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Hi Folks
I know this subject has been thrashed, but what do you make of this?
Prospective pilots now have to fly the B1900 as part of the selection process at Eagle Airways. Just been talking to a couple of guys from the latest round, they were given a few photo copies of the instrument panel, and then told to have a quick look at the cockpit mockup (by themselves) then were thrown into the B1900 (3 at a time I think) and given turns at flying a departure, hold, approach and landing at Hamilton all in 30 - 40 kt upper winds with a 26 kt crosswind for landing. As most of the applicants had come from light twin jobs, naturally all 6 of the applicants did not do very well, having never used EFIS F/D etc and given virtually no briefing. After the flight they were gathered into a briefing room and told by the two Eagle pilots conducting the flights that " You are the worst we've seen and none of you deserve to hold an instrument rating".
I hope Eagle has a think about what the've done and look kindly on the good bunch of guys they just interviewed, they probably did very well given the circumstances!
I know this subject has been thrashed, but what do you make of this?
Prospective pilots now have to fly the B1900 as part of the selection process at Eagle Airways. Just been talking to a couple of guys from the latest round, they were given a few photo copies of the instrument panel, and then told to have a quick look at the cockpit mockup (by themselves) then were thrown into the B1900 (3 at a time I think) and given turns at flying a departure, hold, approach and landing at Hamilton all in 30 - 40 kt upper winds with a 26 kt crosswind for landing. As most of the applicants had come from light twin jobs, naturally all 6 of the applicants did not do very well, having never used EFIS F/D etc and given virtually no briefing. After the flight they were gathered into a briefing room and told by the two Eagle pilots conducting the flights that " You are the worst we've seen and none of you deserve to hold an instrument rating".
I hope Eagle has a think about what the've done and look kindly on the good bunch of guys they just interviewed, they probably did very well given the circumstances!
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Crazy Horse, welcome to the new world of pretend airlines. Why in the world would you call an airline "Eagle"? The is so ridiculously unoriginal or does this relate to the standard there. Obviously the current Eagle pilots are not going to end up being able to "Fly like Eagles" if they are stuck with these six turkeys. 
none of you deserve to hold an instrument rating
So are the Eagle super "balls of steel" check pilots going to report their concerns immediately to the NZ CAA, given that they have urgent safety information regarding currently qualified IFR pilots flying in New Zealand.
Of course not.
You have to consider the possibility that they were just basically saying my dick is bigger than yours
If they were in fact given virtually no briefing then we have the hallmark of a shoddy organisation.
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After the flight they were gathered into a briefing room and told by the two Eagle pilots conducting the flights that " You are the worst we've seen and none of you deserve to hold an instrument rating".
1. Did this REALLY happen?
2. Is this reflective of the current or the revised screening process?
3. Perhaps this is a deliberate attempt to unsettle the candidates?
I dunno either way
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Quote Charlie horse...."You are the worst we've seen and none of you deserve to hold an instrument rating".
Hmmmmmmmmm...I do believe thats been said to me on many occasions....and 30 yrs later its still true..... the falling through cracks number.....
Not saying charlie is ruining a good story by telling the facts.......sounds like our kiwi bro,s are a little full of themselves for sure.....something to be said about a 1900 pilot for sure
H1 ...you must know a few of these blokes..whats the mentality???
Hmmmmmmmmm...I do believe thats been said to me on many occasions....and 30 yrs later its still true..... the falling through cracks number.....
Not saying charlie is ruining a good story by telling the facts.......sounds like our kiwi bro,s are a little full of themselves for sure.....something to be said about a 1900 pilot for sure
H1 ...you must know a few of these blokes..whats the mentality???
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PB....most of the guys I know have now left and are either working for Big brother, EK, or CX.
I suspect this is a bit of a wind up...but then again as we both know, every company has its fair share of spankers...I just can't figure out why nobody has noticed me yet
Besides I thought Cloud was a 1900 jockey? where is his expert input when ya need it?
I suspect this is a bit of a wind up...but then again as we both know, every company has its fair share of spankers...I just can't figure out why nobody has noticed me yet
Besides I thought Cloud was a 1900 jockey? where is his expert input when ya need it?
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H1, of course I wouldn't condone this sort of thing. And sadly I did here a very similar story from a guy I flew with yesterday who had a mate on the interviews. There's no defense for this kind of attitude, so I won't offer one. You can't expect to throw a pilot into a completely different aircraft and have them perform with flying colours.
The only two who were exempt from the 'you can't fly for ****' talk were CTC instructors with plenty of experience in twinstars with all that EFIS type stuff.
The only two who were exempt from the 'you can't fly for ****' talk were CTC instructors with plenty of experience in twinstars with all that EFIS type stuff.
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This just reconfirms everything that i ever thought about Eagle. Love to see these damm "Hotshots" get given a photcopy of a jet cockpit, 2 minutes in a mockup and then do sum laps... I'm sure it will be 4G negative dives all over the show, couple of runs past the tower at 400kts, then drinks around the pool in their whites in no time.
