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If anyone pays anything near 3300 bucks for a psych prep course they need their head read
Seriously, back your own ability, do your research, talk to your friends, study hard using all the references on this website and save your money.
It may come in handy for a job with VB or Jetstar.
Seriously, back your own ability, do your research, talk to your friends, study hard using all the references on this website and save your money.
It may come in handy for a job with VB or Jetstar.
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I should have stayed right on the topic but I will answer your question. When I did test I completed 30 maths questions and 36 cubes and would be confident I got them all correct,without said course I would have got around half this number. I was called the next day told I scored "very high"( whatever that means) also found verbal easy. So for me the prep program was more than worth it - that was my experience.
What I(and others) are more interested in is how many people are actually on the hold file ? - I have heard around fifty ? Also how aggresively are QF testing more candidates for mainline. I was told to " expect progression" in July 2007 anyone get the same letter or an earlier date?
What I(and others) are more interested in is how many people are actually on the hold file ? - I have heard around fifty ? Also how aggresively are QF testing more candidates for mainline. I was told to " expect progression" in July 2007 anyone get the same letter or an earlier date?
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G'day Bertram, Did the sim/interview in Feb and like yourself got told to 'expect progression' after sept. 2006. Put the update in 2 months ago now and have heard nothing. Was getting a little toey until the website update the other day, so have decided to continue with other endeavours!
Just wondering when u did ur interview etc. and was july 07 a response from a previous update?
Just wondering when u did ur interview etc. and was july 07 a response from a previous update?
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Geezuz Bertram. You can buy $30 worth of books at Dymocks which will prepare you that well for the written testing. Three grand? OMFG! More money than sense, especially in the current climate. 
Bazza, the 767 is going pretty much flat strap too.
Bazza, the 767 is going pretty much flat strap too.
May be some time before QF hires?
Bid to ground pilots
Qantas pilots are being told to take leave or find temporary work overseas because the airline has too
many flight crew.
Qantas confirmed yesterday the delay in the delivery of the Airbus A380 and the transfer to Jetstar
International of four A330-200 aircraft meant it had too many pilots.
But the Australian and International Pilots Association urged Qantas to let pilots fly for Jetstar.
An AIPA newsletter circulated yesterday said Qantas A330 crew were on reduced flying time because
of the loss of planes to Jetstar.
The newsletter said the pilots had been told they could not transfer to Jetstar without resigning from
Qantas, despite moves by the new carrier to recruit captains from overseas.
Jetstar pilots earn up to $100,000 a year less than their Qantas counter parts. The union sees the lowcost
carrier as an effort to slash wages and conditions across the group.
"It was put to Qantas pilots on the A330 Airbus fleet at a Qantas briefing that they consider applying
for leave of absence or seek temporary employment overseas," the newsletter says.
"In addition, it was made clear to the Airbus pilots that should they not seek and obtain employment
overseas, that they are likely to be assigned leave to help reduce Qantas's crewing costs."
AIPA president Ian Woods said it was hard to see how Qantas could defend the move.
"On one hand the company has a surplus of A330 pilots in all ranks, and on the other hand, Jetstar is
recruiting offshore direct -entry captains."
However, Qantas said pilots were asked to voluntarily take accrued leave or leave without pay, during
which they could work for an airline overseas. Qantas's head of human resources, Kevin Brown, said
four similar leave programs had been run in the past, notably in 2003 when the SARS outbreak
reduced flights.
"Getting people to take leave is part of a range of initiatives to deal with the fact we have more pilots
than work due to the delay in the A380," he said.
"There are individual pilots who are choosing of their own volition on a voluntary basis to go on leave
without pay and we've encouraged that for decades for Qantas."
On the union's call to allow the surplus pilots to transfer to Jetstar, Mr Brown said Jetstar and Qantas
were separate businesses.
He said 18 Qantas pilots had moved to Jetstar.
many flight crew.
Qantas confirmed yesterday the delay in the delivery of the Airbus A380 and the transfer to Jetstar
International of four A330-200 aircraft meant it had too many pilots.
But the Australian and International Pilots Association urged Qantas to let pilots fly for Jetstar.
An AIPA newsletter circulated yesterday said Qantas A330 crew were on reduced flying time because
of the loss of planes to Jetstar.
