Cessna 209 POH and hire
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All those points may be true, but it also seems that they have added an extra door/panel to the building behind. The original has 8 and the stretched one has 9, extra inseted in stretched position.
Necessary I am informed, as the C209 is usually moved sideways into the hangar.
Sunny Woomera
All those points may be true, but it also seems that they have added an extra door/panel to the building behind. The original has 8 and the stretched one has 9, extra inseted in stretched position.
Necessary I am informed, as the C209 is usually moved sideways into the hangar.
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Monty, I can personally vouch for this aircraft, having flown it in the U.S. for the last few months(got home last week). It is being used at a skdiving centre in Utah (Salt Lake Skydiving, locally known as the 'Bonneville Bouncers'!) and is a popular aircraft for formation jumps as it can lift 10 skydivers. The jumpers were always taking the piss, saying "It must take a long time to wind up the rubber band in this one"
We also did an unusual charter, with the seats out, flying three green Anacondas from Ecuador to a private zoo in Orlando, Florida.
Cheers, Sailing.
We also did an unusual charter, with the seats out, flying three green Anacondas from Ecuador to a private zoo in Orlando, Florida.
Cheers, Sailing.
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As i said before, Im not arguing the existance of the 209, but more to the fact that its an edited photo, everything in it is the same, including glare etc, all of which would be imposible to get if the photos were taken on different days.
Notice how the truck is also longer.
Hotter day, heat expansion. Actually, like most GA fuel trucks that one broke down 10 years ago and hasn't moved since.
All seems very logical to me!
Sunny Woomera
Notice how the truck is also longer.
Hotter day, heat expansion. Actually, like most GA fuel trucks that one broke down 10 years ago and hasn't moved since.
All seems very logical to me!
Sunny Woomera
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Monty,
Regarding the fuel truck - I believe the company obtained a new fuel truck about 2 years ago, following a collision between the old one and an aircraft taking off on a taxiway (by mistake). The new truck was slightly longer but otherwise looked identical to the old one. I guess thats the new truck in the c209 photo.
Sailing,
Any tips on flying the aircraft?
Cheers,
Tiger.
Regarding the fuel truck - I believe the company obtained a new fuel truck about 2 years ago, following a collision between the old one and an aircraft taking off on a taxiway (by mistake). The new truck was slightly longer but otherwise looked identical to the old one. I guess thats the new truck in the c209 photo.
Sailing,
Any tips on flying the aircraft?
Cheers,
Tiger.
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Originally Posted by montyjames
As i said before, Im not arguing the existance of the 209, but more to the fact that its an edited photo, everything in it is the same, including glare etc, all of which would be imposible to get if the photos were taken on different days.
Notice how the truck is also longer.
Notice how the truck is also longer.
Draw lines from the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer where it joins the empennage, to it's corresponding shadow point. Then do the same for the Leading and Trailing edges of the wing where it joins the fuselage, and the top of the main gear to it's corresponding shadow point. Now see if they appear to be parallel. They're not ? Hmmmmm....... something not quite right here....
Also take a look at the lower white coloured section of the engine cowling forward of the main gear, and you'll see five or six "ripples" which can only be caused by the "clone stamp" function in Adobe Photoshop.
Like Monty, I'm not doubting the existance of such a machine, but I'm 'fraid to say that in the case of this photo Tiger, you have been well and truly had
cheers
Gunnadothat.
Not so. The fuselage length is such that the sun's rays strike the wing and horizontal stabiliser at two different vectors. The following formula will explain the displaced shaddow:
The vector angle from P1 to P2 is
d = sqrt[(x1-x2)2+ (y1-y2)2].
The coordinates of the point dividing the line segment P1P2 in the ratio r/s are:
([r x2+s x1]/[r+s], [r y2+s y1]/[r+s]).
As a special case, when r = s, the midpoint of the line segment has coordinates
([x2+x1]/2,[y2+y1]/2).
Simple school kid stuff really!
They are not "ripples"! They are JATO mounts, required when the wind is less than 40 kts on the nose for take off!!
