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Litany of lies (well sorta)
No im not a 737 driver..
No i dont work in the tower
Yes i have had realtions with massey university
Yes I fell victim to the bait. A licence that every operator in the business requires and the added bonus of a degree. Yes u may say u dont need the ATPL subjects that are part and parcel but if ur like me u enjoy all the aviation knowledge u can get.
Hook line and sinker, i happily enrolled and embarked on the massey roller coaster ride of my life along with 20 other trainees. (of these very few remained at the final stages of the course). The effectiveness of the in depth selection process is somewhat ridiculed if u ask me and is it not a blatant attempt at securing governent funds by pretenting to screen applicants??
One of the funny stories i heard after i had enrolled was that an airline in asia will be needing some of the fresh graduates. Ha Ha. what ever..Propaganda gone wild.
I snubbed my local aeroclub infavour of the loans. I thought to myself the government wouldnt lend me 70k if they werent going to get the money back would they? Well yes they have and the opportunities of earning a living sufficient of re paying my loan are non existent at present.
This is not Masseys fault but more over is a systemic failing of all parties associated with the administration of both training providers/ education institutes financial resources.
Massey and the other training organisation involved with aviation are making the most of what they are being offered by the ill equiped government agencies responsible for the issue of student loans.
Before i get side tracked, i do have a bone to pick with massey and it's training. While the theory presentation ie the asl exam equivalents is tremendous,the flying instruction seems to lack a crucial ingredient.
I heard the word "airmanship" bantered earlier and agree with this finding. Airmanship is not learned overnight so how do u propose a masseystudent to learn the concept?? Experienced instructors and the old boys out the back in the hangar could contribute, but what is wrong socialisng and learning from the knowlegable folk once we have a license. Anyone can read past anecdotes and gain some form of appreciation. I personally think that airmaship is spawned from charasmatic CFI's. Is massey lacking one of these?????????
I find some of the claims of unsafe piloting quite believable and would like to hear more of anyones experiences with massey pilots. The blame for this must be shouldered by the instructors but also flight examiners who issue the licences. I know i wouldnt want to be up in the air with those kind of pilots.
If u read it earlier,only a small proportion of students under going instruction actually graduate and and recieve the CPL. So rest assured a large number of these dangerous unsafe pilots wont ever work in the industry and are unlikely to continue flying when its no longer paid for by aunty Helen.
I think the only way to judge an organisation is to ask the customers ie the student how they feel. Any ex students are encouraged to msg me as there are certain difficulties we are currently experiencing and i would like to hear if this went on previously.
One thing that is for sure is that Massey is taking a hard look at itself with the closure of the Ardmore operation and hopefully the consolidation pays off.
Kind donations of flying jobs or money are kindly accepted by the author who is considering changing his name to avoid his debt..
No i dont work in the tower
Yes i have had realtions with massey university
Yes I fell victim to the bait. A licence that every operator in the business requires and the added bonus of a degree. Yes u may say u dont need the ATPL subjects that are part and parcel but if ur like me u enjoy all the aviation knowledge u can get.
Hook line and sinker, i happily enrolled and embarked on the massey roller coaster ride of my life along with 20 other trainees. (of these very few remained at the final stages of the course). The effectiveness of the in depth selection process is somewhat ridiculed if u ask me and is it not a blatant attempt at securing governent funds by pretenting to screen applicants??
One of the funny stories i heard after i had enrolled was that an airline in asia will be needing some of the fresh graduates. Ha Ha. what ever..Propaganda gone wild.
I snubbed my local aeroclub infavour of the loans. I thought to myself the government wouldnt lend me 70k if they werent going to get the money back would they? Well yes they have and the opportunities of earning a living sufficient of re paying my loan are non existent at present.
This is not Masseys fault but more over is a systemic failing of all parties associated with the administration of both training providers/ education institutes financial resources.
Massey and the other training organisation involved with aviation are making the most of what they are being offered by the ill equiped government agencies responsible for the issue of student loans.
Before i get side tracked, i do have a bone to pick with massey and it's training. While the theory presentation ie the asl exam equivalents is tremendous,the flying instruction seems to lack a crucial ingredient.
I heard the word "airmanship" bantered earlier and agree with this finding. Airmanship is not learned overnight so how do u propose a masseystudent to learn the concept?? Experienced instructors and the old boys out the back in the hangar could contribute, but what is wrong socialisng and learning from the knowlegable folk once we have a license. Anyone can read past anecdotes and gain some form of appreciation. I personally think that airmaship is spawned from charasmatic CFI's. Is massey lacking one of these?????????
I find some of the claims of unsafe piloting quite believable and would like to hear more of anyones experiences with massey pilots. The blame for this must be shouldered by the instructors but also flight examiners who issue the licences. I know i wouldnt want to be up in the air with those kind of pilots.
