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Old 17th Jul 2006, 07:02
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Well bugger my brown dog, as an eloquent chap I know is want to say!

There's not one word in the originating post that unequivocally says, whinge/bitch/moan/woe is me. Sure they can be interpreted that way by the reader but that's not what they say.

Not one of the complainants have asked rodney what did he mean, they've just assumed (makes an ass out of u) that their interpretation was the righteous and correct one.

Even when rodney elaborated to remove doubt, some of you want to continue to believe that your negative interpretation is still correct. my brown dog, what do you do in an aeroplane when there's some doubt as to what's wanted or said?????

There's another thread running at the moment about the need for unity amongst pilots. IMHO we won't see the desired unity in my life, and much of this thread explains why not.
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I think most of you missed the jest in Rodney’s post, the grass is always greener when your looking over fence from a pile of dog doo.

Chimbu also has is right, I look back on my time in GA as an experience that I will never forget and can draw experience from, PNG, North and East Coast OZ, South Asia and Africa, been there did it. While most of my mates were starting to check into CX & QF I was smashing bugs across the planet.
The dosh was sometimes good but most times crap but the people you meet along the way make it worth it.

Now when I decide which auto pilot to engage and discover the finer points of an FMC and maintain F410 and watch most of everyone else below me I realise how much fun you can have bug smashing.

Fo’s I know here in Europe have (some) gone from training to a Jet and they think that that’s the icing on the cake, but after the gloss wares off they start to think is this all there is to this game.

Where you are and where you have been is an apprenticeship in life never forget that in your aspiration to fly the big stuff, because once you get there it can be as boring as bat poo and the gent in the LHS is truly excited by being able to make block with in 3 mins of planned!

Gimmie a break and get a life, better still go bug smashing.

I just feel very sorry for the poor souls that will end up with the new Multi Pilot Type Operators Licence that JARWorld is proposing
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Well, when he makes a comment like this-
Every day I fly airliners I thank God more and more for my Air Force career.
I think one can be forgiven for assuming he's being a little negative about his current profession.

Rodney and his ilk should realize that there are ex-military guys who give the breed a bad name by there holier-than-thou attitude. It is by no means universal, some of the best guys I've ever flown with (God! Garry Cooper VC(should have!!)) in both seats have been ex military- Some of the worst also!

I and others mis-interpreted his post- not without reason considering our experiences.

For him then to launch the teddy is, I feel, a little churlish.

Oh, and Trevor, Military flying doesn't have a monopoly of time away from home either. I missed my Daughters first steps because I was on a 5 month separation due to the vagaries of not having the tab picked up by Johnnie!

I do wonder what exactly our Rodders hoped to achieve with this, his first post
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Metro man
Try living in accommodation that housing commission tenants would refuse, hundreds of miles from the nearest town working for employers that think the award is a joke.
Try flying beaten up 25-30 year old piston equipment from dirt strips in all weather conditions.
Got to stop typing now I'm getting tears all over the keyboard I feel so sorry for him and all he's had to endure
Are you a Caibou pilot living in the Officers' Mess? (award aside) [Edit: Just saw Arm out the Window's post ]

Wonder if the skid marks are still there from the STOL STOL Bou.

Only aircraft that I know, that took off with the park brake on without anyone realising (Wet grass) and landed with brakes firmly fixed in the static position, unfortunately NOT on wet grass in that order!
I believe a pax saw it but spoke up after a landing involving a lot of screeching

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Because of my civilian career I joined the RAAF a little older than my compatriots.

Because of my civilian career I took a pay cut (joining the RAAF).

Because of my civilian career the RAAF said I couldn't fly.

Because of my civilian career the RAAF found that I could.

Because of my civilian career I was the oldest pilot on course.

Because of my civilian career I left RAAF training for an airline job.

Because of my civilian career I am a little bit less well off financially than my (RAAF) compatriots.

Every day I fly airliners I thank God more and more for my airline job.
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 10:06
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Those of you who think that a RAAFie doesn't pay for his training have conveniently forgotten ROSO.