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Get a sense of humour!
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Gunnadothat,
I think you may be wrong about the lines having to be parallel. One of the laws of physics (can't remember the name) says something about the difficulty of measuring shadows in photographs. Because of the angle between the camera and the light source, shadows can never be measured accurately in the photograph.
Although in this photo the shadow may appear to be wrong, it is probably 100% correct.
NK.
I think you may be wrong about the lines having to be parallel. One of the laws of physics (can't remember the name) says something about the difficulty of measuring shadows in photographs. Because of the angle between the camera and the light source, shadows can never be measured accurately in the photograph.
Although in this photo the shadow may appear to be wrong, it is probably 100% correct.
NK.
Regarding the fuel truck - I believe the company obtained a new fuel truck about 2 years ago, following a collision between the old one and an aircraft taking off on a taxiway (by mistake). The new truck was slightly longer but otherwise looked identical to the old one. I guess thats the new truck in the c209 photo
Also, i think you'll find Gunnadothat that those ripples were caused by yet another collision related to reduced foward visability.
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And I know Phil the meteorologist who just happened to arrange for the two clouds in the picture to be in exactly the same location and size as the undoctored Airliners.net photo 
It's been a fun half-hour.... thanks for putting the smile on my dial, lads.
GDT
It's been a fun half-hour.... thanks for putting the smile on my dial, lads.
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[quote=Tiger 77
Sailing,
Any tips on flying the aircraft?
Cheers,
Tiger.[/quote]
Tiger, it flies very much like the 207, but when landing you have to flare just a touch higher as due to the extra length the gear is lower relative to the pilot seat in the landing attitude. The other trick is to flare slightly earlier, due to the control lag. This is caused by stretch due the length of the control cables, which delays elevator response by a fraction of a second, but you soon get used to it.
Of course, as in all older Cessnas, you have to make sure that the seat detents are fully engaged in the track. On the early 209s, the tracks were in one piece right through the cabin and this was the cause of the fuel truck accident mentioned by Dry Twotter. The pilot was just opening the throttle when the nosewheel hit a bump, and the throttle jerked forward. The acceleration caused the seat to slide back down the tracks into the rear of the cabin(there were no rear seats due skydive ops). It fell off the tracks and as it tipped over, the pilot disappeared into the tailcone headfirst, strapped to the seat. The aircaft, still accelerating, impacted the fuel truck in an extreme nose high attitude and suffered damage to the fuselage skin (apparent in the photos). What no-one had realised was that one of the anacondas (see my previous post) had been pregnant and had given birth during the flight from Ecuador a few days before. The babies had been hibernating under the floor and were thrown out and into the cab of the truck, causing Dwayne extreme distress.
cheers, Sailing.
Sailing,
Any tips on flying the aircraft?
Cheers,
Tiger.[/quote]
Tiger, it flies very much like the 207, but when landing you have to flare just a touch higher as due to the extra length the gear is lower relative to the pilot seat in the landing attitude. The other trick is to flare slightly earlier, due to the control lag. This is caused by stretch due the length of the control cables, which delays elevator response by a fraction of a second, but you soon get used to it.
Of course, as in all older Cessnas, you have to make sure that the seat detents are fully engaged in the track. On the early 209s, the tracks were in one piece right through the cabin and this was the cause of the fuel truck accident mentioned by Dry Twotter. The pilot was just opening the throttle when the nosewheel hit a bump, and the throttle jerked forward. The acceleration caused the seat to slide back down the tracks into the rear of the cabin(there were no rear seats due skydive ops). It fell off the tracks and as it tipped over, the pilot disappeared into the tailcone headfirst, strapped to the seat. The aircaft, still accelerating, impacted the fuel truck in an extreme nose high attitude and suffered damage to the fuselage skin (apparent in the photos). What no-one had realised was that one of the anacondas (see my previous post) had been pregnant and had given birth during the flight from Ecuador a few days before. The babies had been hibernating under the floor and were thrown out and into the cab of the truck, causing Dwayne extreme distress.
cheers, Sailing.