The newsletter said the pilots had been told they could not transfer to Jetstar without resigning from
Qantas, despite moves by the new carrier to recruit captains from overseas.
Jetstar pilots earn up to $100,000 a year less than their Qantas counter parts. The union sees the lowcost
carrier as an effort to slash wages and conditions across the group.
"It was put to Qantas pilots on the A330 Airbus fleet at a Qantas briefing that they consider applying
for leave of absence or seek temporary employment overseas," the newsletter says.
"In addition, it was made clear to the Airbus pilots that should they not seek and obtain employment
overseas, that they are likely to be assigned leave to help reduce Qantas's crewing costs."
AIPA president Ian Woods said it was hard to see how Qantas could defend the move.
"On one hand the company has a surplus of A330 pilots in all ranks, and on the other hand, Jetstar is
recruiting offshore direct -entry captains."
However, Qantas said pilots were asked to voluntarily take accrued leave or leave without pay, during
which they could work for an airline overseas. Qantas's head of human resources, Kevin Brown, said
four similar leave programs had been run in the past, notably in 2003 when the SARS outbreak
reduced flights.
"Getting people to take leave is part of a range of initiatives to deal with the fact we have more pilots
than work due to the delay in the A380," he said.
"There are individual pilots who are choosing of their own volition on a voluntary basis to go on leave
without pay and we've encouraged that for decades for Qantas."
On the union's call to allow the surplus pilots to transfer to Jetstar, Mr Brown said Jetstar and Qantas
were separate businesses.
He said 18 Qantas pilots had moved to Jetstar.
(Source: The Australian, 3 November 2006)
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I found the Steven Holding notes for $440 to be good value- I crammed it in for two weeks depsite a recommended two months and I passed the Cadets test, however, I didnt receive any "outstanding results" comments!
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Heard recently that a current RAAF pilot that was on the "active hold file" with QF was contacted and told that he would be considered with Jetstar.
When this very experienced candidate very politely told the person in Qantas Recruitment that he wasn't interested in Jetstar but in Qantas only, he was told that if he didnt accept the Jetstar offer he would be taken off the hold file".
Could this be true?
Any punters like to throw some light onto this supposed debacle?
When this very experienced candidate very politely told the person in Qantas Recruitment that he wasn't interested in Jetstar but in Qantas only, he was told that if he didnt accept the Jetstar offer he would be taken off the hold file".
Could this be true?
Any punters like to throw some light onto this supposed debacle?
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I was on the hold file for 14 months post SARS, IRAQ 2 etc so I know how frustrating it can be. All I did was keep updating and try and not take it personally. The rumors I hear from the training department is Mid next year.
Cheers
Cheers
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Mathematics
Sorry to stray off the original topic here, but just a quick question, has anyone passed the recruitment process without doing year 12 advanced mathematics, and rather the General Mathematics course?
Just wondering the emphasis that is placed on this requirement for the direct entry scheme.
Cheers.
Just wondering the emphasis that is placed on this requirement for the direct entry scheme.
Cheers.
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Wilcome, the only consideration of this is in the application stage, the psych an skills give them a much better idea about your learning ability than a year 12 subject ever will. Your results in ATPL theory will prove more significant than year 12 maths. The minimum requirement is a level above general though, or a university level, but its easy enough to get the subject through tafe.
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When this very experienced candidate very politely told the person in Qantas Recruitment that he wasn't interested in Jetstar but in Qantas only, he was told that if he didnt accept the Jetstar offer he would be taken off the hold file".
Could this be true?
NO - HOW STUPID - TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT RECRUITMENT DEPARTMENTS.
AND AIRLINES!
DON'T EXPECT QF EMPLOYMENT BEFORE JULY 07.
Could this be true?
NO - HOW STUPID - TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT RECRUITMENT DEPARTMENTS.
AND AIRLINES!
DON'T EXPECT QF EMPLOYMENT BEFORE JULY 07.
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Is there any fact and/or speculation on the conditions that new SO hires will be employed under. I have heard (unsubstantiated rumour) all will be payed a fleet pay in the order of $70K. What about overtime ? Allowances ?