Giving at LEAST 10 years of your working life to an organisation that, at a whim, can have you squatting in a hootchie in downtown Bumfcuk without any recourse is quite a downpayment on any training recieved.

In fact it is the reason many of the guys I fly with spurned a military career. The reasons were all the same, either stated or nuanced.. The price was too high..

Having said that, my air-force career, short and unspectacular as it was back then, remains the highlight of my flying life.
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 11:14
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Okay Rodney's back, give a hand for Rodney, get Rude on.


Dear Mr Schmoo. I actually like you, I think you are quite factual and passionate. But PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE, stop putting words in my mouth and making up inferences.

Quote I would like to ammend my last line of previous post to read doing it "financially" tough. My post was soley with reference to being financially worse off for joining the RAAF. The pilots you fly with that were in Ansett at 22 then got glory jobs in Asia, good on them but they are an excemption rather than the rule. Thats awesome for them and you probably are behind these guys money wise and so is the majority of your fellow aviators.

I am pretty sure my post said ... "because of my RAAF career I am financially a little bit less well off than my compatriots." How do you know that I am not - because where i fly, I am. Where does it say that because of my RAAF career I am worse off than GA pilots who haven't done it easy? It DOESN'T - so stop saying I have suggested this. Where did it say in my post that I am doing it tough financially? ( a direct quote from you) It DOESN'T - so stop saying I have said so. I am not doing it tough - but I am NOT as well off as some of my compatriots that I fly with. FACT - you can not say otherwise because you do not know where I fly or who for. Yes the guys I fly with from Ansett WERE very fortunate, and yes they were an exception. Did I suggest otherwise? No I didn't. So stop suggesting I did.


Dear Rodney

Thanks for replying with "not replying" - so you did reply.

Can't argue with that, except to say that is a pretty shallow victory to you.

Quote Dear RAAFies, you have all done hard yards and have had great training and put in lots of trime and effort, and are probably great pilots. I don't disagree with that. I am just sick of people who trained for free under great conditions having a sook cause someone had a gravy train ride and now they percieve that they did it tough Financially.

Once again - where did I say I am doing it tough financially? I DIDN'T - so stop suggesting I have said it. Please, for fcuk's sake, you show me where I said I was suffering, or have ever suffered, financially. I AM NOT. Find me anywhere in the history of Pprune where a military pilot has said he is crumpled financially. You won't find ONE reference - so stop saying you are sick of hearing it.

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Quote Why is it a problem to have younger Captains?

Oh come on mate, now I am getting fed up with you. WHERE HAVE I SAID I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUNGER CAPTAINS. BLOODYWELL WHERE!!!! YOUNGER CAPTAINS ARE NO FREAKING PROBLEM, I NEVER SAID THEY WERE, DIDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO INSINUATING THAT - SO STOP SUGGESTING I DID. MAYBE ANYONE ELSE RESPONDING HERE WHO DOESN'T LIKE ME MAY FIND WHERE I HAVE SAID I AM CRIPPLED FINANCIALLY, OR THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUNGER CAPTAINS - BUT I CAN TELL YOU YA WON'T FIND IT.



To those in the great airline jet jobs around the world, regardless of their background enjoy the job and don't take it for granted.

EXACTLY MY POINT MATE, I TOOK MY RAAF CAREER FOR GRANTED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AND ALL TOO OFTEN ONLY SAW THE BAD STUFF. NOW MY MUSINGS AS POSTED ARE ALL ABOUT HOW GOOD I HAD IT, HOW MUCH I ENJOYED IT, BUT IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO REALISE IT.
FLYING AIRLINERS IS, TO ME, NOT EXCITING AT ALL, BUT IT IS A GOOD JOB, AND I AM GRATEFUL.

Now Mr Shmoo, could you please provide evidence from my original post which supports you inferences of my "gripes" about my financial state, or my problems with younger captains.

Rodney is going home now.
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 11:49
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It would have been nice to have got into an airline in my early 20s after a short stint in GA and today be captain on a heavy with plenty of money behind me. That didn't happen in my case, I know a few who had an easy run and plenty more who won't go any higher than Saab/Metro/King Air etc so I suppose I can't complain too much.

