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Commentary to the video mentioned sudden gust of wind just before "arrival"... more like cross wind disappeared over the threshold if you look at what he is doing after he went over the fence.
Obviously not lined up at any stage on the centre line cos he sure gave the right rudder pedal a belting...about the time he should have given the left peddle a nudge.
This arrival could sit well amongst some of the doozies on R13 at KaiTak.
Perhaps he was trying to replicate the JetBlue sound and light show, albeit with a new and interesting technique.
Those Bus thingies are a bit sloppy over the threshold which also wouldnt have helped him.
Brand new piece of kit so assume this will put TG's New York direct schedule in a somewhat difficult situation.
Bad hair day but glad everyone walked away.
Obviously not lined up at any stage on the centre line cos he sure gave the right rudder pedal a belting...about the time he should have given the left peddle a nudge.
This arrival could sit well amongst some of the doozies on R13 at KaiTak.
Perhaps he was trying to replicate the JetBlue sound and light show, albeit with a new and interesting technique.
Those Bus thingies are a bit sloppy over the threshold which also wouldnt have helped him.
Brand new piece of kit so assume this will put TG's New York direct schedule in a somewhat difficult situation.
Bad hair day but glad everyone walked away.
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TG was probably just squaring up for the damage OJH did to the ILS, peri track, lighting and the 12th green at BKK...
Wonder if the CVR makes for interesting listening?
Can't help but wonder if the topic of an RTO might have come up "below five thousand"?
OK, I know, wait for the report to come out...
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Wonder if the CVR makes for interesting listening?
Can't help but wonder if the topic of an RTO might have come up "below five thousand"?
OK, I know, wait for the report to come out...
VHCU
My guess is the guy in the LHS has lots of hours but not on the Bus....and probably not many (if any) landings into YMML. twas the 777 doing it up till now.
The CVR will probably show nothing as these particular moments in history often pass without comment...especially from the F/O.
No doubt he should have gone around but these days the mind-set is land.... at X$ a barrel.
He probably had enough holding to get back to BKK given it has the legs to go BKK-JFK!!
As to the 12th green...they may well have a couple of new caddies there soon enough!!
The CVR will probably show nothing as these particular moments in history often pass without comment...especially from the F/O.
No doubt he should have gone around but these days the mind-set is land.... at X$ a barrel.
He probably had enough holding to get back to BKK given it has the legs to go BKK-JFK!!
As to the 12th green...they may well have a couple of new caddies there soon enough!!
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HFX - think you'll find it was the MD-11 doing the day trips into ML up until the recent addition of the A346. The night arrival from Sydney is either a B743/4 - depends on the day.
Been many a moon since ML saw a Thai T7...
Cheers,
Soulman.
Been many a moon since ML saw a Thai T7...
Cheers,
Soulman.
Correct..it is an A-345 which TG bought to do BKK-JFK.
As I understand from my spies in BKK the bidding system favoured long haul and so few on the 345 have bus experience....QED
As I understand from my spies in BKK the bidding system favoured long haul and so few on the 345 have bus experience....QED
Can anyone advise what the ATIS was or the actual conditions? I find that usually, ATC advise the wind direction and strength to most aircraft whilst on finals when winds are inordinately strong.
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ATIS YMML W 260029
+ RWY: 27 FOR ARR. RWY 34 FOR DEP NE,
RWY 27 FOR ALL OTHER DEP
+ OPR INFO:
+ WND: 310/8-18,
MXW 14KTS RWY 27
VIS: GREATER THAN 10 KM
CLD: BKN035
+ TMP: 20
QNH: 999
+ SIGWX:
ATIS YMML X 260120
RWY: 27 FOR ARR. RWY 34 FOR DEP NE,
RWY 27 FOR ALL OTHER DEP
+ WND: 290/8-18,
MXW 12KTS BOTH RWYS
VIS: GREATER THAN 10 KM
+ CLD: BKN045
+ TMP: 21
QNH: 999
ATIS YMML Y 260130
+ RWY: 27
+ WND: 230-280/18-30,
MXW 14KTS
VIS: GREATER THAN 10 KM
CLD: BKN045
+ TMP: 19
QNH: 999
ATIS YMML N 260209
RWY: NOT AVBL
SFC COND: ALL RWYS OOS DUE PAVEMENT DAMAGE
WND: 230-280/18-30
VIS: GREATER THAN 10 KM
CLD: BKN045
TMP: 17
QNH: 1000
I don't know why it went from Y to N instead of A but N appears to be the next ATIS.
