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Old 11th Apr 2005, 01:11
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It sure is amazing how the experts that are not on the strip or in the area come to the rescue of this rogue operator, no real knowledge of the situation that is happening and defend him at all costs WHY,we are here and see all the problems first hand (but hey you must not talk to each other about it as that is piss***g them off) but we do expect a few wan***s to support as they have not got the safety aspect in there mind (just jump,dance or whatever) I suppose that is in the nature of the divers as they jump off towers,bridges and the like that is also mostly illegal (some do get permission) as they get a thrill bugger anybody elses safety I am OK jack.

The APF surely must not be condoning this attitude, if it does well what do you do to get things back to a safe condition?

1./ Stop jumping through cloud cover.
2./ Jump in another spot that does not have any conflicting traffic,as you stated a while back people here have tried to help in another location.
3./ Educate the divers about the rights of others to survive and not be hit by a jumper under canopy or worse in free fall. In either case aircraft and diver will be fighting to survive it.
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Old 12th Apr 2005, 00:22
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Gday

Did I see someone dancing in and out of Centrelink accompanied buy a large gentleman the other day?

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Talking Not Dancing today??

Went past BHA today. No sign of ANY skydive ops. Hangar locked. Rumour has it the Bayley has bailed out!

This will make ops impossible I assume.

Can't see too many being willing to volunteer as Jumpmaster for this outfit!
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Hi pall

Rumour has it the old bald guy is not dancing boy’s partner anymore.

Word is the C182 that arrived at BHA this week is Bayley’s and he is going to start up his own outfit.

Guess the old bloke can see an opportunity as dancing boy is without a jumpmaster and all the promotional work has been done.

If this is correct the boy will dance up a storm.

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Devil Love That Daredevil Flying!!

If that is the 182 that landed last week that I was there, the pilot did a very SPECIAL landing.

A passing motorist came in to complain that the aircraft had come in too low (on app to 35) over her car and frightened her.

Stangely she had skydived with the dancing boy in the past and was fully aware of his reputation.

Perhaps the pilot is establishing himself at BHA. Make a big impression every time you land and people will surely take you seriously.

Keeping up the fine tradition
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Old 19th Apr 2005, 02:59
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Have seen at this airport a few years back when a student thought he was in the submarine corps. came in that low a pushbike rider had to duck down an if he had not would have been taken out by the right hand wheel of a C150

Numerous times over the years large fast machines have had to watch for buses landing on 35 (the plane not the buses) as the hot day and no wind situation can be tricky for fasties.

If he keeps that up the impression may be visible (ssppllaattt) just like a bug, so is the dancing dude out or what?
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Is it correct that the dancing boy has been put out of action for 28 days following further breaches at the weekend?

Rumor has it that after the fat man bayled out he made arrangements for the loan of a safety officer for the weekend so the boy could dance.

The fat man carried out his own surveilance, and guess what?
He apparently witnessed parachuting through cloud. surprise! surprise!

What does he do? He gets on the phone to the safety officer and reports what he has seen.The parachute safety officer takes the action that should have been taken years ago and suspends operation for 28 days.

Remember I mentioned recently about the CASA notice?

Well I just seen another document from CASA and you would not believe the irresponsible dribble that CASA has proposed for the operations at Barwon Heads.

Option 1--CASA has submitted a proposal on behalf of the boy to change circuit directions according to the wind direction to comply with what the boy wants. This will make the airfield even more dangerous with continual changes of circuit directions. Great conditions for visiting pilots and students.

Option 2--It has been suggested to me that this is real fantasy land stuff.
"Odd and evens- uses current parachute drop zone.
Zone-a 3km zone around Barwon Heads ALA
Away drop zone-A drop zone established outside the 3km zone
Evens example;
Even Hours-6,8.10,12,14,16,18,
Parachute operations only within the 3km zone
Parachutists must be on the ground befor the odd hour strikes. (PIC responsible to ensure a suitable buffer period available prior to a drop within the zone. Alternatively an away drop zone may be used)
Fixed and rotary wing ops must be on the ground or clear of the 3km zone prior to the even hour striking.
Considerations;
During even hours fixed and rotary wing operators will need to plan operations in advance
FW & RW operators may depart the 3km zone prior to the even hour
In order to facilitate opertations out of zone activities could be upper airwork exercises, navigation exercises or circuits at another location.
Odds example;
Odd Hours - 7,9,11,13,15,17,
Fixed and rotary wing operations only within 3km zone
Parachutists must be on the ground befor the odd hour stikes.
Fixed and rotary wing ops must be on the ground or clear of the zone prior to the even hour striking.
During the odd hours local parachute operators will need to plan operations in advance
In order to facilitate parachute operations aircraft carrying parachutists can depart the zone during fixed wing operations time slots but must not drop any parachutist in the zone. Away drop zones must be established. (Outside 3km from Barwon"

Is CASA for real, they say that McWilliam and Bayly are unwilling and unable to comply with Civil Aviation Regulations and listed in excess of 100 breaches of the regulations.

