the south island does it thank god!
it is funny how the repeating of rego and local traffic started after that vector article a couple of years ago!
I notice no one in the south island does it thank god!
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FL440,
I'm glad to hear that you RT is, and always has been, perfect.... particularly all the way through your training.
However, I'd rather hear a RT transmission that is too long than not hear one at all. I lost count of the number of times flying round NZ that aircraft have appeared in circuit traffic/over the field/right in front of me without having the mind to make a radio call to let other traffic aware of their whereabouts.
Of course, you're not one of those pilots.
M330
I'm glad to hear that you RT is, and always has been, perfect.... particularly all the way through your training.
However, I'd rather hear a RT transmission that is too long than not hear one at all. I lost count of the number of times flying round NZ that aircraft have appeared in circuit traffic/over the field/right in front of me without having the mind to make a radio call to let other traffic aware of their whereabouts.
Of course, you're not one of those pilots.
M330
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Mon330,
What you need to realize (which you probably already do) is that GA in NZ is a small and variable feast.
CTC cadets (of which you were one...have you posted your ballot paper?
) are trained to operate over here..with the emphasis on making your transition into a type rating as smooth as possible.
Uncle Bill in his RV6, might only fly twice a month...he might only fly in the local area..he might also not flown in controlled airspace for 10 years.
Not ideal, but thats life.
BTW, cadets in NZ are viewed with a mixture of amusement/suspicion/envy, so don't be surprised that some of the procedural radio work, and perceived arrogance is a source of amusement.
Enjoy your next Male'
What you need to realize (which you probably already do) is that GA in NZ is a small and variable feast.
CTC cadets (of which you were one...have you posted your ballot paper?
) are trained to operate over here..with the emphasis on making your transition into a type rating as smooth as possible.Uncle Bill in his RV6, might only fly twice a month...he might only fly in the local area..he might also not flown in controlled airspace for 10 years.
Not ideal, but thats life.
BTW, cadets in NZ are viewed with a mixture of amusement/suspicion/envy, so don't be surprised that some of the procedural radio work, and perceived arrogance is a source of amusement.
Enjoy your next Male'
I lost count of the number of times flying round NZ that aircraft have appeared in circuit traffic/over the field/right in front of me without having the mind to make a radio call to let other traffic aware of their whereabouts.
I think FL440 was trying to make a point about unnecassary verbal diarrhoea that occurs when some pilots use the radio. CTC are not the only ones.
I take your point about unannounced arrivals at an airfield and if the aircraft is fitted with a radio it should be used, and the pilot making the appropriate calls. Last time I looked it was not a requirement for an aircraft to have a radio when operating at an unattended airfield outside on an MBZ. VFR flying is see and be seen, which mean not relying on the radio for your lookout.
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Monarch a330 - Sorry, it wasnt a Dig at them, and i applaud their correctness, they are obviously trained in radio work terms very well, i just find it amusing when their one a discrete frequency...ie one that doesnt exist anywhere else and they still keep saying the "pprune traffic c172" at the end 
Its a bit of fun, but as you say they do a good job and its not hard to understand what they are doing, however when their on a discrete frequency and they keep saying what they are doing, every 30 seconds its sometimes hard for someone to get a word in and let them know what they are doing Just a wee point!
Agreed also, CTC are not the only monkeys, its like the "lining up runway 21" ok what else are you going to line up on? a time? an altitude? I Know its "correct" but hey, sometimes cutting out the "bull" goes along way in a busy professional environment!
Never said My RT was perfect, my comments were not directed as an insult at them, more a brighter side of it, as opposed to your direct comment at me as to my 'perfectness' never said i was?? did i?? hmmmm no i didnt.
I can assure you, even though i dont care what you personally think of my standard etc that i have never arrived into a circuit at any airfield unanounced as you put it! That would be poor!
If your from CTC or past CTC dont take it as an insult, i was just pointing out a bit of a laugh, and as others have said there are many worse, because they go on forever and dont actually make any sense, at least the CTC guys make some sense!!
Its a bit of fun, but as you say they do a good job and its not hard to understand what they are doing, however when their on a discrete frequency and they keep saying what they are doing, every 30 seconds its sometimes hard for someone to get a word in and let them know what they are doing
Just a wee point!Agreed also, CTC are not the only monkeys, its like the "lining up runway 21" ok what else are you going to line up on? a time? an altitude? I Know its "correct" but hey, sometimes cutting out the "bull" goes along way in a busy professional environment!
I'm glad to hear that you RT is, and always has been, perfect.... particularly all the way through your training.