Decent jet at last, good pay and quick promotion if capable. Yes I sometimes fly with captains a bit younger than I am but if I behave myself I could soon be one of them.

I don't feel sorry for the ex airforce drivers starting out as f/os, they've already had one good career and are starting out on the next one. I feel sorry for the 45 year old charter pilots in C402s who will never go any higher and have nothing behind them for retirement.

What makes me feel old now is looking at the D.O.B.s on the Gen Dec and realising that a few of the flight attendants are young enough to be my daughter.
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 12:03
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Stick it to 'im Rodney

The Dr. and many others (myself included) would probably have sold their mothers to have had the opportunity to go through mil. training and fly fast jets.

I must admit that at first I took offence at your original post. However after reading a few of the alternate views I gave you the benifit of the doubt. After reading your clarification of the original post, well...... who are we to say what you are thinking or meaning

Your original post almost reads like a form of poetry, and poetry can always have differant interpolation

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Old 17th Jul 2006, 12:03
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BRING BACK RODNEY, BRING BACK RODNEY, BRING BACK RODNEY come on mate how about one last encore. How about doing some of those 'you know what I hate, what I reaaaaaaaaaally reaaaaaaaly hate' lines.

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Old 17th Jul 2006, 12:12
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When I read the first post in this thread an old song came to mind.
Je ne regrette rien
Would that I could say that about myself.
Some are lucky and some are not. Such is life!
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 13:42
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 15:06
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Nah Hoss - the farting contest with the ugly lesbian in the tent.

Coz I'd a black snake with a fested arse... IF you held its head!

Classic.
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 15:26
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Dear monople, and others such as Mr Claret, and a few other supporters,
Rodney is back again, encore encore , fcuk me, give Rodney a hand,

mR MONOPLE, WHOOPS, A FEW WINES AND BEERS HAS MY TYPING **** OUT OF KILT. tHANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS. i TOTALLY AND HUMBLY ADMIT THAT MY FIRST ATTEMPT AT A BIT OF BANJO PATTERSON, WHILST SOUNDING NICE, COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN THE WRONG WAY, I AM GLAD THAT MY EXPLANATIONS, WHILST NOT CHANGING MY INTENT IN ANY WAY, MAY HAVE CLEARED UP WHAT I MEANT TO SAY.

I GET ****FACED AT CLOWNS LIKE DR SCHMOOPS PUTTING THEIR OWN SPIN ON IT. I HAVE EXPLAINED MYSELF AND I HAVE TOLD IT HOW I MEAN IT.

1. YES I AM AM EX MILITARY, I HAD EXCELLENT TRAINING, BUT EXCEPT FOR A GUY I FLEW WITH IN THE RAAF WHOSE NAME I WON'T MENTION BUT IT WAS (edited to leave his name out), THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF TALENTED PILOTS I HAVE FLOWN WITH WERE EX GA. YES I PASSED RAAF PILOTS COURSE, BUT I AM AS AVERAGE AS THE NEXT GUY - MY SIMS OF TODAY AND YESTERDAY SHOWED THAT.

2. YEP, GA GUYS HAVE A HARD ROAD, BUT MILITARY LIFE HAS ITS FAIR SHARE OF PRICKLES TOO. MY BEST BUDDY WAS INSPIRED BY ME TO LEARN TO FLY, SOME 6 YEARS AFTER I DID. HE IS AN AILRLINE CAPTAIN NOW, I AM NOT. HE IS FINANCIALLY MORE SECURE THAN ME DESPITE A GA START.

3. I LIKE WHERE I AM NOW. I AM GRATEFUL. MY ROAD HASN'T EXACTLY BEEN ROLLERBLADE HOTMIX. I HAVE FALLEN ON HARD TIMES AND CLAWED MY WAY BACK. A BOUT OF CANCER COST ME MY JOB WITH A MAJOR AND TRY GETTING A JOB WITH AN AIRLINE WITH THAT ON YOUR RESUME (GUESS I'VE GIVEN IT AWAY TO A FEW NOW)


I REALLY JUST WANT TO STRESS - NO OFFENSE WAS MEANT TO HARD WORKING GA GUYS. NO INFERENCE WAS MEANT THAT MIL GUYS ARE BETTER THAN GA. (NOT THAT I SAID ANYTHING AT ALL LIKE THAT). AT NO STAGE DID I SAY OR MEAN TO INFER THAT A MIL CAREER HAS LEFT ME WORSE OFF THAN A GA GUY.