Brother you just hit the nail on the head with that one, ive been saying that for years. However with that attitude I will have to inform you that you will never get into eagle....
Oh mate you da man.
Any interveiw that I have attended with a sim ride, flight test etc, was well briefed, and proffesionally conducted, aaaah well I guess there is a "G" and an "A" in Eagle.
I think it is about time that Big Brother is aware of what these people at Eagle are putting people through and how they behave in the interveiw process. I think an email is in order... Any of the people on the interveiw that wish to PM me with a little ammo, feel free.
I have no knowledge of how good or bad the candidates actually were but if your information is accurate it doesn't seem as though these Eagle pilots know how to conduct themselves in a proffessional manner.
If they were in fact given virtually no briefing then we have the hallmark of a shoddy organisation.
Any interveiw that I have attended with a sim ride, flight test etc, was well briefed, and proffesionally conducted, aaaah well I guess there is a "G" and an "A" in Eagle.
I think it is about time that Big Brother is aware of what these people at Eagle are putting people through and how they behave in the interveiw process. I think an email is in order... Any of the people on the interveiw that wish to PM me with a little ammo, feel free.
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While supply exceeds demand there is always going to be a situation where the 3rd level operators can do as they please. And since most of the rest of the real world throws people into the RHS with a basic CPL/IR bottom level is that all Eagle needs are a bunch of people with 2-300 hrs and some multi time and they sort through and take who they want. NZ can't forever be the place where you need a thousand hours to go RHS in a wee turboprop, that is ridiculous.
There can never be a shortage because it only takes 18 months from day one to get your Multi/IR out of the way and meet the min requirements.
There can never be a shortage because it only takes 18 months from day one to get your Multi/IR out of the way and meet the min requirements.
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One of the candidates is an instructor where I train and an excellent pilot, I would say it is just to wind them up. They like to push candidates to the limit, telling them they're useless etc.
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Quote berg...."They like to push candidates to the limit, telling them they're useless etc"
Berg mate.....you cant be serious
.....(thats something aussies do
)
For the life of me, how does one justify the logic behind that type of ****e and thinking...all we have done(if theres any validity to this wind-up) is prove how absolutey ignorant and arrogant we are to this profession....
If the bloke/shelia is not qualified you do the dignified thing and show some professional demeaner and courtesy!!!!!!
.......(then down at the pisser that night,you drag their carcasses through the mud behind their backs .....thats the proper way)
Berg mate.....you cant be serious
.....(thats something aussies do) For the life of me, how does one justify the logic behind that type of ****e and thinking...all we have done(if theres any validity to this wind-up) is prove how absolutey ignorant and arrogant we are to this profession....
If the bloke/shelia is not qualified you do the dignified thing and show some professional demeaner and courtesy!!!!!!
.......(then down at the pisser that night,you drag their carcasses through the mud behind their backs .....thats the proper way)
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The mighty eaglettes strike again.
Its a real shame that so many in eagle take the hole ship down especially when their is so many good buggers in their and playing all their games and waiting for something better.
If you want to do some real 1900 flying go work for Vincent or take a trip to virtually anywhere in Africa.
Usually companys like Eagle learn from their shortcomings....but I guess it is NZ and the pilot shortage isnt quite their yet!!!!
Its a real shame that so many in eagle take the hole ship down especially when their is so many good buggers in their and playing all their games and waiting for something better.
If you want to do some real 1900 flying go work for Vincent or take a trip to virtually anywhere in Africa.
Usually companys like Eagle learn from their shortcomings....but I guess it is NZ and the pilot shortage isnt quite their yet!!!!
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I'm disgusted with this report of behaviour from within what is perceived as being a profesional organisation. I know some of the current Eagle pilots, one is a good mate. I have to admit that one of those I know (not my mate) is a person sufficiently arrogant that it does not stretch the imagination to believe he could make comments like those reported.
I would hope that those to whom the comments were directed would in the first instance tell Eagle to smack their job up their arse, then let the GM know why, by any and every means available.
Speaking personally, there is no way I would tolerate being spoken to in that manner by anyone; nor would I expect anyone else to tolerate it. If events as reported are fact, the persons involved are at the very least owed an apology; those who reportedly made the comments deserve to lose their jobs and their identities being made known, at least within industry.
The good 'ol Kiwi bashing-machine is incredibly efficient at removing the Tall Poppies from their pedestal. By the same token, injustice is harshly dealt to in the Aotearoa I know. Here is a deserving case.
I would hope that those to whom the comments were directed would in the first instance tell Eagle to smack their job up their arse, then let the GM know why, by any and every means available.
Speaking personally, there is no way I would tolerate being spoken to in that manner by anyone; nor would I expect anyone else to tolerate it. If events as reported are fact, the persons involved are at the very least owed an apology; those who reportedly made the comments deserve to lose their jobs and their identities being made known, at least within industry.