However, I'd rather hear a RT transmission that is too long than not hear one at all. I lost count of the number of times flying round NZ that aircraft have appeared in circuit traffic/over the field/right in front of me without having the mind to make a radio call to let other traffic aware of their whereabouts.
Of course, you're not one of those pilots.
However, I'd rather hear a RT transmission that is too long than not hear one at all. I lost count of the number of times flying round NZ that aircraft have appeared in circuit traffic/over the field/right in front of me without having the mind to make a radio call to let other traffic aware of their whereabouts.
Of course, you're not one of those pilots.
I can assure you, even though i dont care what you personally think of my standard etc that i have never arrived into a circuit at any airfield unanounced as you put it! That would be poor!
If your from CTC or past CTC dont take it as an insult, i was just pointing out a bit of a laugh, and as others have said there are many worse, because they go on forever and dont actually make any sense, at least the CTC guys make some sense!!
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Cloudhigh,
I trained with CTC. I was one of the two Kiwi guys they trained on the Wintec 2005/06 diploma course.
Having not trained with any other flight training organisation I can't speak on behalf of them but the training I received at CTC was very very good. But as with everything, it is what you make of it, eh? Some of the instructors I flew with in my time there were probably some of the best in NZ. One was ex-RAF fighter pilot, one has gone on to become an ASL examiner, others into Eagle.
The drawn-out radio calls are some of the british cadets trying to sound intellectual and professional... some of them tend to try too hard every now'n'then...
More info pm me if you wish.
I trained with CTC. I was one of the two Kiwi guys they trained on the Wintec 2005/06 diploma course.
Having not trained with any other flight training organisation I can't speak on behalf of them but the training I received at CTC was very very good. But as with everything, it is what you make of it, eh? Some of the instructors I flew with in my time there were probably some of the best in NZ. One was ex-RAF fighter pilot, one has gone on to become an ASL examiner, others into Eagle.
The drawn-out radio calls are some of the british cadets trying to sound intellectual and professional... some of them tend to try too hard every now'n'then...
More info pm me if you wish.
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haha that CTC guy that went to ASL - he managed to make friends by telling a candidate on a B cat flight test - that you maintain height in a max rate turn by pulling back. Um hello? arn't we already at max CL anyway?!!!
You maintain height in a max rate by varying aob.
It was argued until the candidate was blue in the face, and he failed.
ah well you win some you lose some!
You maintain height in a max rate by varying aob.
It was argued until the candidate was blue in the face, and he failed.
ah well you win some you lose some!
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Bugger. That's a bit rough.
123567, I think that if you are instructing there (B-cat or above) there is a possibility they put you thru some of the JAR Licensing/Testing/Rating in the interests of flight examination of their british cadets. Don't quote me tho.
123567, I think that if you are instructing there (B-cat or above) there is a possibility they put you thru some of the JAR Licensing/Testing/Rating in the interests of flight examination of their british cadets. Don't quote me tho.
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Hey can you tell me more about CTC, esp on how the student loan has been for you?
If you could reply to my email that would be much appreciated
[email protected]
Thanks
Cade
If you could reply to my email that would be much appreciated
[email protected]
Thanks
Cade
Originally Posted by 27/09
Just like I've lost count of the number of totally useless radio calls to "XXX" traffic when the aircraft is no where close to, and not even likely to get close to, that airfields circuit area. A waste of breathe and clutters up the frequency.
I think FL440 was trying to make a point about unnecassary verbal diarrhoea that occurs when some pilots use the radio. CTC are not the only ones.
I take your point about unannounced arrivals at an airfield and if the aircraft is fitted with a radio it should be used, and the pilot making the appropriate calls. Last time I looked it was not a requirement for an aircraft to have a radio when operating at an unattended airfield outside on an MBZ. VFR flying is see and be seen, which mean not relying on the radio for your lookout.
I think FL440 was trying to make a point about unnecassary verbal diarrhoea that occurs when some pilots use the radio. CTC are not the only ones.
I take your point about unannounced arrivals at an airfield and if the aircraft is fitted with a radio it should be used, and the pilot making the appropriate calls. Last time I looked it was not a requirement for an aircraft to have a radio when operating at an unattended airfield outside on an MBZ. VFR flying is see and be seen, which mean not relying on the radio for your lookout.
But as 27/09 alludes to, they are certainly not the only ones. When two local pilots use the Class G frequency to have a conversation about their evenings drinking arrangements, I feel like reaching across the ether and knocking some sense into them.
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When you're training newbies it's better to go over the top with correctness, they've got the rest of their lives to get lazy with R/T.
And it's definitely better than all the hillbilly PPL's out the east coast using 121.5 as their personal chat channel
And it's definitely better than all the hillbilly PPL's out the east coast using 121.5 as their personal chat channel