What have CASA done? Nothing and here they are supporting a chronic rule breaker without penalty and pushing his barrow to get back on the Barwon Heads airfield.

Those in CASA supporting this parachute operation should resign immediately because they are not considering the safety of all aviators.

Keep watching for the next chapter.
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This seems to prove that the migration of mandarins from the ATO to CASA is well and truly under way. Only someone familiar with something as complex as our tax legislation could POSSIBLY have come up with such a Byzantine proposal.

I would rather try to decode the Rosetta Stone than attempt to understand this... For me, and I suspect for others, BHA = Permanent No Fly Zone if this scheme goes ahead.

And with all those alleged breaches, isn't there some likelihood of a court case with penalties to be applied if found against the subject? Why, then, would CASA be considering bending over backwards for the same (allegedly) dodgy operator?

Baffling...

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A passing motorist came in to complain that the aircraft had come in too low (on app to 35) over her car and frightened her.
A 'passing motorist' eh? There's a wonderful judge of all things aviation related. I trust if a 'passing motorist' said you flew too close to her house, you would give that observation as much creedence.
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John surely you jest, if CASA has come up with that crap they too have lost the plot, why will anyone abide by aviation regulations if this miscreant can abuse, ignore and be in contempt of regulations to the extent that he has and be seemingly protected by this insane rendition that has been proposed.

Dancing boy cannot seem to be able to follow regs. at any time so what is this utter crap trying to prove (that Casa can make rules) that will be ignored anyhow. The report earlier said his cohort is now going to be dropping in his own right that sure is good advertising that the dancing boy is at wrong and he thinks he will be able to do it better and safer (me tinks not, leopods do not change spots, only Lucky Luke can change spots to suit himself) I am at a loss to understand why the Airport Owner has not dropped the hammer on his Ops. as he has proved to be unsafe and not following the rules set down in the first place?

As VH- cheer up has said the excess ATO staff may now be trying to be aviation experts ( x=unknown ,spert= drip under pressure old one but true) anyone designed a quadrantal rule for BH flying Ops. sure need one if this comes in hey?
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From todays Geelong Advertiser and I notice dancing boys reply said nothing about being banned for 28 days by the APF for dropping through cloud again.

Skydiving conflict

Thursday, April 21
REBECCA TUCKER

SKYDIVING has been banned from anywhere near the Barwon Heads Airport.
Australia's aviation watchdog has not ruled out taking the ban further to outlaw Skydive City owner Luke McWilliam from the nation's skies.

Civil Aviation Safety Authority spokesman Peter Gibson yesterday said Mr McWilliam's operations would be monitored at other aerodromes.

``As the order stands now, he just can't skydive at Barwon Heads aerodrome,'' Mr Gibson said.

The authority's order precludes any parachute descent within a 4km radius of the Barwon Heads Airport.

It comes after Mr McWilliam late last year successfully won a Federal Court appeal against an earlier skydiving ban against his company after five years of complaints his company had breached safety regulations.

Since 1999 the authority has received more than 90 complaints against Skydive City from pilots, other operators and the community.

Mr McWilliam was last July given a good behaviour bond and ordered to pay Geelong Hospital $10,000 after he pleaded guilty in Geelong Magistrate's Court to 20 counts of jumping through cloud illegal under civil aviation regulations.

Mr Gibson said the order would remain until the authority finalised a new mandated procedure for skydivers and other pilots to share the skies.

He said authority officers were this week visiting Barwon Heads airport to negotiate the procedure with airport users.

It could lead to parachutists using the skies at particular times of the day to prevent conflict of use.

Or, Mr Gibson said, the sharing of the skies could be a physical separation.

``If such an order was mandated, it would lift the ban,'' he said.

``This is an attempt by us to try and see if we can find a way to maintain safe operations for everyone who uses the aerodrome.''

Mr McWilliam yesterday said the authority's action was not taken against him or his company, but to ensure all airport users were happy.

Are we happy NOT YET but soon I think.

Safe flying

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Red face IT WAS ME!

LUKEATME,

Yeah I was the the submariner who at 40hrs couldn't get it together onto the strip in the C150. As I am sure you know. As a fellow cyclist I was most distressed at my lack of judgement.
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Honest I did not know who it was just remembered when the other story was told.

