ASIC Nonsense
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ASIC Nonsense
A media release from Warren Truss (Minister for Transport & Regional Services) dated 28 March 2006 states:
"The Australian Government Minister for Transport and Regional Services, Warren Truss, today said that pilots who had applied to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) before 31 December 2005 for an Aviation Security Identification Card (ASIC), and have been found eligible, can expect to receive their new card before the end of March."
Well Mr Truss, I applied for my ASIC back in early October and I still haven't received it. Several enquiries to CASA about the status of my application have been met with "we are waiting clearance from, blah, blah, blah...". If there's a problem (and I can't for the life of me think why there would be) no-one has had the courtesy to contact me to try and sort it out. With the extortionate fees charged by CASA these days and this ASIC rubbish, I'm beginning to think that aviation in Australia is just too damn hard!
Last edited by BuzzBox; 19th Apr 2006 at 23:37.
Originally Posted by BuzzBox
A media release from Warren Truss (Minister for Transport & Regional Services) dated 28 March 2006 states:
"The Australian Government Minister for Transport and Regional Services, Warren Truss, today said that pilots who had applied to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) before 31 December 2005 for an Aviation Security Identification Card (ASIC), and have been found eligible, can expect to receive their new card before the end of March."
"said that pilots who had applied..." said pilots, didn't say all pilots.
"can expect to receive their..." said can expect, didn't say would receive.
Originally Posted by BuzzBox
Well, I applied for my ASIC back in early October and I still haven't received it. Several enquiries to CASA about the status of my application have been met with "we are waiting clearance from, blah, blah, blah...". If there's a problem (and I can't for the life of me think why there would be) no-one has had the courtesy to contact me to try and sort it out. With the extortionate fees charged by CASA these days and this ASIC rubbish, I'm beginning to think that aviation in Australia is just too damn hard!
Now that there are ASICs and some/most pilots have them, expect authorities everywhere to want to use them (somehow). If you thought issuing them was inconsistent and stupid. Wait till every security organisation from the fed police down to Joe's 2 bob security services starts telling you what you can and can't do.
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Ummm yeah thats what happens when idiotic governments make a stupid policy to look good to the public but don't provide the support and finance for the departments to conduct it. Its all looks and spin, no substance. Thats what this government is all about. (anyone notice that all those "terrorist" suspects rounded up months ago have all been released because there was no worthwhie evidence?) yeah media doesnt report it, but hey in the view of Joe Public something is being done!, Its just pathetic all of it... unfortunatley a lot of Australians are apathetic they have had it too good for too long, time will tell I guess...
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So what about all the OTHER people who need / have airside access ?
ie the freight agents, meeting the freight planes; the ambulance people meeting the RFDS plane? the local police man who has to investigate anything and everything that goes on at the local airport? or the firemen who attend a potential "wheels up "?
Are ALL ambulance officers, firepeople, and policemen/women going to be issued ASIC's as well ? and what if the local copper is caught NOT wearing an ASIC whilst investigating agas theft ? is he/she going to issue themselves a $550 fine ?
Is the Fire chief at, say, Dubbo going to ask the pilot if he/she could land in a field away from the terminal ? or maybe " can you please crash near the fence" ?
ie the freight agents, meeting the freight planes; the ambulance people meeting the RFDS plane? the local police man who has to investigate anything and everything that goes on at the local airport? or the firemen who attend a potential "wheels up "?
Are ALL ambulance officers, firepeople, and policemen/women going to be issued ASIC's as well ? and what if the local copper is caught NOT wearing an ASIC whilst investigating agas theft ? is he/she going to issue themselves a $550 fine ?
Is the Fire chief at, say, Dubbo going to ask the pilot if he/she could land in a field away from the terminal ? or maybe " can you please crash near the fence" ?
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Originally Posted by apache
So what about all the OTHER people who need / have airside access ?
ie the freight agents, meeting the freight planes; the ambulance people meeting the RFDS plane? the local police man who has to investigate anything and everything that goes on at the local airport? or the firemen who attend a potential "wheels up "?
Are ALL ambulance officers, firepeople, and policemen/women going to be issued ASIC's as well ? and what if the local copper is caught NOT wearing an ASIC whilst investigating agas theft ? is he/she going to issue themselves a $550 fine ?
Is the Fire chief at, say, Dubbo going to ask the pilot if he/she could land in a field away from the terminal ? or maybe " can you please crash near the fence" ?
ie the freight agents, meeting the freight planes; the ambulance people meeting the RFDS plane? the local police man who has to investigate anything and everything that goes on at the local airport? or the firemen who attend a potential "wheels up "?
Are ALL ambulance officers, firepeople, and policemen/women going to be issued ASIC's as well ? and what if the local copper is caught NOT wearing an ASIC whilst investigating agas theft ? is he/she going to issue themselves a $550 fine ?
Is the Fire chief at, say, Dubbo going to ask the pilot if he/she could land in a field away from the terminal ? or maybe " can you please crash near the fence" ?
Correct me if i am wrong guys
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My father is an emplyee of a state organisation listed below, incharge of emergencies at an international airport in Australia and HE IS REQUIRED TO SHOW AN ASIC at all times when airside, this includes pratise operations of the REAL thing, no ASIC no go.
