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Old 27th Jul 2007, 04:43
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Cool CTC Hamilton

Anyone flown at CTC hamilton? Been looking into them and wouldn't mind some feedback from the general aviation public eh!
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Old 27th Jul 2007, 06:37
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Do you want to fly with them.... or for them???
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Old 28th Jul 2007, 05:03
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Smile CTC

Umm train with them. Maybe later for them. Just want to know what their training is like. Sorry should of been more precise
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Old 28th Jul 2007, 05:36
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"pprune traffic Charlie Tango Kilo c172 is approximately 14 miles to the south east of the field 3000 feet with intensions to track to the field and join left hand down wind for a touch and go then vacate on the crosswind to hamilton climbing 2500feet Charlie Tango Kilo C172 PPRuNe Traffic"

If you can get used to making ten million calls that sound like that, then im sure there great!

No offence CTC but my god some of the radio calls are hilarious

on a sid "control CTK 2000feet 3000feet on Buden 1"
control "say again, your both levels?"

i had to laugh
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Old 28th Jul 2007, 08:19
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haha FL440 i like it!

it is funny how the repeating of rego and local traffic started after that vector article a couple of years ago!

I notice no one in the south island does it thank god!
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Old 28th Jul 2007, 09:12
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FL440,

I'm glad to hear that you RT is, and always has been, perfect.... particularly all the way through your training.

However, I'd rather hear a RT transmission that is too long than not hear one at all. I lost count of the number of times flying round NZ that aircraft have appeared in circuit traffic/over the field/right in front of me without having the mind to make a radio call to let other traffic aware of their whereabouts.

Of course, you're not one of those pilots.

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Old 28th Jul 2007, 09:22
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Mon330,

What you need to realize (which you probably already do) is that GA in NZ is a small and variable feast.
CTC cadets (of which you were one...have you posted your ballot paper? ) are trained to operate over here..with the emphasis on making your transition into a type rating as smooth as possible.
Uncle Bill in his RV6, might only fly twice a month...he might only fly in the local area..he might also not flown in controlled airspace for 10 years.
Not ideal, but thats life.

BTW, cadets in NZ are viewed with a mixture of amusement/suspicion/envy, so don't be surprised that some of the procedural radio work, and perceived arrogance is a source of amusement.
Enjoy your next Male'

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Old 28th Jul 2007, 09:29
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I lost count of the number of times flying round NZ that aircraft have appeared in circuit traffic/over the field/right in front of me without having the mind to make a radio call to let other traffic aware of their whereabouts.
Just like I've lost count of the number of totally useless radio calls to "XXX" traffic when the aircraft is no where close to, and not even likely to get close to, that airfields circuit area. A waste of breathe and clutters up the frequency.

I think FL440 was trying to make a point about unnecassary verbal diarrhoea that occurs when some pilots use the radio. CTC are not the only ones.

I take your point about unannounced arrivals at an airfield and if the aircraft is fitted with a radio it should be used, and the pilot making the appropriate calls. Last time I looked it was not a requirement for an aircraft to have a radio when operating at an unattended airfield outside on an MBZ. VFR flying is see and be seen, which mean not relying on the radio for your lookout.
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Old 28th Jul 2007, 09:34
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cloud high.

To answer your question.

Their trainng is no better and no worse than most other places you may wish fly at.
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Old 28th Jul 2007, 10:39
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Monarch a330 - Sorry, it wasnt a Dig at them, and i applaud their correctness, they are obviously trained in radio work terms very well, i just find it amusing when their one a discrete frequency...ie one that doesnt exist anywhere else and they still keep saying the "pprune traffic c172" at the end
Its a bit of fun, but as you say they do a good job and its not hard to understand what they are doing, however when their on a discrete frequency and they keep saying what they are doing, every 30 seconds its sometimes hard for someone to get a word in and let them know what they are doing Just a wee point!

Agreed also, CTC are not the only monkeys, its like the "lining up runway 21" ok what else are you going to line up on? a time? an altitude? I Know its "correct" but hey, sometimes cutting out the "bull" goes along way in a busy professional environment!

