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Oz Aviation(and his attitude) is precisely why I left Aerocare after 5 and a half years. The first 2-3 years were great, I learned more about the industry and what it takes to run a ramp operation than I ever could dream of. My time on the Impulse 717 ramp at Sydney was the most stressful, exhausting part of my working life, but also the most enjoyable. We all felt we were achieving something and felt for th most part, the Impulse people actually appreciated us. We often went way way above the call of duty, but that was just they way it was, and we relished it. I think we did some good work, and made some life long friends. At the time we had a great relationship with the owner.
Some things I learned,
When you have a sucessful company..........NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.........EVER employ family to be managers. They just turn it into thweir little fiefdom.
Aerocare want brainless workers who will follow management ideas without question. The last type of employe they want now is a pilot, who has the brainpower to think about what is going on and , oh my god, speak out about it. Disagreement with management is a cardinal sin.
Oh one more thing, one of the funniest things I have ever seen is one certain managers spanish inquisttion when in just before Aerocare lost the REX contract, some one wrote on the white board in the office below T2, the REX ramp one. "The end of Aerocare in Sydney as we know it". The interviews of all sydney staff, photos taken, notes made, endless questioning of who did it. God how I was able to keep a straight face at the time.
Well, it was ..........ME......I did it.
Some things I learned,
When you have a sucessful company..........NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.........EVER employ family to be managers. They just turn it into thweir little fiefdom.
Aerocare want brainless workers who will follow management ideas without question. The last type of employe they want now is a pilot, who has the brainpower to think about what is going on and , oh my god, speak out about it. Disagreement with management is a cardinal sin.
Oh one more thing, one of the funniest things I have ever seen is one certain managers spanish inquisttion when in just before Aerocare lost the REX contract, some one wrote on the white board in the office below T2, the REX ramp one. "The end of Aerocare in Sydney as we know it". The interviews of all sydney staff, photos taken, notes made, endless questioning of who did it. God how I was able to keep a straight face at the time.
Well, it was ..........ME......I did it.
I don't want to be the best pilot in the world - Just the oldest
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OG3,
I'd expect nothing less from you.
Year before last when I was contemplating life back in Oz after a few years dodging IEDs in Kabul, I thought about applying to be a bag chucker at Perth. Thank god I woke up to myself and soon got over that idea.
I'd expect nothing less from you.
Year before last when I was contemplating life back in Oz after a few years dodging IEDs in Kabul, I thought about applying to be a bag chucker at Perth. Thank god I woke up to myself and soon got over that idea.
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I work at aero care so I feel qualified to talk about working for them.
If you are one of those types who thinks the world owes you something, then Aerocare is probably not for you. However if you are willing to work hard and you take some pride in your work, what have you got to lose? You could be working within 2 weeks from the initial application.Then, if you dont like it then leave. Nobody there will hold a gun to your head.
I'm not going to say that it is the best place in the world to work, but if you want to get your foot in the door and work at the airport, it's a damn good start.
Oh and 1 other thing. 90% of the rumours you hear about Aerocare are just that - Rumours. the rest is bulls**t
If you are one of those types who thinks the world owes you something, then Aerocare is probably not for you. However if you are willing to work hard and you take some pride in your work, what have you got to lose? You could be working within 2 weeks from the initial application.Then, if you dont like it then leave. Nobody there will hold a gun to your head.
I'm not going to say that it is the best place in the world to work, but if you want to get your foot in the door and work at the airport, it's a damn good start.
Oh and 1 other thing. 90% of the rumours you hear about Aerocare are just that - Rumours. the rest is bulls**t
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Worked for them for the best part of 3 years, various operations, left for flying... like so many others I see!
I doubt that they are getting more than Menzies and Skystar... weren't in my time there!
Oh yeah they don't have SQ or UA any more... and PB isn't looking too good either from all reports!
OG3 100% agree... great company, massive potential... stuffed my middle management who care more about bonuses than staff morale or getting the job done right. Several others and myself busted our asses getting things setup in various operations at the port I worked at. Mind you not one word of thanks... no thanks for all the 'fudges' that we did to our blocks times to make our OTP look impressive! No thanks either when I left after all that time, in fact on my last day my port manager just left without a word said.
Barely got a thanks and a hand shake when I came back to hand in my uniform!
According to them you can't have any misgivings, otherwise you are not 100% commited to them! You can't question, just do... if you don't then you'll find you have either no shifts or a DCM (if you give them reason to dismiss you, unfair dismissal is something they are scared of!). They don't really care about you, because (in their opinion) there are hundreds behind you who are willing! That theory doesn't change much even with seniority, but they hurt more when the senior guys have had enough and move on.
I've got a student now that has started working there, told him the same as I'll say here... great for the experience, just watch your back and don't put up if you don't think it's right! Most of their staff will end up in better jobs later on... just think of it as a launch-pad to the airline industry!
Swift6 & OG3, blue skies... see you in the crew room!
I in the sky,
100% true!