+ RWY: 27 FOR ARR. RWY 34 FOR DEP NE,
RWY 27 FOR ALL OTHER DEP
+ OPR INFO:
+ WND: 310/8-18,
MXW 14KTS RWY 27
VIS: GREATER THAN 10 KM
CLD: BKN035
+ TMP: 20
QNH: 999
+ SIGWX:
ATIS YMML X 260120
RWY: 27 FOR ARR. RWY 34 FOR DEP NE,
RWY 27 FOR ALL OTHER DEP
+ WND: 290/8-18,
MXW 12KTS BOTH RWYS
VIS: GREATER THAN 10 KM
+ CLD: BKN045
+ TMP: 21
QNH: 999
ATIS YMML Y 260130
+ RWY: 27
+ WND: 230-280/18-30,
MXW 14KTS
VIS: GREATER THAN 10 KM
CLD: BKN045
+ TMP: 19
QNH: 999
ATIS YMML N 260209
RWY: NOT AVBL
SFC COND: ALL RWYS OOS DUE PAVEMENT DAMAGE
WND: 230-280/18-30
VIS: GREATER THAN 10 KM
CLD: BKN045
TMP: 17
QNH: 1000
I don't know why it went from Y to N instead of A but N appears to be the next ATIS.
Played the video three times and this is what I observed.
If it is a storng gust of wind ,it is likely to push the whole a/c drift towards the downwind side and lift the right wing a little.Instead,the tail sway suddenly to the left(downwind side) and wings maintain level. It looks like a deliberate ruddur input and cross control to keep wings level. This is done as per conventional a/c as the a/c is now below 100ft where the flight control system is in direct law.
The blown tyre is the no 1 tyre.( left move forward) If the cross wind landing technic is correct,this should be the last tyre to touch down. It would not have suffer excesive stress causing it to tear into pieces. A340-5/600 has a set of additional body boggy and the main wing boggies are tilted at large angle. All the weight and stress would have been absorbed by all the other tyres before no 1 touch down,right?
Would it be the case that wrong rudder input caused the tail to sway left resulting some dutch roll and further left wing down input made the left gear to touch down first instead of the right gear first. Plus the additional flight control deflection induces more drag causing the a/c to sink like a rock? Of course,gusty condition like that is definately bad as the A330/340 thrust lags badly in gust.
I don't mean to put the crew down,but this is just my observation and welcome all feed back and disagreement.
If it is a storng gust of wind ,it is likely to push the whole a/c drift towards the downwind side and lift the right wing a little.Instead,the tail sway suddenly to the left(downwind side) and wings maintain level. It looks like a deliberate ruddur input and cross control to keep wings level. This is done as per conventional a/c as the a/c is now below 100ft where the flight control system is in direct law.
The blown tyre is the no 1 tyre.( left move forward) If the cross wind landing technic is correct,this should be the last tyre to touch down. It would not have suffer excesive stress causing it to tear into pieces. A340-5/600 has a set of additional body boggy and the main wing boggies are tilted at large angle. All the weight and stress would have been absorbed by all the other tyres before no 1 touch down,right?
Would it be the case that wrong rudder input caused the tail to sway left resulting some dutch roll and further left wing down input made the left gear to touch down first instead of the right gear first. Plus the additional flight control deflection induces more drag causing the a/c to sink like a rock? Of course,gusty condition like that is definately bad as the A330/340 thrust lags badly in gust.
I don't mean to put the crew down,but this is just my observation and welcome all feed back and disagreement.
Amos is probably correct.
He was still chasing the centreline over the fence with the rudder and should have pressed to TOGA button well before he got in that position.
Likely that the cross wind dropped off early and he lost the plot.
He was still chasing the centreline over the fence with the rudder and should have pressed to TOGA button well before he got in that position.
Likely that the cross wind dropped off early and he lost the plot.
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Yes I agree He pushed the wrong rudder in the flare
The bus has a very powerfull rudder and you only get that much movement if you kick to much rudder, let alone the wrong one
If you check the video closely watch the tail move with the wrong input, the gust would have to be huge to effect a big a/c like that
The bus has a very powerfull rudder and you only get that much movement if you kick to much rudder, let alone the wrong one
If you check the video closely watch the tail move with the wrong input, the gust would have to be huge to effect a big a/c like that
