Are you SICK of instructing?
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HB - It's pretty easy to get burnt out and feel negative. Take a holiday, recharge, reassess and look at what YOU can get out of being a good instructor.
Be patient, work hard, be humble.
Good luck with it all.
Be patient, work hard, be humble.
Good luck with it all.
Highbypasss,
I guess we all have days when we wish we were somewhere else. I remember doing days of over 8 hrs instructional, 29.9 hrs in a week, and 89 hrs in a month.
Some days you might only do a couple of lessons and come back feeling absolutely crap, your mouth and throat working overtime, thinking, looking out everywhere for other traffic, and your student did not prepare like you asked, or they a hitting a learning plateau, you see no progress, you feel as if you have failed. Or trying to do a descending lesson, power idle, nose down, and still S&L or climbing, how can I "cheat" to make this demonstration work ....
I gave up another career because I felt like that most days, no sense of achievement, and took up flying full time.
Still there are times when I wish I was somewhere else, other times I am glad of the time I spent instructing, if its applying rules like they are second nature to keep myself alive, knowing what the weather is doing when icing up and how to do a PNR/CP when I was 400 nm from my destination, and 700 nm over water to my alternate. Landing at night a 5t aircraft at remote "strip", 800mx15 m, and possibly without the assistance of runway lights. I still keep pattering myself, looking at ways to improve. I still walk away thinking I have achieved something.
I am no super pilot, when I look at some of the students I had, I see myself as being average, not a natural, but willing to put a hard days work in for a days pay. Instructing also gave me more exposure to being tested, G3, G2, G1, ME, IR, renewals, just more flights test, which helps me now when its time for me to get checked or move to a new type.
This time next year your skills will be very well sort after, with part 121B every charter organisation will need to have C&T system, and that system will need good instructors.
When you get into two crew ops, it will be situation normal for you, having to tell the person next to you what you’re doing, briefings, calling out deviations, using checklists, you will find it a small transition. Single pilot charter to two crew RPT, that is a shock to many a charter pilot.
Enjoy what you are doing, at the end of the day the only person you need to keep happy is yourself.
Thants my IDR132 worth.
I guess we all have days when we wish we were somewhere else. I remember doing days of over 8 hrs instructional, 29.9 hrs in a week, and 89 hrs in a month.
Some days you might only do a couple of lessons and come back feeling absolutely crap, your mouth and throat working overtime, thinking, looking out everywhere for other traffic, and your student did not prepare like you asked, or they a hitting a learning plateau, you see no progress, you feel as if you have failed. Or trying to do a descending lesson, power idle, nose down, and still S&L or climbing, how can I "cheat" to make this demonstration work ....
I gave up another career because I felt like that most days, no sense of achievement, and took up flying full time.
Still there are times when I wish I was somewhere else, other times I am glad of the time I spent instructing, if its applying rules like they are second nature to keep myself alive, knowing what the weather is doing when icing up and how to do a PNR/CP when I was 400 nm from my destination, and 700 nm over water to my alternate. Landing at night a 5t aircraft at remote "strip", 800mx15 m, and possibly without the assistance of runway lights. I still keep pattering myself, looking at ways to improve. I still walk away thinking I have achieved something.
I am no super pilot, when I look at some of the students I had, I see myself as being average, not a natural, but willing to put a hard days work in for a days pay. Instructing also gave me more exposure to being tested, G3, G2, G1, ME, IR, renewals, just more flights test, which helps me now when its time for me to get checked or move to a new type.
This time next year your skills will be very well sort after, with part 121B every charter organisation will need to have C&T system, and that system will need good instructors.
When you get into two crew ops, it will be situation normal for you, having to tell the person next to you what you’re doing, briefings, calling out deviations, using checklists, you will find it a small transition. Single pilot charter to two crew RPT, that is a shock to many a charter pilot.
Enjoy what you are doing, at the end of the day the only person you need to keep happy is yourself.
Thants my IDR132 worth.
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Job Offer to YOU!!!!
You can work at the Murray Bridge Flying School for FREE (not get paid), wash aeroplanes, and take orders from the one and only REG the VEG who is this loser bloke Grade One the drools, brags and is a no hoper... Spike 007 also works there and will clearly inform you of how smart he truly is... then there is "Thomas the Tank Engine" who will sue your bum off - so you see, be thankful that you even have a job in aviation in this tedious industry... obviously you never paid for your own education and you do not see the value in it... Obviously, you have not done too badly... make sure that yoiu have your ATPLs, current CIRs and be ready to shift... there IS movement now so just hang on!
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Col. Walter E. Kurtz and swh , thankyou both. I enjoyed reading your posts. I am aware of how valuable my instructing experience can be in a multi-crew environment. Walter, your post gave me a little lift. I think you understand how i'm feeling. I do put in a huge effort for my students. I think that's why I feel exhausted sometimes. I guess sometimes you just have to say, NO MORE.