Silly isnt it.
Taking about ASICs got mine in the mail yesterday 18/4 and it came with the stupid lanyard broken already! Wonder if they have a policy for faulty goods? After all we did BUY them
Silly isnt it.
Taking about ASICs got mine in the mail yesterday 18/4 and it came with the stupid lanyard broken already! Wonder if they have a policy for faulty goods? After all we did BUY them
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Had mine for over a month however, it and the licence are the most readily forgeable documents produced by a government department since federation.
Your average computer savvy schoolkid could knock one up in 20 odd minutes flat let alone our local nefarious genuine terrorist.
Taken it up with the Minister.
Watch this space.
DK
Your average computer savvy schoolkid could knock one up in 20 odd minutes flat let alone our local nefarious genuine terrorist.
Taken it up with the Minister.
Watch this space.
DK
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dear mr truss, you said in one of your worthless press releases that the integrity of security checks was vital. Why is it then that one of my students has had her ASIC card sent, but CASA can not tell her where it went or where it is.
Is there a stand outside CASA in Canberra where i can go and have one of those artists just draw a picture of myself on the front of a red piece of plastic??? will that do?? i can even scribble casa on the bottom with some of my crayons. That is how you are treating us right???
Is there a stand outside CASA in Canberra where i can go and have one of those artists just draw a picture of myself on the front of a red piece of plastic??? will that do?? i can even scribble casa on the bottom with some of my crayons. That is how you are treating us right???
My ASIC expired, (and I didn't realise, whoops) and I had been gaining access to airports throughout Australia NO QUESTIONS ASKED for several months. I understand glass houses and all that, BUT I do not support any of the DOTARs security measures, I see them as window dressing and at best a joke. This confirms it for me.
I was confronted by an NT DOTARs manager during a turn around, who just wanted to be a pain in the arse advising me I had to proceed through security as I walked across some imaginary line , only obvious in his imagination. Had he been doing his job he would have noticed that my ASIC wasn't current and should not have been there at all. He could have had the pleasure of fining me $500.
Every time we proceed airside in Perth, our ASIC's are checked by those morons who can't even stand up to have a proper look, again they would have realised that they were allowing, and in some cases opening the door to allow me airside without a valid ASIC.
I also was issued with a valid access card, i.e. access to all terminal doors around Aus, yet did not have a valid ASIC.
What hope have the poor old terrorists got of beating DOTARs? every chance.
JOKE is the only word for it.
I was confronted by an NT DOTARs manager during a turn around, who just wanted to be a pain in the arse advising me I had to proceed through security as I walked across some imaginary line , only obvious in his imagination. Had he been doing his job he would have noticed that my ASIC wasn't current and should not have been there at all. He could have had the pleasure of fining me $500.
Every time we proceed airside in Perth, our ASIC's are checked by those morons who can't even stand up to have a proper look, again they would have realised that they were allowing, and in some cases opening the door to allow me airside without a valid ASIC.
I also was issued with a valid access card, i.e. access to all terminal doors around Aus, yet did not have a valid ASIC.
What hope have the poor old terrorists got of beating DOTARs? every chance.
JOKE is the only word for it.
Heres a thought, having just read the Aust. Govt request for anti terrorist information in the Aviation Trader (& no doubt other publications)- we should sell them any information that comes to hand for the sum of $135 per piece. The gall of them- charge me $135 for an Avid then ask me to volunteer any information that I might pick up while flying using my Avid.
www.nationalsecurity.gov.au What a joke.
www.nationalsecurity.gov.au What a joke.
If they don't answer the third email I've sent them asking where my ASIC is (applied in October - they haven't answered one yet) I'm going to start sending letters to ministers etc, for what it's worth - probably only the satisfaction of feeling like I've done something; doubt if it will get any action.
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Have had a positive experience so far - Submitted my ASIC application via Registered Post in early March and received my ASIC (via registered post) 3 days ago. All told, a processing time of approx 6 - 7 weeks.
Fark!
Fark!
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While I had a fairly painless experience obtaining said bit o' plastic..applied Dec 17th and received it....or a ASIC holding mate in Brissy did...several days before the deadline and valid to January 2008...I firmly agree with all the negative posts...it IS a vaste waste of time and resources...ours.
I hear QF staff are having a hard time getting their ASICs renewed and being forced to get daily passes issued to go flying...why?
Because QF were so snowed under doing CASA/DOTARS job that they fell behind with their own staff.
It would be funny except....well it's not
I hear QF staff are having a hard time getting their ASICs renewed and being forced to get daily passes issued to go flying...why?
Because QF were so snowed under doing CASA/DOTARS job that they fell behind with their own staff.
It would be funny except....well it's not
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As someone who finds Australia Post quite unreliable, I am quite concerned that they post ASICs - even by registered post (I have had registered post go missing). That's not exactly a secure delivery method, is it?
Originally Posted by aero979
casa told me yesterday all asics will be delivered via registered mail. She said there had been some issues with them being issued through qantas! haha... really??!
"No sorry I need to see 100 points of ID."
"Well this ASIC is current and it has my photo on it."
"Sorry son that doesn't count for anything."
What an absolute f%^$#ng joke.