ALL I WANTED TO EXPRESS WAS THAT MY CAREER CHOICES GAVE ME A FABULOUS MIL CAREER, A career that I will always treasure, but if I had started on a GA career in 1985, rather than joining the military, I would now at 42 more than likely be a jet airline captain rather than a jet airline f/o, and as such, better off financially. BUT, I have no regrets. I have flown military jets low and fast with an oxy mask on and a bang seat under my butt and it was great. NO REGRETS. Money smells great but is not the be all and end all.

Rodney would like to retire now - but under the right circumstances late appearance may be possible.

Dr Scmoo - still waiting for your evidence.

Rodney

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Old 17th Jul 2006, 17:36
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Rodney maaaaaaaaaaaaate...thanks for clarifying a few points....Ive been dealt a "Set of Cards" and they are the ones I have to play with...you should do the same....by the way....I have an airline job,it wasnt given to me,I worked my arse off for it....do I piss and moan....on Occasson......but then I think about the boys on the Porirua City Council digging holes....puts it right back in perspective..I would also suggest that there are many who frequent this site,have been through similar circumstances...reckon it all boils down to how your able to handle and deal with it.......you have a good day mate!!PB

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Old 17th Jul 2006, 19:32
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Little (Rodders) Bill Daggett: I don't deserve this... to (fly) die like this. I was building a (flying career) house.
Bill Munny: Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.
[aims gun]
Little Bill Daggett: I'll see you in (insert s..t hole of choice here) hell, William Munny.
Bill Munny: Yeah.
[fires]
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 22:11
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Hello Pakeha boy,

Funny you should mention digging holes for the council. When I was an S/O I used to say that for the same money and same time off at home I would rather dig holes for the council. Now I would probably love to be an S/O on that same money again. See - it is all about hindsight, perspective and looking at things objectively at the time. And to dig holes in a small town in NZ - where do I apply.

Have a cool day.

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Dear Rodney

I'm not sure whether you'll agree but your comments were a tad ambiguous and thank you for clarifying your point as I'm glad I did mine. Perhaps in persuing my line of thought with reference to your original verseone highlighted not only the diffenrece in career choices and the pitfalls of each but maybe a few sore points for me personally. Sorry to take you out of context but as even the Moderator stated, it was ambiguous.

Low level flying in a fast jet - sounds awesome. I wish I could ellaborate on some of my own stories but as a civilian my licence will be shredded and name forever tarnished. The military would have been great ( I never applied ) but GA memories and friendships (like yours too) will last forever.

Its important where you finish but you gotta love the journey

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Old 18th Jul 2006, 02:17
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“To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive,”
Robert Louis Stevenson.

Pretty much sums it up by the sounds of it.
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One last show by Rodney

Mr schmoo,

Thank you for your humility (no offence nor sarcasm intended, humility is a fine trait). A few posters I note have added their own versions of poetry of what I was intending to say. ie the Robert Louis Stevenson quote hits the nail firmly on the gonk.

My journey has been great - I hope yours is too, just enjoy it as it happens, leave no room for regrets.

Thank you for now understanding. I would like it however if you could acknowledge that I never did say I was financially poorly off, or that I have a problem with young skippers.

I hope everyone can avoid this stupid Aussie trait of maybe not being sure what someone is trying to say, so lets assume he is an arsehole and attack him.

Best of luck to you Schmucky schmoo, if the big break hasn't come your way yet, just hang in there, it will. I hung in, and after too long unemployed with a family to support things finally happened, despite the bigots in the airline recruiting world.

I fell this thread has run its course.

Rude has retired. (until I come up with some new poetry)

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