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Even were they to have "known this would happen" when they opened Pandoras Box, and I am still arguing that it did not become "known" until a fair way through the process, (I said earlier there are still a large number of unforeseen wrinkles bubbling to the surface) in the absence of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the reply from Government would have been the same.
"We have made a committment to the travelling and set a date, it is not negotiable."
"We have made a committment to the travelling and set a date, it is not negotiable."
The agencies are run ragged to try and meet the unrealistic and arbitrary political timescale.
We (and everybody who steps onto an airport) are being told to compy (under penalty of fines or possible incarceration) with vaguely worded directives, and in-effect, are being told to find out for ourselves exactly what we should be complying with.
I can appreciate the scale and amount of work going on behind the scenes, but if the governments desired goal is so important, then it required much better preparation before implementation, or else a reevaluation of the implementation and timescale is required yesterday. but a reevaluation won't happen because it'd embarrass or humiliate the politicians.
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Already too late for GOANA
18/1/06 Government policy puts GOANA out of business
from the December 2005 issue of the leading American magazine, Flying.
"End of an Era
Fallout from global security efforts continues to plague aviation companies. GOANA (Great Outback Air Navigation Adventure) Australian Air Safaris is the latest casualty. According to GOANA’s Mal Shipton, recently introduced legislation designed to improve Australia’s “homeland” security makes it virtually impossible for the company to continue to conduct its commercial operation.
Shipton said, that the legislation, the “Enhanced Aviation Security Package,” would require literally thousands of visitor permits every year (one for each visit to each airport by each individual), a pilot license acquisition procedure that will take an inordinate time even after you correctly answer every question in the nine pages of the application, and it won’t be issued until your arrival immigration details are verified “within 24 to 48 hours.” The cost has jumped from $60 to $175 with this figure expected to quadruple to meet the cost recovery objectives stated by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
Further, an initial security background check will cost $200 and there is currently a three-month backlog. Over a period of some 12 years, the company provided aerial safaris to participants who flew more than 40,000 flight hours in the GPS equipped 172s without a single injury, but the stiff new requirements have forced the company to sell its fleet and cease operation."
from the December 2005 issue of the leading American magazine, Flying.
"End of an Era
Fallout from global security efforts continues to plague aviation companies. GOANA (Great Outback Air Navigation Adventure) Australian Air Safaris is the latest casualty. According to GOANA’s Mal Shipton, recently introduced legislation designed to improve Australia’s “homeland” security makes it virtually impossible for the company to continue to conduct its commercial operation.
Shipton said, that the legislation, the “Enhanced Aviation Security Package,” would require literally thousands of visitor permits every year (one for each visit to each airport by each individual), a pilot license acquisition procedure that will take an inordinate time even after you correctly answer every question in the nine pages of the application, and it won’t be issued until your arrival immigration details are verified “within 24 to 48 hours.” The cost has jumped from $60 to $175 with this figure expected to quadruple to meet the cost recovery objectives stated by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
Further, an initial security background check will cost $200 and there is currently a three-month backlog. Over a period of some 12 years, the company provided aerial safaris to participants who flew more than 40,000 flight hours in the GPS equipped 172s without a single injury, but the stiff new requirements have forced the company to sell its fleet and cease operation."
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ASIC's are not exactly a new thing.
They have been around for years, as has the system for issuing them.
The addition of terrorism related offenses to the check list is pretty simple.
My point is, any number of issuing bodies can tell you how long it takes to create one. Simple maths. Time by numbers. Simple.
Why oh why were the bugs not ironed out before this system was brought online?
Many issuing bodies have been doing this for years, problem free.
They have been around for years, as has the system for issuing them.
The addition of terrorism related offenses to the check list is pretty simple.
My point is, any number of issuing bodies can tell you how long it takes to create one. Simple maths. Time by numbers. Simple.
Why oh why were the bugs not ironed out before this system was brought online?
Many issuing bodies have been doing this for years, problem free.
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Gaunty.
The station name was Banjawarn and yes the cult did develop and test sarin gas there. No it never came into or out of Australia by air. it was made with ingredients that were purchased in the city and driven up to the station (it was assembeled in my old bedroom actually). then the receipe was taken back to Japan and the gas built there.
It never was aimed at australians, Australian aircraft, Australian air travelers.
It was never transported by any RPT carrier, and no amount of security measures that are being implemented would have changed a damn thing.
I also believe that if they had of attempted to transport any of the componants via air, niether the ridiculous attempt at security fencing, nor the security checking of the pilots flying the aircraft (coz they would have been pax, as are 99.9% of hijackers and other bad guy types) would have made any differance what so ever.
Really bad example to use in an attempt at justifying this crap Gazza. (sorry)
I think if you have a look at the history of Australian aviation, you will find no past events that would have been avoided by the implementation of these stupid and unprecidented regulations and measures.
Really!, look closer Garry. see it for what it really is. A knee jerk reaction by politicians and an attempt, at our expense, to be seen to be doing something in the WAT.
What was the name of the station near you out the back of nowehere, that that Japanese cult (was it the Moonies or Mooners. ) used to make their Sarin gas and did they fly in and out of Oz with it. sorry
It never was aimed at australians, Australian aircraft, Australian air travelers.
It was never transported by any RPT carrier, and no amount of security measures that are being implemented would have changed a damn thing.
I also believe that if they had of attempted to transport any of the componants via air, niether the ridiculous attempt at security fencing, nor the security checking of the pilots flying the aircraft (coz they would have been pax, as are 99.9% of hijackers and other bad guy types) would have made any differance what so ever.