Sorry if it did look like I was shooting at you, got an idea that it will happen every time that direction is used and a hot day with A/C performance down because of it, but now it comes back to me (bloody hell memory takes a good jog to use it sometimes hey) sure hope skydivers never have to land in those conditions with the jumpers aboard!!!!
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HO HO HO THIS D*CKHEAD HAS TO GO

The Geelong Advertiser Saturday 23-4-05

Ban on sky jumps

Saturday, April 23
Rebecca Tucker

SKYDIVE City has been shut down for one month after the company was found to have breached safety regulations.
The Australian Parachute Federation has added another ban on the already-restricted company and its operator Luke McWilliam.
Australia's aviation watchdog, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, earlier this month banned all parachutists jumping within a 4.8km radius of Barwon Heads Airport.
That ban was imposed after repeated reports of safety breaches.
But the federation's 28-day suspension only affects Skydive City and was made after allegations the company was last weekend jumping through cloud.
The practice is banned under aviation safety regulations.
Federation chief executive officer Graeme Windsor yesterday confirmed the ban.
Mr Windsor said the federation's ruling effectively prevented Mr McWilliam and the company from taking to the skies.
The federation is skydiving's representative body but also has delegated power from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority to enforce safety rules.
Authority spokesman Peter Gibson said Mr McWilliam remained under investigation to ensure he did not continue to breach safety regulations.
The authority will consider a further ban on Skydive City if it finds the company does not abide by rules.
The authority first tried to ban the company last year following more than 90 complaints against him since 1999.
Mr McWilliam won a Federal Court appeal against the ban and has been in the skies until this week's suspension.
He was last July given a good behaviour bond and ordered to pay Geelong Hospital $10,000 after he pleaded guilty in Geelong Magistrates' Court to 20 counts of jumping through cloud illegal under civil aviation regulations.
Mr McWilliam did not return the Geelong Advertiser's calls yesterday.

All I have to add is POL

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Old 24th Apr 2005, 23:15
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Gday POL

Surely CASA will take this up now that the APF has finally woken up YAWN YAWN and laughing boy will find himself back in the Geelong Magistrates Court facing all those charges again.
You are not far wrong with your discription of him.

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"Skydiver Dies After Legs Severed in Midair

ASSOCIATED PRESS

DELAND, Fla. (AP) - A skydiving cinematographer was killed after his legs were severed in a midair collision with the airplane he had jumped from, authorities said."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...042409033.html
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I do not see the point being from this post as this is not about seeing the death of this poor soul, this area has been about the dangerous acts by the irresponsible operator of this outfit being constant breaches of the LAW and maybe the result that you describe could happen here but no one likes to see an accident.

This forum on the events here are constant worries by this operator creating the atmosphere that a serious accident could happen and he showed his true colours at a different jump zone giving him the 28 day penalty by the APF (perhaps they now see the POINT) he has to be stopped or WAKE UP to his attitude and demeanor.
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Good to see that APF CEO Grumpy Windsor has finally woken up to himself, or has CASA put pressure on, and approved a ban on the dancing boy cash cow. Not before time but only 28 days.

What about all the reports of breaches of regulations I hear about in the last twelve months APF? Are we going to investigate those reports or do you only investigate reports from your own?It looks like the fat man that bayled out has put the boy in and is now going to try and reap the benefits and set up in opposition. Maybe the APF has done a deal with the fat man. You tell us what we want to get rid of the dancing boy and you take over. The boy is causing us to much trouble.

My inside man has told me that CASA has interviewed many at Barwon Heads last week and the opinion is that CASA are representing the dancing boy to drop back on the airport. They refused to discuss slot times as well they should. It would never work but from CASAs side it was worth a try. Give the boy 13 hours a days to operate and the owner of the airfield 6 hours.
That is fair system, but then thats CASA.

CASA heads will have to roll if they let him back on the airfield because they have already stated in writing that the dancing boy and the fat man cannot follow civil aviation regulations.From memory I believe the CASA document I saw also said that there would be a collision between a parachutist and aircraft if parachuting was allowed on the airfield at Barwon Heads.

So can someone explain what CASA are up to. Why are they so determined to get the boy back on the airfield, maybe to tangle with his toy boy.

My man said it was a joy to fly at Barwon Heads this weekend as he did not have to worry about the dirt darts.
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 10:30
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The point of the post was give a current reference of the consequences for the type of activies referred to. This is what can happen.
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 14:23
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Shame on you Deaf for including this link. It has nothing to do with the point you all are supposedly discussing.
struck the left wing of the DHC-6 Twin Otter propeller plane at about 600 feet
At 600 feet he most certainly would have been under canopy and unless he was already under a reserve, which is not mentioned, he would have been within the grounds of the airport and on approach. As for conditions, it was in Florida.

Refering to the death of this man is a cheap shot and unnecessary. It also has no bearing on any events at Barwon Heads. If you want to draw any conclusion from it, perhaps it should be that aircraft, not skydivers are the ones who should be banned.
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