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Awwww, c'mon 8bars or whatever....................we gotta see this girl. She must sure be somethin!!??
Oh and NASA are talkin about another lunar landing too.......................send em your CV!
Oh and NASA are talkin about another lunar landing too.......................send em your CV!
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Would our friends that object to the usefulness of instructing time like to elaborate? And please ensure you do elaborate and not just assume whatever point you think that you have is obvious to all and sundry.
I for one am pretty sure I've meet a few (ummmm lets see.....ahhh, most of) twin turbine, airline FO's who's total time is made up entirely of instructing (obviously less dual). Also please advise if you yourselves have instructed.
Money where mouth's are fellas.
cub.
I for one am pretty sure I've meet a few (ummmm lets see.....ahhh, most of) twin turbine, airline FO's who's total time is made up entirely of instructing (obviously less dual). Also please advise if you yourselves have instructed.
Money where mouth's are fellas.
cub.
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It's obviously a bit different in Aus, the're talking about 1500/500 min for a proper twin tubine job! Your coments are quite correct, I'd say about half have no air trasport experience.
It's obviously a bit different in Aus, the're talking about 1500/500 min for a proper twin tubine job! Your coments are quite correct, I'd say about half have no air trasport experience.
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Good point. Things are very different between Aus and NZ. Why is it though that instructing time can be worth so little in Aus and not be a problem in NZ?
The main point to my post was that if people want to make a generalised statement, why don't they give valid reasons for what they say and not assume that everyone agrees at the outset.
Their post's are otherwise junk mail to me.
Cub.
The main point to my post was that if people want to make a generalised statement, why don't they give valid reasons for what they say and not assume that everyone agrees at the outset.
Their post's are otherwise junk mail to me. Cub.
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I think the comments about the usefulness of instructing are minority views based on ignorance.
The fact is that Eagle and Air Nelson prefer air trasport time over instructing. That is not to say that instructing is worthless, but particularly with respect to Multi IFR time, ATO experience developes hands on skill and operational awareness. The flipside of this is that instructors tend to have better legal and proceedural groundings (ie they fly better holding patterns).
Either way I wouldn't worry too much as the shortage of suitably qualified pilots at the moment means that none of the airlines can be too picky - Air Nelson wouldn't even look at anyone with less than 100 hours air transport for a Saab job untill recently (I think this is a requirement of part 121 - but they are able to get individual dispensations from the CAA, and do).
IMO it is best to have a mixture of instructing and air transport experience, this also makes it easier to transition into check and training further down the track.
I think the comments about the usefulness of instructing are minority views based on ignorance.
The fact is that Eagle and Air Nelson prefer air trasport time over instructing. That is not to say that instructing is worthless, but particularly with respect to Multi IFR time, ATO experience developes hands on skill and operational awareness. The flipside of this is that instructors tend to have better legal and proceedural groundings (ie they fly better holding patterns).
Either way I wouldn't worry too much as the shortage of suitably qualified pilots at the moment means that none of the airlines can be too picky - Air Nelson wouldn't even look at anyone with less than 100 hours air transport for a Saab job untill recently (I think this is a requirement of part 121 - but they are able to get individual dispensations from the CAA, and do).
IMO it is best to have a mixture of instructing and air transport experience, this also makes it easier to transition into check and training further down the track.
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Yep I could'nt agree more. Let Cloud Clutter's reasoned, educated and mature points be an example to all on what a good thread post should resemble. Not just half-arsed assumption.
I don't mind what peoples views are far be it for me to disagree but at least have a point or two.
Personally I don't have any worries about the make up of my time. Like you say airlines can't pick and choose at the moment to a large extent. But even if things swing around again there is always a market for Instructors with 1500 hours plus in senior instructor or CFI positions. Its not a dead end avenue and ATO job's in NZ won't be too hard to get for anyone with reasonable time by the time the airlines have snatched every tom, dick and harry with 100 hours multi. I'd say things are looking much better in NZ GA for the first time in....well ever.
cub.
I don't mind what peoples views are far be it for me to disagree but at least have a point or two.
Personally I don't have any worries about the make up of my time. Like you say airlines can't pick and choose at the moment to a large extent. But even if things swing around again there is always a market for Instructors with 1500 hours plus in senior instructor or CFI positions. Its not a dead end avenue and ATO job's in NZ won't be too hard to get for anyone with reasonable time by the time the airlines have snatched every tom, dick and harry with 100 hours multi. I'd say things are looking much better in NZ GA for the first time in....well ever.
cub.
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Why dont u apply for qantas?
You have the min hours, i know of young fellas like yourself who have gotten it with just over 500 PIC.
Should u get in, i bet that would shutup all those pessimistic wannabe pilots who replied so negatively to your post. Best thing to do in aviation is to aim high - and not to be afraid to spk alout bout what u want and where u want to go - just say it in front of the right people - but not in these forums coz its ruinied by so many.
Good Luck
You have the min hours, i know of young fellas like yourself who have gotten it with just over 500 PIC.
Should u get in, i bet that would shutup all those pessimistic wannabe pilots who replied so negatively to your post. Best thing to do in aviation is to aim high - and not to be afraid to spk alout bout what u want and where u want to go - just say it in front of the right people - but not in these forums coz its ruinied by so many.
Good Luck
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Fatal mistake
ace4bars,
You have made a fatal mistake I'm afraid. Coming onto a forum full of well experienced pilots with your relative inexperience acting like you deserve a twin turbine job. Fact is there are plenty of unemployed pilots with more experience in their little finger than you have with your pitiful hours that would be far more employable than you.