The good 'ol Kiwi bashing-machine is incredibly efficient at removing the Tall Poppies from their pedestal. By the same token, injustice is harshly dealt to in the Aotearoa I know. Here is a deserving case.
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The only two who were exempt from the 'you can't fly for ****' talk were CTC instructors with plenty of experience in twinstars with all that EFIS type stuff.
*And* it's completely unfair to suggest that the rest of us teaching in Senecas or Partenavias can't fly because the best thing we might have is an RMI and a half decent artificial horizon.
If all they get is a SID and an approach, and it's a bit of a crap day, I don't see why basic IFR skills don't apply to any aircraft you fly.
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I disagree. Some of these guys will have no experience with RMIs, HSIs and particularly things like altitude alerters and flight directors. While the presentation is different in the G1000, the basic features are similar.
The fact that the CTC instructors do a lot of beacon bashing in Hamilton is also a definite advantage. I'm not knocking them, they obviously did a good job, I'm just trying to explain how the playing field is not really level.
Either way, that's all beside the point of this thread. Also it sounds like the weather on the day would have made things tricky for any pilot.
The fact that the CTC instructors do a lot of beacon bashing in Hamilton is also a definite advantage. I'm not knocking them, they obviously did a good job, I'm just trying to explain how the playing field is not really level.
Either way, that's all beside the point of this thread. Also it sounds like the weather on the day would have made things tricky for any pilot.
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I'm still not buying it...The way the CTC guys are being talked about suggests they are doing something significantly different in the way they teach IFR than the rest of us:
- The weather was the same for all of them, and I don't disagree that it was a crap day, but that's not a disadvantage to anyone in particular.
- The twinstar is an interesting one: I think it could work both ways - they could be used to looking at the nice pictures (no Flight Director, unlike Ardmore's Duchess) and the map on the MFD, which they wouldn't have in the Beech.
- Familiarity at Hamilton is no excuse either - Sunair, AFS, North Shore, Bay Flight - they all end up at Hamilton often enough (though anyone further afield would be slightly out of their element).
Eagle is the filter from NZ GA - Nelson and Cook won't look unless you've got heaps of Multi ATO, and that tends to be in a more structured environment (180 day checks, etc).
It concerns me that we're talking about Eagle like we expect the bar to be lowered to accommodate those we think should get in. Either you're good enough or not, and if it went really badly maybe the so-called unprofessional behavior from the Eagle captains was warranted. We clearly don't know enough to be making these calls.
- The weather was the same for all of them, and I don't disagree that it was a crap day, but that's not a disadvantage to anyone in particular.
- The twinstar is an interesting one: I think it could work both ways - they could be used to looking at the nice pictures (no Flight Director, unlike Ardmore's Duchess) and the map on the MFD, which they wouldn't have in the Beech.
- Familiarity at Hamilton is no excuse either - Sunair, AFS, North Shore, Bay Flight - they all end up at Hamilton often enough (though anyone further afield would be slightly out of their element).
Eagle is the filter from NZ GA - Nelson and Cook won't look unless you've got heaps of Multi ATO, and that tends to be in a more structured environment (180 day checks, etc).
It concerns me that we're talking about Eagle like we expect the bar to be lowered to accommodate those we think should get in. Either you're good enough or not, and if it went really badly maybe the so-called unprofessional behavior from the Eagle captains was warranted. We clearly don't know enough to be making these calls.
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If all they get is a SID and an approach, and it's a bit of a crap day, I don't see why basic IFR skills don't apply to any aircraft you fly.
I Know 4 of the interviewed, and I'm afraid it's all true. For F#*k sake, I find it a challenge to land in those conditions and I'm a good pilot and an honest one. Well Management you just wasted all that money to prove those G.A. guys couldn't handle the 1900 on their first try in those bl#ody awful conditions. Hang on a minute we already knew that cause none of us could either! IDIOTS
Our interview process must work cause look at all our F/Os failing command upgrades. What is the rate, 90%.
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OK..deep breath for a second...
Art..whatever, with comments like that, its no wonder EAG has a reputation such as it does (whether it is deserved or otherwise)
There is simply no excuse for ANY behaviour of this type..implied or otherwise, whether it comes from training Capts..or whatever, the fact that these guys appear to have been set up for a fall is merely symptomatic of a culture that has no place in an airline.
I honestly hope that this is not the case at Eagle.
Either you're good enough or not, and if it went really badly maybe the so-called unprofessional behavior from the Eagle captains was warranted. We clearly don't know enough to be making these calls
There is simply no excuse for ANY behaviour of this type..implied or otherwise, whether it comes from training Capts..or whatever, the fact that these guys appear to have been set up for a fall is merely symptomatic of a culture that has no place in an airline.
I honestly hope that this is not the case at Eagle.