Air NZ Interviews
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Ya, this is the problem.
The previous case in point.
Someone who wanted to fly from day one, worked his butt off to get to their dream VS someone who had no idea of what to do, went to Uni 'cause thats what their friends did and then thought that this real world is too hard best I go flying!
What do you have to do to get through to these guys?
Surely some of the highly experienced chaps on the interview panel reading these posts can work something out?
Hrs + Exp VS nothing + degree ??
Or you could move to the Middle east so helen (lower case on purpose) doesn't get your $$$$
The previous case in point.
Someone who wanted to fly from day one, worked his butt off to get to their dream VS someone who had no idea of what to do, went to Uni 'cause thats what their friends did and then thought that this real world is too hard best I go flying!
What do you have to do to get through to these guys?
Surely some of the highly experienced chaps on the interview panel reading these posts can work something out?
Hrs + Exp VS nothing + degree ??
Or you could move to the Middle east so helen (lower case on purpose) doesn't get your $$$$
Hey guy's.
Being on the inside looking out I can understand your frustration and annoyance at a process that seems illogical. I've been in your position and felt the very same feelings.
Yes some mates get rejected when "others" get accepted and some can not even get an interview.
As a line captain I think the selection guys get it right 99% of the time. The guys with degrees are bloody good pilots and great guys to sit next to, just like the guys described by Split Flap.
Don't get hung on this degree stuff, because it's only one of many qualifications that are looked at.
Good luck!
Sid
Being on the inside looking out I can understand your frustration and annoyance at a process that seems illogical. I've been in your position and felt the very same feelings.
Yes some mates get rejected when "others" get accepted and some can not even get an interview.
As a line captain I think the selection guys get it right 99% of the time. The guys with degrees are bloody good pilots and great guys to sit next to, just like the guys described by Split Flap.
Don't get hung on this degree stuff, because it's only one of many qualifications that are looked at.
Good luck!
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So go out and get a degree. You can gets points awarded for atpls etc you can do it extramurially and part time. How many times over a nightstop have you p*ssed about looking on Trademe when you could have polished off that degree in 18 to 24 months.
It isn't difficult and the older you get the harder the study becomes, and you can get it underway by applying and getting credits and updating with air NZ telling them you're already well on the way through.
So may bleeding heart stories on here, what happened to the good old days when people rolled up their sleeves and got the job done.
It isn't difficult and the older you get the harder the study becomes, and you can get it underway by applying and getting credits and updating with air NZ telling them you're already well on the way through.
So may bleeding heart stories on here, what happened to the good old days when people rolled up their sleeves and got the job done.
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Not saying that the guys that do make it thru are not good guys, and I think overall the selection chaps do a pretty good job. Just a little disapointing, that, with out a degree/schooling/extra qualification it seems that you are precluded from an interveiw no matter how much experience you have.
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There must be more to this degree thing!!
I know of lots of people getting interviews without a degree, they usually have 3000 odd hours and a command on something beech sized, or are F/Os on a Dash or ATR.
Then there are boys and girls who have 5000 plus hours, also no degree, and air nz wont touch them.
There must be something else to this points system!!
Personally I think they just put your name in a hat, and then pull a few names out at random....
I know of lots of people getting interviews without a degree, they usually have 3000 odd hours and a command on something beech sized, or are F/Os on a Dash or ATR.
Then there are boys and girls who have 5000 plus hours, also no degree, and air nz wont touch them.
There must be something else to this points system!!
Personally I think they just put your name in a hat, and then pull a few names out at random....
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SID, I don't doubt for a second that the guys/girls who you fly the line with are generally a pretty competent and decent bunch...the Air NZ drivers I know, certainly match that description.
I think the key point is here that the percieved benefit of a degree/university education is misplaced and given undue weight as an indicator of a candidates aptitude; moreover, the system of pilot training in NZ is such that a degree is the exception, rather than the norm.
Given the opportunity if I were employing flightcrew, my main criteria would be, (other than the obvious motor skills and relevant experience) can I sit next to this person for 14hrs? and can I be reasonably confident that I wouldn't want to kill them by the end of it
Personally, the situation matters little to me, other than, feeling a sense of empathy for the frustration that many perfectly capable individuals must feel as they are effectively excluded due an arbritary and wholly meaningless (in a flightcrew environment) requirement.
Air NZ, and its recruitment policies are a mystery to many, and yet, pretty well understood for what they represent in terms of the Airline wishing to keep a certain level of prestige attached to gaining a position with the national carrier......ultimately however it comes down to supply and demand, so we will see how long the weighting lasts.
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I think the key point is here that the percieved benefit of a degree/university education is misplaced and given undue weight as an indicator of a candidates aptitude; moreover, the system of pilot training in NZ is such that a degree is the exception, rather than the norm.
Given the opportunity if I were employing flightcrew, my main criteria would be, (other than the obvious motor skills and relevant experience) can I sit next to this person for 14hrs? and can I be reasonably confident that I wouldn't want to kill them by the end of it
Personally, the situation matters little to me, other than, feeling a sense of empathy for the frustration that many perfectly capable individuals must feel as they are effectively excluded due an arbritary and wholly meaningless (in a flightcrew environment) requirement.
Air NZ, and its recruitment policies are a mystery to many, and yet, pretty well understood for what they represent in terms of the Airline wishing to keep a certain level of prestige attached to gaining a position with the national carrier......ultimately however it comes down to supply and demand, so we will see how long the weighting lasts.