Sounded like quite a harrowing experience! 
Does anyone know if I need an endorsement on the 207-900? I have a CPL, but someone said I need an endorsement on this type of aircraft before I can get a job.
Also, I was also told that to carry anacondas you need a special add-on course to your Dangerous Goods Certificate entitled S.N.A.K.E-
Special iNdemnity for Anaconda Keeping and Export
Does anyone know if I need an endorsement on the 207-900? I have a CPL, but someone said I need an endorsement on this type of aircraft before I can get a job.
Also, I was also told that to carry anacondas you need a special add-on course to your Dangerous Goods Certificate entitled S.N.A.K.E-
Special iNdemnity for Anaconda Keeping and Export
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And I know Phil the meteorologist who just happened to arrange for the two clouds in the picture to be in exactly the same location and size as the undoctored Airliners.net photo
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Hold yer horses...
Guys I'd appreciate if you could stop taking the pi$$ out of a very memorable time of my career in aviation. I was actually the head of check and training on the C209 for a company based in Riga, Latvia many moons ago when C209was more common.
We used them for all sorts of things, real workhorses. We had one which came with factory fitted spoilers too, cause due to the reduced visibility over the dash when loaded up, you really had no idea how much runway you had left, so aerodynamic braking was a must.
I've still got an old POH if anyone wants it. Trade it for a C209RG manual, if anyone out there still has one. Heard they were rarer still.
520.
We used them for all sorts of things, real workhorses. We had one which came with factory fitted spoilers too, cause due to the reduced visibility over the dash when loaded up, you really had no idea how much runway you had left, so aerodynamic braking was a must.
I've still got an old POH if anyone wants it. Trade it for a C209RG manual, if anyone out there still has one. Heard they were rarer still.
520.
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Originally Posted by Chadzat
Sounded like quite a harrowing experience!
Does anyone know if I need an endorsement on the 207-900? I have a CPL, but someone said I need an endorsement on this type of aircraft before I can get a job.
Also, I was also told that to carry anacondas you need a special add-on course to your Dangerous Goods Certificate entitled S.N.A.K.E-
Special iNdemnity for Anaconda Keeping and Export
Does anyone know if I need an endorsement on the 207-900? I have a CPL, but someone said I need an endorsement on this type of aircraft before I can get a job.
Also, I was also told that to carry anacondas you need a special add-on course to your Dangerous Goods Certificate entitled S.N.A.K.E-
Special iNdemnity for Anaconda Keeping and Export
We didn't get the S.N.A.K.E. Certificate as it was a lot of paperwork for just a one-off job, and we were only importing.
Cheers, Sailing.
Sunny Wooms added:
Isn't that just the long winded way of saying that the shadows are only different because the nose of the aircraft is so much nearer the sun, thus in fact taking advantage of one of the square laws of nature in so much as opposite shadows attract due to, in no small measure, the light refracted by the air sinking above the cooler shaded tarmac under the fuse interacting with the rising air above the tarmac in the open (which causes both tortional and lateral buckling of the reflected light), inducing a refraction into the negative co-efficient of the cast shadow?
Simple really....
Tige. Deadset priceless.
The vector angle from P1 to P2 is
d = sqrt[(x1-x2)2+ (y1-y2)2].
The coordinates of the point dividing the line segment P1P2 in the ratio r/s are:
([r x2+s x1]/[r+s], [r y2+s y1]/[r+s]).
As a special case, when r = s, the midpoint of the line segment has coordinates
([x2+x1]/2,[y2+y1]/2).
d = sqrt[(x1-x2)2+ (y1-y2)2].
The coordinates of the point dividing the line segment P1P2 in the ratio r/s are:
([r x2+s x1]/[r+s], [r y2+s y1]/[r+s]).
As a special case, when r = s, the midpoint of the line segment has coordinates
([x2+x1]/2,[y2+y1]/2).
Simple really....
Tige. Deadset priceless.