Yeah the rumours about the airlines they work for... according to rumour they were getting the NZ contract when I worked there... oh let's not forget MH, CZ, FDM, CA, CE... the list goes on. Let's not forget about the rumour that AC was loosing the UA contract to Menzies and management came out and said it's totally unfounded and crap, then they lost the contract about 4 weeks later 
. They don't let the truth get in the way of a good story! Unfortunately most of the rumours about staff pay and conditions are true... but as you have in the first quote, great start point in the industry!
Like OG3 (I'm sure, and others) I don't regret working there one bit, great experience which I have now taken into my flying career.
I doubt that they are getting more than Menzies and Skystar... weren't in my time there!
Oh yeah they don't have SQ or UA any more... and PB isn't looking too good either from all reports!
OG3 100% agree... great company, massive potential... stuffed my middle management who care more about bonuses than staff morale or getting the job done right. Several others and myself busted our asses getting things setup in various operations at the port I worked at. Mind you not one word of thanks... no thanks for all the 'fudges' that we did to our blocks times to make our OTP look impressive! No thanks either when I left after all that time, in fact on my last day my port manager just left without a word said.
Barely got a thanks and a hand shake when I came back to hand in my uniform!According to them you can't have any misgivings, otherwise you are not 100% commited to them! You can't question, just do... if you don't then you'll find you have either no shifts or a DCM (if you give them reason to dismiss you, unfair dismissal is something they are scared of!). They don't really care about you, because (in their opinion) there are hundreds behind you who are willing! That theory doesn't change much even with seniority, but they hurt more when the senior guys have had enough and move on.
I've got a student now that has started working there, told him the same as I'll say here... great for the experience, just watch your back and don't put up if you don't think it's right! Most of their staff will end up in better jobs later on... just think of it as a launch-pad to the airline industry!
Swift6 & OG3, blue skies... see you in the crew room!
I in the sky,
I'm not going to say that it is the best place in the world to work, but if you want to get your foot in the door and work at the airport, it's a damn good start.
Oh and 1 other thing. 90% of the rumours you hear about Aerocare are just that - Rumours. the rest is bulls**t
. They don't let the truth get in the way of a good story! Unfortunately most of the rumours about staff pay and conditions are true... but as you have in the first quote, great start point in the industry!Like OG3 (I'm sure, and others) I don't regret working there one bit, great experience which I have now taken into my flying career.
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Hi In the Sky.
I wonder if you could help me.. I submit my application through aero care website couple of months ago and haven't heard anything yet. I rang them to follow up mu application and they say check the website but there is nothing on the website to check application status..
Any info will help me...
Ta
I wonder if you could help me.. I submit my application through aero care website couple of months ago and haven't heard anything yet. I rang them to follow up mu application and they say check the website but there is nothing on the website to check application status..
Any info will help me...
Ta
I can't say much for other bases, but there's 2 pilots employed at very least in Cairns, one check-in and the other in ramp - dispelling rumours there.
Secondly it's unskilled labour - that said there is plenty of opportunity to move into supervisory roles, and thence management if so desired. One of the pit crew leaders in Cairns has recently moved to Darwin as the Airport Manager, and I'm sure already doing a fine job.
One might say the opinions on here are inexperienced, I'd say 8 years in GA qualifies me to comment on the subject. As someone who at the height of the GFC lost his job (which was very well paid) and was employed a week later by AC, I can easily say I've had both good and bad moments, but as a whole enjoyed my time there and have met some great people.
Ground handling isn't for everyone nor is check-in, but as a company the fact that the highly coveted Gold Coast contract was awarded to AC must say something for the company.
My flying jobs for the first 5 years of GA never paid more than 23.5K per year, and I can sure as sh!t say that I worked harder than I do at AC which pays a hell of a lot more than that did.
RC
Secondly it's unskilled labour - that said there is plenty of opportunity to move into supervisory roles, and thence management if so desired. One of the pit crew leaders in Cairns has recently moved to Darwin as the Airport Manager, and I'm sure already doing a fine job.
One might say the opinions on here are inexperienced, I'd say 8 years in GA qualifies me to comment on the subject. As someone who at the height of the GFC lost his job (which was very well paid) and was employed a week later by AC, I can easily say I've had both good and bad moments, but as a whole enjoyed my time there and have met some great people.
Ground handling isn't for everyone nor is check-in, but as a company the fact that the highly coveted Gold Coast contract was awarded to AC must say something for the company.
My flying jobs for the first 5 years of GA never paid more than 23.5K per year, and I can sure as sh!t say that I worked harder than I do at AC which pays a hell of a lot more than that did.
RC
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There may not be any positions available atm, I know that the LST crew were offered transfers to a couple of other ports once Tiger pull out. Wasn't many choices for them.
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A total circus
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They are the very height of incompetence. And its not because of the staff members that work there but due to the lack of training and staffing levels.
An accident waiting to happen.
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They are the very height of incompetence. And its not because of the staff members that work there but due to the lack of training and staffing levels.
An accident waiting to happen.