Fact is that the majority of your time has been spent instructing which is considered by some (especially insurance providors) to be relative inexperience as you are mostly flying shorter similar flights most of the time. So in relative terms your experience is a joke.
Perhaps you should learn to crawl before you can walk. Get some real experience with employment that is more comiserate with your experience, then go looking to go climb up the ladder.
Evil Ultralights
You have made a fatal mistake I'm afraid. Coming onto a forum full of well experienced pilots with your relative inexperience acting like you deserve a twin turbine job. Fact is there are plenty of unemployed pilots with more experience in their little finger than you have with your pitiful hours that would be far more employable than you.
Fact is that the majority of your time has been spent instructing which is considered by some (especially insurance providors) to be relative inexperience as you are mostly flying shorter similar flights most of the time. So in relative terms your experience is a joke.
Perhaps you should learn to crawl before you can walk. Get some real experience with employment that is more comiserate with your experience, then go looking to go climb up the ladder.
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And yet still the replies come.
Does anyone ever wonder why windups appear so often here?
Because over inflated egos just can't help themselves blindly type responses that are just a repeat of what the last 50 people said on the last 50 windups.
If any post appears with the topic
1) Will work for Free or
2) I deserve a job with my hours
Have a think about it.
You are making yourselves look like egotistical, overrated, head up the arse opinionated fools by replying seriously to any of these topics.
Did I say look like? Maybe you are!!
this one will sturr it up...
Before you go and drag us flight instructors by the perverbials through the dirt, airlines are only coming to realise that "most" flight instructors work better during their initial stages on a multi-crew flight decks then people who have flown single pilot IFR all their lives.
its a human factors thing... sorry to dissapoint.
Before you go and drag us flight instructors by the perverbials through the dirt, airlines are only coming to realise that "most" flight instructors work better during their initial stages on a multi-crew flight decks then people who have flown single pilot IFR all their lives.
its a human factors thing... sorry to dissapoint.
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My my my.... Its amazing how many bitter and angry pilots there are in this country 
Guys relax! Next thing ul be poppin a blood vessel! 4 bars man, why not apply for QF? You have the requirements and there's no mention of any multi time required last time I checked!
Guys relax! Next thing ul be poppin a blood vessel! 4 bars man, why not apply for QF? You have the requirements and there's no mention of any multi time required last time I checked!
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To everyone who has helped with my query thankyou for the time and effort you put into replying however none of it was very helpful. i still don't have a multi turbine job. I'm even working Saturdays now so it's definatlly time to move on.
To those who tried to hijack my thread with your stupid issues over instructing you guys are bozo's & next time start your own thread.
Once again thankyou. Your friend in aviation,
ace4bars
PS the chick i met has since dumped me. i just can't work it out. i thought chicks digged pilots.
To those who tried to hijack my thread with your stupid issues over instructing you guys are bozo's & next time start your own thread.
Once again thankyou. Your friend in aviation,
ace4bars
PS the chick i met has since dumped me. i just can't work it out. i thought chicks digged pilots.
Your girlie dumped you and you have to work Saturdays, whats the world coming to mate, I mean, is it really worth carying on.
Qantas and the light twins (B737's) are waiting mate but clear up your spelling first before stage 2.
Still, its a great wind up and you replied just in time to get people fired up again, GOOD ON YOU
Qantas and the light twins (B737's) are waiting mate but clear up your spelling first before stage 2.
Still, its a great wind up and you replied just in time to get people fired up again, GOOD ON YOU
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IF this was a real post and not so obviously a wind up I would say to ACE "make sure you get the shotgun right inside your mouth."
Oh and BULA... "WORD" my brother. Big ups!
I can't believe someone actually made a statement that Insurance Companies have any idea what makes someone a good FO.
Cub.
Oh and BULA... "WORD" my brother. Big ups!
I can't believe someone actually made a statement that Insurance Companies have any idea what makes someone a good FO.
Cub.
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I do dig pilot's, but only one's that come through with all the promises.
If you think it was cool to come to my house wearing a flightsuit and take me out nightclubing wearing your headset, then you are very much mistaken.
You told me that getting into turboprop's would be a breeze because you were an instructor with 700+ hours......ohhh how you were wrong.
Anyway I found a real pilot. He got out of his comfort zone and went out to the bush where he did a couple of thousand hours on singles and then twins. He kept his mouth shut and his eyes open and now he's with a small RPT company.
Anyway Mr smarty pant's ace4bars stop phoning me or I WILL get that restraining order like I promised.
P.S. your mum and dad want you out of the house...after all you are 36 years old.
If you think it was cool to come to my house wearing a flightsuit and take me out nightclubing wearing your headset, then you are very much mistaken.
You told me that getting into turboprop's would be a breeze because you were an instructor with 700+ hours......ohhh how you were wrong.
Anyway I found a real pilot. He got out of his comfort zone and went out to the bush where he did a couple of thousand hours on singles and then twins. He kept his mouth shut and his eyes open and now he's with a small RPT company.
Anyway Mr smarty pant's ace4bars stop phoning me or I WILL get that restraining order like I promised.
P.S. your mum and dad want you out of the house...after all you are 36 years old.
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On the subject of Mum and Dad, I was having a yarn with Ace4bars Sr. the other day. He is pretty dark about his boy struggling to get the multi-turbine job. He says that if he had known his boy was going to have to work hard for a real pilots job, he wouldn't have given him the cash in the first place.
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