If u read it earlier,only a small proportion of students under going instruction actually graduate and and recieve the CPL. So rest assured a large number of these dangerous unsafe pilots wont ever work in the industry and are unlikely to continue flying when its no longer paid for by aunty Helen.
I think the only way to judge an organisation is to ask the customers ie the student how they feel. Any ex students are encouraged to msg me as there are certain difficulties we are currently experiencing and i would like to hear if this went on previously.
One thing that is for sure is that Massey is taking a hard look at itself with the closure of the Ardmore operation and hopefully the consolidation pays off.
Kind donations of flying jobs or money are kindly accepted by the author who is considering changing his name to avoid his debt..
Well as my name suggests I am training at Massey, very interesting viewpoints from such informed people thats for sure.
I'll be the first to admit there are many aspects of the course that I and my fellow course mates are unhappy with, but despite the difficulties we face I must say that in general I have been impressed with the academic side of things.
We don't sit ASL exams and when we have gone over them for practice i'm often glad that we don't. Equivallence means that the required pass is 70% and if you don't get that and people sometimes don't and if you then fail a resit, basically thats it you're out or back a semester if you choose to do that.
I don't have any grand illusions of immdeiately stepping from my massey training straight into a transport jet, i feel sorry for people that may have. I made the choice that I wanted a degree and the only career path that I am interested in is aviation so it just seemed natural to go to massey, I have no disrespect for any others in the training industry, they have made the choice that is right for them.
As I stated I am by no means over the moon with a few things within the school but this is what I want to do in life and it just happens Massey are providing it. It just suprises me that in an industry where I have had the oppurtunity to meet and talk with so many amazing people that there can be others like this.
Takes all people I suppose
I'll be the first to admit there are many aspects of the course that I and my fellow course mates are unhappy with, but despite the difficulties we face I must say that in general I have been impressed with the academic side of things.
We don't sit ASL exams and when we have gone over them for practice i'm often glad that we don't. Equivallence means that the required pass is 70% and if you don't get that and people sometimes don't and if you then fail a resit, basically thats it you're out or back a semester if you choose to do that.
I don't have any grand illusions of immdeiately stepping from my massey training straight into a transport jet, i feel sorry for people that may have. I made the choice that I wanted a degree and the only career path that I am interested in is aviation so it just seemed natural to go to massey, I have no disrespect for any others in the training industry, they have made the choice that is right for them.
As I stated I am by no means over the moon with a few things within the school but this is what I want to do in life and it just happens Massey are providing it. It just suprises me that in an industry where I have had the oppurtunity to meet and talk with so many amazing people that there can be others like this.
Takes all people I suppose
I don't believe I've been brainwashed by massey at all, maybe you didn't read the post, there are some issues at the moment but by and large its what I want to do and i'm sticking with it, I am fortunate that I have a very good instructor and some good lecturers that help maintain sanity.
Yes there are average instructors at massey even, you might even find them in the rest of GA falling asleep in a C152. There are lifetime instructors who don't really care and there are those using it purely as an hours building platform and then there are some good ones in between.
I'm not here to stick up for massey, as i've said when you read the post there are some things that aren't so great, as you'll find with anything in life but i can give you a few facts. The School is consolidating because it expanded before its time thanks to some smart management folk, now that ardmore is closing intakes at PM are being kept to just over 20 every 6 months which is a tricky logistical task from the rabbit warren we operate out of. Theres been no real movement in instructors from PM this year, one has gone to Eagle others of course have applications pending, some ardomre ones will be moving here and others moving on. The school is advertising for B-cat instructors at the moment. They took no new instructors form the last flight instructor course no relflection on their skills, some have gone overseas. There are five on the current course and applications for next years course will probably be limited to 3 from 2 courses.
I would agree with that rating of Massey University, they are one of the major problems with the school of aviaiton. They just have no idea and the won't listen to students or staff, hence the consolidation of academics to the Turitea campus. If another uni offered the course and things seemed better there then i'm sure massey's association with flying training would probably end.
And sorry to finally answer you're question about were I am going with this degree although you've probably long since tired, I hope to get a job in GA flying anything from a single to a seneca and if I have no luck there then I am quite interested in flight operations, or even coffee spilling (ATC). Failing all that like many grads I could look for work overseas. But as I've said before I have no grand illusions of getting a high paying jet job in the near future if ever.
I would be interested to know what you do in the industry and what you're association with massey is
Yes there are average instructors at massey even, you might even find them in the rest of GA falling asleep in a C152. There are lifetime instructors who don't really care and there are those using it purely as an hours building platform and then there are some good ones in between.