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So, I have applied for a Customer Services, casual position with Aerocare based in Melbourne (not sure if they're looking for Tullamarine or Avalon?)
What is the pay rate? Even though it's a casual position is it possible to get around 40 hrs a week? Also, I don't drive, (but I do have a license), would this be a problem getting to work?
Any other comments on the company or the role would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
What is the pay rate? Even though it's a casual position is it possible to get around 40 hrs a week? Also, I don't drive, (but I do have a license), would this be a problem getting to work?
Any other comments on the company or the role would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
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Unless it stated Avalon its for Tullamarine and dont worry about the Pacific Blue comment, its all Tiger 
They will do their absolute best to ensure you dont break 38hrs a week, unless Tiger pulls a delay on you when your shift was meant to finish.
It would be better if you said you "did" own a car, and I presume you are catching a bus or getting dropped of. How are they meant to know hey?
Payrate is around $25 mid week, and up to $35 on weekends. Bit lower for training.
They will do their absolute best to ensure you dont break 38hrs a week, unless Tiger pulls a delay on you when your shift was meant to finish. It would be better if you said you "did" own a car, and I presume you are catching a bus or getting dropped of. How are they meant to know hey?
Payrate is around $25 mid week, and up to $35 on weekends. Bit lower for training.
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Whats with the applicants paying for medical and paying for Dangerous goods course with their prefered trainer without having the job which seems to be casual sounds like a scam to me.
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Aero-Care Flight Support
It's about $17/hr during the week, or $22/hr on weekends. See the link for the full outline of conditions. They are strongly anti-union and discourage their employees from joining. Google Aero-Care Flight Support and you will find some unscrupulous stories (particularly on evenitup). A very amateur company.
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Agree, MH, was nearly pushed back into a CX A330, a while back. After a few complaints, the company i work for changed to Menzies.
Workers tried hard enough, but not well trained.
Workers tried hard enough, but not well trained.
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Guys! Do yourself a favour & avoid any work with Aerocare........
Aerocare treat their staff like absolute crap.......
The Brisbane base is the laughing stock of the airport.
Its run by turkeys & the staff turn over is overwhelming.
The workload is overwhelming & god help you if you make a mistake! They treat you like crap..... Oh, & as for training...... There is no more than a fews hours training.. Thats it......
Apply for anything other than Aerocare
Aerocare treat their staff like absolute crap.......
The Brisbane base is the laughing stock of the airport.
Its run by turkeys & the staff turn over is overwhelming.
The workload is overwhelming & god help you if you make a mistake! They treat you like crap..... Oh, & as for training...... There is no more than a fews hours training.. Thats it......
Apply for anything other than Aerocare
Its a shame the company has gone the way it has, i worked there on the Impulse operation in 2000 in SYD and it was great back then, yeah little training but they guys were a great lot, oh and by the way betwwn the 23 guys in the group, we had around 7000 hrs commercial flying time. We had some very sharp operators. I still dont know if anyone in the world has beaten 14mins 10 secs from on blox to off blocks for a jet(717). That was by stopwatch during the Olympics at Sydney.
The Impulse op was a great one to work on and the Impulse guys were great, especially the pilots, and one Captain (C&T) actually badgered us to go on jumpseat rides with him once he found out there were pilots in the crew. I did 12 myself.
I do have to take some posts to task, while its not rocket science, its not for the brain dead either. A ramp during a peak period is a dangerous, dynamic place and you allways have to be on your toes. 26 REX turnarounds in 90 mins is a monumental task. Some of the hardest work I have ever done. Anyone who says its easy has never done it.
During that time, we all knew Steve Shelly well, he often came downto chat with the boys and was very friendly, the guys got on well with him. To prove a point, when the TWU came round looking for us to sighn up, they were told to bugger off, by us.. the boys.
I dont know what happened after Impulse died, it seems to have all changed. I'm sad to see that caus Aerocare in 2000 WAAS actually a pretty good place to work, and still remember those days with fondness.
BTW.......7000 toilet dumps......and only 2....er accidents.
The Impulse op was a great one to work on and the Impulse guys were great, especially the pilots, and one Captain (C&T) actually badgered us to go on jumpseat rides with him once he found out there were pilots in the crew. I did 12 myself.
I do have to take some posts to task, while its not rocket science, its not for the brain dead either. A ramp during a peak period is a dangerous, dynamic place and you allways have to be on your toes. 26 REX turnarounds in 90 mins is a monumental task. Some of the hardest work I have ever done. Anyone who says its easy has never done it.
During that time, we all knew Steve Shelly well, he often came downto chat with the boys and was very friendly, the guys got on well with him. To prove a point, when the TWU came round looking for us to sighn up, they were told to bugger off, by us.. the boys.
I dont know what happened after Impulse died, it seems to have all changed. I'm sad to see that caus Aerocare in 2000 WAAS actually a pretty good place to work, and still remember those days with fondness.
BTW.......7000 toilet dumps......and only 2....er accidents.