I have a WELL placed spy on the inside
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I've noticed that too. Sometimes this degree thing seems to be used an as excuse when what the company is really saying is, you're too old, but we can't say that because it's against the law. Or for some other reason, they don't like someone, but rather than telling them the real reason, along comes the old degree requirement.
Who knows what really goes on behind the scenes, but the simple fact is there are not enough suitably qualified and experienced pilots with degrees to fill all Air NZs slots in the long term, so there will be plenty without them that get interviews.
I've noticed that too. Sometimes this degree thing seems to be used an as excuse when what the company is really saying is, you're too old, but we can't say that because it's against the law. Or for some other reason, they don't like someone, but rather than telling them the real reason, along comes the old degree requirement.
Who knows what really goes on behind the scenes, but the simple fact is there are not enough suitably qualified and experienced pilots with degrees to fill all Air NZs slots in the long term, so there will be plenty without them that get interviews.
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On Guard,
I know of at least 1 Eagle skipper who has a Nov interview with AirNZ. Not sure of actual date but it is in Nov.
Not sure if it would Nov 2, as that would make it back-to-back interviews for the panel (next interview group attending this coming weekend)
S2K
I know of at least 1 Eagle skipper who has a Nov interview with AirNZ. Not sure of actual date but it is in Nov.
Not sure if it would Nov 2, as that would make it back-to-back interviews for the panel (next interview group attending this coming weekend)
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Heaps more jobs than ANZ out there.... EVA, CX, QF and loads more around Asia where you wont have to pay for a rating! FYI, I was accepted into ANZ without a degree, so I dont know what the deal is there..... 
look further than NZ, dont buy your job and save some bucks for beers! Good luck!
look further than NZ, dont buy your job and save some bucks for beers! Good luck!
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Can you buy type ratings in Air NZ or iss that what Freedom Air is for? Is it true that if you buy a rating with Freedom you can get into Air NZ through the 'backdoor'? Do you need the same requirements?
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Last I heard you still dont.
O'seas is fine if youre single and youngish.
Bit harder if youre established in NZ.
And I thought that under the NZ labour laws a company has to tell you the reason that you failed, if asked.......
O'seas is fine if youre single and youngish.
Bit harder if youre established in NZ.
And I thought that under the NZ labour laws a company has to tell you the reason that you failed, if asked.......
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Backdoor via Freedom
Rightfrontwheel,
the path of buying a type-rating for freedom and then getting into AirNZ is long closed. Freedom and AirNZ A320 drivers were merged a year or two ago into Zeal320, the operating company for AirNZ's airbus fleet. Now all pilots are taken from internal transfers from AirNZ's main fleet group.
You cannot be employed direct by Freedom anymore, and you cannot enter direct onto the A320 with Air NZ, all new entrants are either Longhual S/O's or B733 F/O's.
PS "Freedom" as a AirNZ LCC brand is to disappear early 2008 and all trans-tasman flights are to be AirNZ flights, as well as dropping a few unprofitable Freedom routes like Palmy - OZ and maybe Dunners to OZ.
S2K
the path of buying a type-rating for freedom and then getting into AirNZ is long closed. Freedom and AirNZ A320 drivers were merged a year or two ago into Zeal320, the operating company for AirNZ's airbus fleet. Now all pilots are taken from internal transfers from AirNZ's main fleet group.
You cannot be employed direct by Freedom anymore, and you cannot enter direct onto the A320 with Air NZ, all new entrants are either Longhual S/O's or B733 F/O's.
PS "Freedom" as a AirNZ LCC brand is to disappear early 2008 and all trans-tasman flights are to be AirNZ flights, as well as dropping a few unprofitable Freedom routes like Palmy - OZ and maybe Dunners to OZ.
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Thanks Sqwauk 2000. So would i get into Air nz if I had a type rating on one of their planes? Ie 320, 321, 767, 747, 777. Sorry,,,, would I be given preferential treatment if I got a rating? Would it be better to get a rating within Air NZ? Do they mind where I got it? What are the average hours entrants have when entering ANZ?
How long would it be to a commnd on a wide boy? Am I better to go to Emirates or Cathay for time to command? Pay? Conditions?
Is it true you are a S/o for about 8 years before upgrade? Seemss a long time...
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How long would it be to a commnd on a wide boy? Am I better to go to Emirates or Cathay for time to command? Pay? Conditions?
Is it true you are a S/o for about 8 years before upgrade? Seemss a long time...
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Rightfront.
Answers are no, no, no, variable (usually 3000+) - depends what you've logged it in.
15-25 Years, yes.
Pay is less than EK and Cx. Conditions middle of the road.
Time to upgrade will depend on where the industry heads in the coming years - as always. Approaching Credit Crunch may take gloss of things shortly but will be balanced by large number nearing retirement.
Its a matter of weighing up the benefits, $, lifestyle, living in NZ or Sandpit/Smogpit. With the amount of recruiting at present for most major carriers - take your pick.
Answers are no, no, no, variable (usually 3000+) - depends what you've logged it in.
15-25 Years, yes.
Pay is less than EK and Cx. Conditions middle of the road.
Time to upgrade will depend on where the industry heads in the coming years - as always. Approaching Credit Crunch may take gloss of things shortly but will be balanced by large number nearing retirement.
Its a matter of weighing up the benefits, $, lifestyle, living in NZ or Sandpit/Smogpit. With the amount of recruiting at present for most major carriers - take your pick.