Really bad example to use in an attempt at justifying this crap Gazza. (sorry)
I think if you have a look at the history of Australian aviation, you will find no past events that would have been avoided by the implementation of these stupid and unprecidented regulations and measures.
Really!, look closer Garry. see it for what it really is. A knee jerk reaction by politicians and an attempt, at our expense, to be seen to be doing something in the WAT.
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Fair cop mate and I wasn't having a go at you, just trying to point that we simply don't know where the bad guys are, or coming from.
It's true in the past there haven't been, but this all designed to reduce the possible risk to the lowest practically achievable to prevent what has happened elsewhere.
Yesterday the local plod raided some scums home and found a rocket/grenade launcher with rounds, high velocity sniper type rifle with laser sight, several high powered hand guns amongst the usual asian martial arts sh!t. He has been unable to explain so far why it is necessary to own or have these items on or in his possesion and how they got into the country?
I'm with you, very angry that what we knew as Aussiestralia has had to come to this and the people who have brought us to it.
Licenses for high powered rifles like the .303 were controlled in the farming community for necessary use and if you've been sitting in one of those half tank corrugated iron dunnies reading the paper one night by the light of a kero lamp and had a bullet come in one side and out the other between you and the Daily News you now what I mean. I found the farmer responsible easily, no need for the plod and we agreed that I should put a lamp on the roof as well.
I reckon part of their rehabilitation should be a long stint in the Aussie outback, where they will find out about things like self reliance, looking after yourself and your mates out of necessity, you know what I mean and where grenade launcers and high powered rifles, nunchukas, samurai swords and all the rest of that crapola are no bloody good or help to your ultimate survival.
See how thye get on digging for water with a samurai sword.
Fair cop mate and I wasn't having a go at you, just trying to point that we simply don't know where the bad guys are, or coming from.
It's true in the past there haven't been, but this all designed to reduce the possible risk to the lowest practically achievable to prevent what has happened elsewhere.
Yesterday the local plod raided some scums home and found a rocket/grenade launcher with rounds, high velocity sniper type rifle with laser sight, several high powered hand guns amongst the usual asian martial arts sh!t. He has been unable to explain so far why it is necessary to own or have these items on or in his possesion and how they got into the country?
I'm with you, very angry that what we knew as Aussiestralia has had to come to this and the people who have brought us to it.
Licenses for high powered rifles like the .303 were controlled in the farming community for necessary use and if you've been sitting in one of those half tank corrugated iron dunnies reading the paper one night by the light of a kero lamp and had a bullet come in one side and out the other between you and the Daily News you now what I mean. I found the farmer responsible easily, no need for the plod and we agreed that I should put a lamp on the roof as well.
I reckon part of their rehabilitation should be a long stint in the Aussie outback, where they will find out about things like self reliance, looking after yourself and your mates out of necessity, you know what I mean and where grenade launcers and high powered rifles, nunchukas, samurai swords and all the rest of that crapola are no bloody good or help to your ultimate survival.
See how thye get on digging for water with a samurai sword.
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Student pilot applied for his asic in July 2005. On querying its status he was told he never filled in the forms and that he needs to do so and cough up some dollars. Sounds to me like CASA is just dumping all those applications in to the "lost" or "you didn't really put the forms in" basket and asking you to cough up the 2006 fees.
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tealady Really, I don't doubt what you say, but did he really?
Ask him for and show CASA the receipt for his SPL application and go from there, the rest is just idle speculation.
I'm sure I won the lotto the other night but I just can't find the ticket.
Ask him for and show CASA the receipt for his SPL application and go from there, the rest is just idle speculation.
I'm sure I won the lotto the other night but I just can't find the ticket.
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Funnily enough CASA finally pulled my ASIC fee out of the credit card this week... could I be expecting a bright shiny bit of red plastic to turn up in the near future???
Nahh that'd be too much to expect, surely.
Nahh that'd be too much to expect, surely.
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I figured CASA might end up with a backlog of ASIC applications so applied with the bloke at Merimbula. It took 6 weeks which wasn't too bad, especially after I heard some of the war stories that others have 
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Originally Posted by kookabat
Funnily enough CASA finally pulled my ASIC fee out of the credit card this week... could I be expecting a bright shiny bit of red plastic to turn up in the near future???
Nahh that'd be too much to expect, surely.
Nahh that'd be too much to expect, surely.
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Why lodge your ASICS with CASA - there are plenty of other agencies out there that do it and probably much faster too, see: http://www.dotars.gov.au/transsec/av...operators.aspx
or, http://www.aopa.com.au/ - if this appeals to you...???
Why lodge your ASICS with CASA - there are plenty of other agencies out there that do it and probably much faster too, see: http://www.dotars.gov.au/transsec/av...operators.aspx
or, http://www.aopa.com.au/ - if this appeals to you...???
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After 5 months of waiting it seems I have scraped into the "6 month old photo deadline"! Rang the lovely people 
at CASA yesterday and got told I had cleared the ASIO checks and the paperwork was "back at CASA for processing". Hopefully it isn't too far away.
at CASA yesterday and got told I had cleared the ASIO checks and the paperwork was "back at CASA for processing". Hopefully it isn't too far away.
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A colleague of mine has just raised a valid point;
Does this mean we will have this schmozzle occur again in two years time, when EVERYONE reapplies to have their new ASIC issued?
Just a thought.
An ASIC is valid for two years before being renewed
Just a thought.