I'm not here to stick up for massey, as i've said when you read the post there are some things that aren't so great, as you'll find with anything in life but i can give you a few facts. The School is consolidating because it expanded before its time thanks to some smart management folk, now that ardmore is closing intakes at PM are being kept to just over 20 every 6 months which is a tricky logistical task from the rabbit warren we operate out of. Theres been no real movement in instructors from PM this year, one has gone to Eagle others of course have applications pending, some ardomre ones will be moving here and others moving on. The school is advertising for B-cat instructors at the moment. They took no new instructors form the last flight instructor course no relflection on their skills, some have gone overseas. There are five on the current course and applications for next years course will probably be limited to 3 from 2 courses.
I would agree with that rating of Massey University, they are one of the major problems with the school of aviaiton. They just have no idea and the won't listen to students or staff, hence the consolidation of academics to the Turitea campus. If another uni offered the course and things seemed better there then i'm sure massey's association with flying training would probably end.
And sorry to finally answer you're question about were I am going with this degree although you've probably long since tired, I hope to get a job in GA flying anything from a single to a seneca and if I have no luck there then I am quite interested in flight operations, or even coffee spilling (ATC). Failing all that like many grads I could look for work overseas. But as I've said before I have no grand illusions of getting a high paying jet job in the near future if ever.
I would be interested to know what you do in the industry and what you're association with massey is
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Readbackcorrect, the origonal point of this post was to discover the perception massey students/graduates in the industry not a platform for you to slag off anyone who has/is training(ed) at the massey school. Dont you think that your attitude is a little unfair? i.e just because some people who completed the training (from a few accounts when the course began) came out with an arrogant attitude and all people tarnished with the same brush? Just because you obviously have a problem with somebody/something at massey why do you have this problem with all massey trained pilots? I am interested to discover the reasons why you have this attitude? where there certain instances that brought this about?
I also dont believe anyone is brainwashed by ANY flying schools advertising. Anyone entering the industry forking out the huge amount of cash involved in the training does research and chooses the best course for THEMSELVES...its only common sence!
I also dont believe anyone is brainwashed by ANY flying schools advertising. Anyone entering the industry forking out the huge amount of cash involved in the training does research and chooses the best course for THEMSELVES...its only common sence!
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I may not be a plank driver, but i do have my ppl (A), although uncurrent.
I was trained by Massey, and i found ALL their instructors to be excellent, helpful, committed, excited about thier jobs, both inside the aircraft and out off it.
After i finished with thm to pursue my career in helicopters (which are awesome to fly, preparing to duck now
), i found even 2 years later, when i pop in for a visit, even if they don't know me, they are still the same.
UNLIKE other plank schools, where i felt UNWELCOME, Massey was and still is different.
In my earlier days i was self studying my CPL subjects, and i went to one local flight school (not Massey) and introduced myself, and asked if they had any practise navigation exams i could use.....basically I got told to F**K OFF by the CFI, because i didnt train with them.
That to me shows a poor attitude, and some thing i wont forget, so when i meet people who want to learn to fly planks instead of Heli's, I dont even mention THAT school.
I really enjoyed my time at Massey, and would do it again.
The rest of you who are bagging Massey, get off your Soapbox, stop being petty, or even jealous and just enjoy flying, who you fly with, who you meet and clear skys.
Some days you meet people from different areas, and you may choose not to mingle, but tomorrow they may not be alive, and you have missed a chance to meet someone who could leave a lasting impression.
It has happend to me.
Fly safe all
Hughesy
I was trained by Massey, and i found ALL their instructors to be excellent, helpful, committed, excited about thier jobs, both inside the aircraft and out off it.
After i finished with thm to pursue my career in helicopters (which are awesome to fly, preparing to duck now
), i found even 2 years later, when i pop in for a visit, even if they don't know me, they are still the same.UNLIKE other plank schools, where i felt UNWELCOME, Massey was and still is different.
In my earlier days i was self studying my CPL subjects, and i went to one local flight school (not Massey) and introduced myself, and asked if they had any practise navigation exams i could use.....basically I got told to F**K OFF by the CFI, because i didnt train with them.
That to me shows a poor attitude, and some thing i wont forget, so when i meet people who want to learn to fly planks instead of Heli's, I dont even mention THAT school.
I really enjoyed my time at Massey, and would do it again.
The rest of you who are bagging Massey, get off your Soapbox, stop being petty, or even jealous and just enjoy flying, who you fly with, who you meet and clear skys.
Some days you meet people from different areas, and you may choose not to mingle, but tomorrow they may not be alive, and you have missed a chance to meet someone who could leave a lasting impression.
It has happend to me.
Fly safe all
Hughesy