Do current Qantas pilots recommend joining the company in the current environment, or should candiates look further a field (Cathay, Emirites)?
Do current Qantas pilots recommend joining the company in the current environment, or should candiates look further a field (Cathay, Emirites)?
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Elmo,
I believe converting 330 SOs to 744 SOs has been considered but the cost was deemed prohibitive.
They are encouraging 330 crews to take Leave Without Pay. If crew don't arrange that for themselves, they will be forced to take most of their annual leave, and possibly long service leave (although unlikely SOs have any). Eventually, they may end up back at work being paid minimum wage but not doing anywhere near enough work to earn it.
I'm sure all these things have been considered in the decision not to retrain any SOs.
Hugh,
Not sure about any of the conditions for upcoming new hires... of course the recruiting department is completely transparent so they will give you up to date and honest projections about what to expect well before you commit to Qantas
WARNING - be very certain to ask questions about pay and conditions early on in the process. In the past, the research was as simple as getting a copy of the current Long Haul Enterprise Bargaining Agreement which applied to all the other LH crew. This will probably not be the case for new hires from now on. Don't be surprised to be told that pay and conditions are yet to be finalised and will be advised later. They did this when they tried to base a bunch of SOs in Singapore.
Of course, the pay and conditions for current SOs are pretty good, especially after 18 months on line. Under those conditions, the decision to be with Qantas vs Cathay or Emirates was harder and was more likely to be because of a real desire to stay in Aus, despite the horribly slow promotions in QF.
If they offer 70K, the further widening of the gap may encourage anyone able to go overseas to do just that.
VI
I believe converting 330 SOs to 744 SOs has been considered but the cost was deemed prohibitive.
They are encouraging 330 crews to take Leave Without Pay. If crew don't arrange that for themselves, they will be forced to take most of their annual leave, and possibly long service leave (although unlikely SOs have any). Eventually, they may end up back at work being paid minimum wage but not doing anywhere near enough work to earn it.
I'm sure all these things have been considered in the decision not to retrain any SOs.
Hugh,
Not sure about any of the conditions for upcoming new hires... of course the recruiting department is completely transparent so they will give you up to date and honest projections about what to expect well before you commit to Qantas
WARNING - be very certain to ask questions about pay and conditions early on in the process. In the past, the research was as simple as getting a copy of the current Long Haul Enterprise Bargaining Agreement which applied to all the other LH crew. This will probably not be the case for new hires from now on. Don't be surprised to be told that pay and conditions are yet to be finalised and will be advised later. They did this when they tried to base a bunch of SOs in Singapore.Of course, the pay and conditions for current SOs are pretty good, especially after 18 months on line. Under those conditions, the decision to be with Qantas vs Cathay or Emirates was harder and was more likely to be because of a real desire to stay in Aus, despite the horribly slow promotions in QF.
If they offer 70K, the further widening of the gap may encourage anyone able to go overseas to do just that.
VI
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Sorry to burst your bubble Grnd Hog, but yes, it could be true (that doesn't constitute an allegation that it is, just that I wouldn't rule it out).
Recently I've had some very interesting conversations with certain individuals who have been contacted personally by JQ recruiting or someone in JQ management. There appears to be some serious skullduggery going on between JQ and QF. Hardly surprising to me.
Recently I've had some very interesting conversations with certain individuals who have been contacted personally by JQ recruiting or someone in JQ management. There appears to be some serious skullduggery going on between JQ and QF. Hardly surprising to me.
And it appears that yet again, the line between Qantas and Jetstar is being blurred.
It suits them to be "separate companies" when they want it to be, but part of the "Qantas Group" (as painted in bloody huge writing on their hand-me-down A330) the rest of the time.
TL
It suits them to be "separate companies" when they want it to be, but part of the "Qantas Group" (as painted in bloody huge writing on their hand-me-down A330) the rest of the time.
On the union's call to allow the surplus pilots to transfer to Jetstar, Mr Brown said Jetstar and Qantas
were separate businesses.
were separate businesses.
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Progression
I have now been advised that I may progress in November 2007 - quite a wait.
Has anybody out there had any better progression date, and is this after a number of cadet courses?
Has anybody out there had any better progression date, and is this after a number of cadet courses?