I'm glad to hear that you RT is, and always has been, perfect.... particularly all the way through your training.

However, I'd rather hear a RT transmission that is too long than not hear one at all. I lost count of the number of times flying round NZ that aircraft have appeared in circuit traffic/over the field/right in front of me without having the mind to make a radio call to let other traffic aware of their whereabouts.

Of course, you're not one of those pilots.
Never said My RT was perfect, my comments were not directed as an insult at them, more a brighter side of it, as opposed to your direct comment at me as to my 'perfectness' never said i was?? did i?? hmmmm no i didnt.

I can assure you, even though i dont care what you personally think of my standard etc that i have never arrived into a circuit at any airfield unanounced as you put it! That would be poor!

If your from CTC or past CTC dont take it as an insult, i was just pointing out a bit of a laugh, and as others have said there are many worse, because they go on forever and dont actually make any sense, at least the CTC guys make some sense!!

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Old 29th Jul 2007, 05:56
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Cloudhigh,
I trained with CTC. I was one of the two Kiwi guys they trained on the Wintec 2005/06 diploma course.
Having not trained with any other flight training organisation I can't speak on behalf of them but the training I received at CTC was very very good. But as with everything, it is what you make of it, eh? Some of the instructors I flew with in my time there were probably some of the best in NZ. One was ex-RAF fighter pilot, one has gone on to become an ASL examiner, others into Eagle.
The drawn-out radio calls are some of the british cadets trying to sound intellectual and professional... some of them tend to try too hard every now'n'then...

More info pm me if you wish.
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Old 31st Jul 2007, 06:58
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haha that CTC guy that went to ASL - he managed to make friends by telling a candidate on a B cat flight test - that you maintain height in a max rate turn by pulling back. Um hello? arn't we already at max CL anyway?!!!
You maintain height in a max rate by varying aob.
It was argued until the candidate was blue in the face, and he failed.

ah well you win some you lose some!
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Old 31st Jul 2007, 07:55
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just wondering if you can do the JAR exams at CTC?
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Old 31st Jul 2007, 07:57
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Bugger. That's a bit rough.
123567, I think that if you are instructing there (B-cat or above) there is a possibility they put you thru some of the JAR Licensing/Testing/Rating in the interests of flight examination of their british cadets. Don't quote me tho.
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Old 6th Jul 2011, 01:20
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CTC

Hey can you tell me more about CTC, esp on how the student loan has been for you?
If you could reply to my email that would be much appreciated
[email protected]

Thanks
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Old 8th Jul 2011, 00:08
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Originally Posted by 27/09
Just like I've lost count of the number of totally useless radio calls to "XXX" traffic when the aircraft is no where close to, and not even likely to get close to, that airfields circuit area. A waste of breathe and clutters up the frequency.

I think FL440 was trying to make a point about unnecassary verbal diarrhoea that occurs when some pilots use the radio. CTC are not the only ones.

I take your point about unannounced arrivals at an airfield and if the aircraft is fitted with a radio it should be used, and the pilot making the appropriate calls. Last time I looked it was not a requirement for an aircraft to have a radio when operating at an unattended airfield outside on an MBZ. VFR flying is see and be seen, which mean not relying on the radio for your lookout.
I remember reading in my PPL texts that you are not required to make a position and intentions call to an uncontrolled airfield if you are more than 1000 feet higher than the circuit height when you pass over. Some overseas readers may not realize that NZ only has 1 frequency for it's extensive areas of Class G airspace (MBZ and CFZ's not withstanding) and on fine days it can get quite busy, so comm brevity and using it only when needed are quite important considerations.

But as 27/09 alludes to, they are certainly not the only ones. When two local pilots use the Class G frequency to have a conversation about their evenings drinking arrangements, I feel like reaching across the ether and knocking some sense into them.
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Old 8th Jul 2011, 01:15
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When you're training newbies it's better to go over the top with correctness, they've got the rest of their lives to get lazy with R/T.

And it's definitely better than all the hillbilly PPL's out the east coast using 121.5 as their personal chat channel
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