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Old 24th Apr 2007, 12:46
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Aviation Degree = 3 or more years of training in the fine Aussie art of beer drinking.

You learn in spite of uni...
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sunny liverpool.

Sunny,

Look at the core subjects, their descriptions and the subjects that would best suit you later in life.

Griffith Uni:

Offers a Bachelor of Science with Aviation as an addition. The majors are the likes of Physics, Chemistry and Applied Mathematics which would certainly give you a greater depth of knowledge and allow you greater flexibility if aviation does not work out. However it would be a lot more demanding.

Uni of SA

Mainly Aviation oriented, however the two Physics units don’t cover Thermodynamics which I believe is a must for a better understanding of Gas Turbines, Internal Combustion Engines and Meteorology and instead they include topics like Quantum Physics and Atomic Physics in their Aviation Physics 2N unit. Also two units on Aircraft Microprocessors is a bit over the top. If you want to cover those sort of subjects better to do it at Griffith.

Swinbourne Uni:

Certainly not ranked amongst the best university in town, however I believe it runs the best undergraduate aviation course in the country. Read the description of each unit. I wouldn’t touch their Masters Aviation programme. Better to do the MBA’s offered at Melbourne University or Monash.
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Old 25th Apr 2007, 02:19
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Griffith Uni: Offers a Bachelor of Science with Aviation as an addition.
Incorrect.

Previously that was the case but for several years now, this has been a stand alone degree.

I completed a Bachelor of Aviation in 2003.
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Old 25th Apr 2007, 05:15
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my first choice now is Swinburne in Melbourne

my agent has asked for me, the flying cost total is AUD$65000 last year

and annual fee is usually around AUD$18000

is it worth to take the course?
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Old 25th Apr 2007, 06:55
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Having looked at Griffith Uni, yes they do have an undergraduate degree in aviation, tells you when I last looked. They also have Griffith Aviation English and Griffith Aviation English Plus, which you may consider looking at, depending on your standard of English. What flying schools are they tied too? That’s a question you need to ask.

The Swinbourne course I believe is still better, the only downside being that the flying school that they are aligned with is the most expensive at Moorabbin. Having said that, I believe all their flying instructors are graduates and all their aircraft relatively new.

I would also suggest that you check with the Hong Kong authorities to see whether they would recognize the Australian license done at any one school. I know of at least one Asian civil aviation authority that will only recognize the Australian license if done at a particular flying school, in fact they basically apply UK conversion terms to obtain their license otherwise one needs to sit for their theory exams on returning home.

You need to do a bit of home work; by the way several flying schools will try and sell you a 200 hour course when in fact you can do a 150 hour integrated course, which would save you thousands. I know quite a few young pilots who did the 200 hour course and were not told about the integrated course.

Best of luck.
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Old 25th Apr 2007, 11:11
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Swinburne not good enough?

or too expensive?
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Old 25th Apr 2007, 13:08
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but they do prove that you have the ability to apply yourself and commit to many hours of study to achieve your qualification. A degree says more about a persons character than their intelligence.
Passing the ATPL subjects surely is equal to passing a degree in aviation?
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Old 25th Apr 2007, 13:49
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A Bachelor of Aviation Degree is not highly regarded when compared to other undergraduate degrees but is infinitely better than having no degree. An ATPL is about Year10 level of achievement, perhaps a British ATPL or JAR license could be accessed as of a tertiary level.
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Old 25th Apr 2007, 15:20
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MBA, I wouldn't say that even the British or JAR ATPL would be a degree-level qualification, although probably about the TAFE diploma or advanced diploma level. Thinking of which, I think some of the flying courses are now classified as diploma in aviation or something like that here, are they not?

But then I'm not really a believer in the value of an aviation degree in terms of improving one's chance of getting a flying job in Australia (no idea about Hong Kong though) anyway. Then, if someone has interest in aviation and in nothing else, and wants a degree, it would be a good thing to have.
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Passing the ATPL subjects surely is equal to passing a degree in aviation?
Not by a long shot!

ATPL takes about 4 weeks to complete, and consists of 7 multi-choice exams.

Degree takes considerably longer to complete due to the amount of study and research required.

There are 3 exams each semester if doing full-time study, and these are NOT multi-choice.

There are small assignments that are required each week, and there is at least one 2000-2500 word assignment per subject required each semester.

Then, if someone has interest in aviation and in nothing else, and wants a degree, it would be a good thing to have.
I guess I probably do fit into this category.
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Sunny Liverpool,

You should take into account quality of life issues when choosing your Uni.

Sunny Melbourne stands head and shoulders above all other cities in Aus.

Cheers,

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Let's come up,

I may choose Swinburne finally...

In the end, I only interest in aviation and won't regret!

But my family is now making the decision when i should go

because it is tto hurry to go in July as all the documents must be prepared before mid-May.

Cheers!
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Diatryma

You're terrible Muriel!
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Old 26th Apr 2007, 02:35
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Diatryma don’t mislead this guy, Mellbourne is only the second to Tasmania in having the worst flying weather for training in the country. Sunny you need to do some research for yourself.

In Melbourne you will loose a lot of days for flying due to weather. When you arrive in July it will be cold and wet and will be so until November. Taking into consideration that your coming from Hong Kong in the middle of summer to the middle of winter in Melbourne you will find it takes some adjusting.

Melbourne is a nice place, HOWEVER bearing in mind the weather which you are not used to, your lack of English skills, you may be better of to go to Griffith in Brisbane. Queensland winters are superb and the summers are very similar to what you are accustomed to.
It also appears Griffith have the facilities in the Griffith Aviation English and Griffith Aviation English Plus to cater for your obvious lack of English. If your English is not up to standard you will have great difficulty understanding the radio, thus making your flying training more difficult and more expensive.
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Old 26th Apr 2007, 02:46
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MBA747,

"Diatryma don’t mislead this guy"

Sorry - it's amazing how important a comma can be!

I'll try again:

"Sunny, Melbourne stands head and shoulders above all other cities in Aus"

I was not trying to suggest our weather is the best!!!!

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Old 26th Apr 2007, 11:53
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my friend told me that Griffith is the most expensive flying school in the world
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Old 27th Apr 2007, 16:12
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Thumbs down

no, he is a pilot of cathay pacific
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Old 27th Apr 2007, 23:23
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how about canada university
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 01:41
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why uni

mate do ourself a favour!!!

save the money and get some decent training (hope not to affend)

....dont go and do it at a uni!

if u want to be an airline pilot and it may look good that u have a degfree ...but what is that degree... (cpl> nvfr>theory) exactly the same outcome...and insteasd youll pay double and it will take you 3 years instead of one!
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How about Perth?

Have a look at this website http://www.waaviationcollege.com.au/ they offer a one year advanced diploma course which will get you from zero hours to CPL. You will also sit and (hopefully) pass the ATPL and IREX exams in that time frame too.
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