KIWI pilots moving to Australia
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KIWI pilots moving to Australia
With the abundance of pilots i new zealand why are there not more kiwi pilots moving to aus where they are struggling to fill the planes with drivers?
Its a good move if only for a few years.
Its a good move if only for a few years.
There are plenty of Kiwi guys shifting across with the Tasman Agreement and recognition of licences.
There aren't that many more jobs here in oz vs nz than you think. If you look at the amount of new pilots / low time guys here in oz and compare it to the amount of going jobs, I think you'll find the ratio isn't that much different than nz
There aren't that many more jobs here in oz vs nz than you think. If you look at the amount of new pilots / low time guys here in oz and compare it to the amount of going jobs, I think you'll find the ratio isn't that much different than nz
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Fair comment but i think that there is more jobs over here as there is not alot of pilots being put through fling schools to fill the gaps. NZ at the moment is a bit like a meet works when t comes to producing pilots espeacially the big schools like mot and international flight academy. But i suppose its like anything you have to be in the right place at the right time no matter where u are.
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So thats why most the training schools are struggling to find flight instructors and alot of trainingschools in NSW have closed down due to lack of students. The meat factories you talk about mainly train asian students for big companies like FTA and singapore flying college, theres not even half a dozen unis that do a course that train cpls.
Ok then, argue with me all you want. If you don't mind me asking, what is your background? Are you an instructor/student? Fresh CPL or experienced GA/RPT pilot?
If you already know all the answers then why are you asking the questions?
If you already know all the answers then why are you asking the questions?
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Well we got a bit of from my question. But yeah im a instructor and found it easily to get a job over here and encourage people to come over and do the same. What bout you whats ur background?
I am only asking to see what point of view you are looking at it from.
I'm helo background, but mixed it with all the fixed wing boys. Did the guernsy out in the NT for a while, short stint in NZ and elsewhere, now mil with the hope to finish the RAN/RAAF pilots course at pearce (fixed wing, back to helo's early next year).
What I am getting at, it is just as hard to get the first break over here as it is in NZ. It's not the promised land for the first job in AU like I overheard many of the guys finishing their CPL's in NZ make it out to be.
I'm helo background, but mixed it with all the fixed wing boys. Did the guernsy out in the NT for a while, short stint in NZ and elsewhere, now mil with the hope to finish the RAN/RAAF pilots course at pearce (fixed wing, back to helo's early next year).
What I am getting at, it is just as hard to get the first break over here as it is in NZ. It's not the promised land for the first job in AU like I overheard many of the guys finishing their CPL's in NZ make it out to be.
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Dont think they would be struggling to find crews in oz. but im sure that the requirement for 500multi PIC could prove a headace for more than a few oz operators (hence percieved shortage), Most guys are in the NZ regionals with about 200multi.
There is probably a surplus of fresh CPLs but thats about it, the NZ regionals are finding the GA pool slowly drying up (guys with Part 135 twin time) and are themselves importing OZ GA pilots with more experice than half the captains have.
I would move to OZ for a jet job (and better looking women, climate etc etc) but the T&C's are at best no better than here.
There is probably a surplus of fresh CPLs but thats about it, the NZ regionals are finding the GA pool slowly drying up (guys with Part 135 twin time) and are themselves importing OZ GA pilots with more experice than half the captains have.
I would move to OZ for a jet job (and better looking women, climate etc etc) but the T&C's are at best no better than here.
If I read another PPrune thread correctly the new Maryborough, Qld. international flight college, Flight Training Queensland, is to have a number of import Kiwis' as flight instructors. This probably comes about as a result of not being able to get enough instructors here in Australia. Indeed Flight Training Adelaide, also part of the Flight Training group. is having to sponsor instructor training in order to get enough instructors
And why cannot enough instructors of the right level be found in Australia?
I think that that was summed up in an article the I saw in Australian Aviation magazine (?) recently when it said that pay and conditions had not encouraged people to get into the flying training system here in Australia. I have to agree with that and it seems that employers still do not get the message.
The GA pilots award is a bottom level safety net. It is not as if someone wants to get into flying training as a career because there are good dollars, prospects and work conditions to want to aim for. Instructing has long been considered the hour building game that helps you get the tickets to assist to get you into better paid and more secure airline flying.
In short if you pay peanuts you get monkeys (or no starters).
The day that employers start to pay real money (taking into consideration the length of training, the cost involved and the risks involved (no general insurance if you fly for example)) and vastly improve the conditions then people will aspire to be flying training instructors as a career and not a short term pass time.
And why cannot enough instructors of the right level be found in Australia?
I think that that was summed up in an article the I saw in Australian Aviation magazine (?) recently when it said that pay and conditions had not encouraged people to get into the flying training system here in Australia. I have to agree with that and it seems that employers still do not get the message.
The GA pilots award is a bottom level safety net. It is not as if someone wants to get into flying training as a career because there are good dollars, prospects and work conditions to want to aim for. Instructing has long been considered the hour building game that helps you get the tickets to assist to get you into better paid and more secure airline flying.
In short if you pay peanuts you get monkeys (or no starters).
The day that employers start to pay real money (taking into consideration the length of training, the cost involved and the risks involved (no general insurance if you fly for example)) and vastly improve the conditions then people will aspire to be flying training instructors as a career and not a short term pass time.
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Pretty soon they won't even have enough to be the next Aussie state!
We will have to make them a territory, instead of Sydney maybe we can move all the pollies to Invercargill...
We will have to make them a territory, instead of Sydney maybe we can move all the pollies to Invercargill...