Parablues, no offence but, I've been offered instructing jobs where not only don't you get paid, but some made you pay $10 per hour to instruct! I didn't even consider them. It's got nothing to do with making a sacrifice to get ahead in aviation. It's just plain dumb if you ask me. In my job i'm paid from when the engine starts, to when the engine stops. That's all. But I still wash aircraft, vacuum aircraft, teach BAK, PPL and CPL theory, shuffle aircraft around a hangar, all for no pay. I think that's sacrifice enough (also stupid enough). In my opinion, working totally for free is a compromise in safety. How can you operate safely when you're totally pissed off?
maxgrad, I AGREE TOTALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Parablues, no offence but, I've been offered instructing jobs where not only don't you get paid, but some made you pay $10 per hour to instruct! I didn't even consider them. It's got nothing to do with making a sacrifice to get ahead in aviation. It's just plain dumb if you ask me. In my job i'm paid from when the engine starts, to when the engine stops. That's all. But I still wash aircraft, vacuum aircraft, teach BAK, PPL and CPL theory, shuffle aircraft around a hangar, all for no pay. I think that's sacrifice enough (also stupid enough). In my opinion, working totally for free is a compromise in safety. How can you operate safely when you're totally pissed off?
maxgrad, I AGREE TOTALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BYPASSS
Try and be professional, ya have to take the good with the bad. Instructing teaches YOU to be a very good pilot if as you reckon you give 110% (of wot). MAKE IT A FUN learning experience for the stoodent and yourself, then and only then when you prove yor self, some-one may give you a big jet plane to fly.
Try and be professional, ya have to take the good with the bad. Instructing teaches YOU to be a very good pilot if as you reckon you give 110% (of wot). MAKE IT A FUN learning experience for the stoodent and yourself, then and only then when you prove yor self, some-one may give you a big jet plane to fly.
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ok: BYPASS
Reading your last post, in between the lines of course, I feel sorry for you however all young pilots have to go thru the mill. You aired your perhaps anger and frustration (?) and got shot down by those who know better(??????). What is wrong with our industry that this should happen? Take heart stick with it. I did (and wish I sometimes I hadn't). I'm still practicing, approaching a G1-m/e renewal and 17000 hrs. How the hell I ask???????
Beware the professional part time jocks
Was it worth the effort----maybe yes--maybe no
Best wishes
Reading your last post, in between the lines of course, I feel sorry for you however all young pilots have to go thru the mill. You aired your perhaps anger and frustration (?) and got shot down by those who know better(??????). What is wrong with our industry that this should happen? Take heart stick with it. I did (and wish I sometimes I hadn't). I'm still practicing, approaching a G1-m/e renewal and 17000 hrs. How the hell I ask???????
Beware the professional part time jocks
Was it worth the effort----maybe yes--maybe no
Best wishes
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Hang in there mate...........
To a dear friend ,
I have known a instructor like this bloke, If only you bloodsucking leaches out there knew this hardworking,honest and dedicated person, not just an instructor.
When students would walk in off the street they inevitably wanted this bloke to teach them, why????
The answer is quite simple he was a real instructor, who always took the time to LISTEN to his students who ultimately went on to do bigger and greater things.
The bloke is in a little rut at the moment and animals out there are condemning the bloke for being honest, hey, how ironic an instructor being honest ......
And before you start jumping down my throat , I am not saying that all instructors are liars or deceitful, but the good guys are becoming more of a relic nowadays.
I truly hope this man gets to where he wants to get as, I know that I tried to convince this man some years ago to stick with it because he had a lot to offer.. He has moved his family from one side of Australia to the other, to keep his dream alive and obviously the G.A. industry is not for him.
As a fellow pilot who has a love/hate relationship with G.A. I encourage people like hybypass to come forward with gripes of the industry because it can only source to helping others. who are to afraid of being assasinated for being truthful
Good on you mate, Be patient and enjoy your journey........
I have known a instructor like this bloke, If only you bloodsucking leaches out there knew this hardworking,honest and dedicated person, not just an instructor.
When students would walk in off the street they inevitably wanted this bloke to teach them, why????
The answer is quite simple he was a real instructor, who always took the time to LISTEN to his students who ultimately went on to do bigger and greater things.
The bloke is in a little rut at the moment and animals out there are condemning the bloke for being honest, hey, how ironic an instructor being honest ......
And before you start jumping down my throat , I am not saying that all instructors are liars or deceitful, but the good guys are becoming more of a relic nowadays.
I truly hope this man gets to where he wants to get as, I know that I tried to convince this man some years ago to stick with it because he had a lot to offer.. He has moved his family from one side of Australia to the other, to keep his dream alive and obviously the G.A. industry is not for him.
As a fellow pilot who has a love/hate relationship with G.A. I encourage people like hybypass to come forward with gripes of the industry because it can only source to helping others. who are to afraid of being assasinated for being truthful
Good on you mate, Be patient and enjoy your journey........
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Hey highbypass I feel your pain mate
I used to quite enjoy 'instructing'
- but I miss 'being an instructor' about as much as a cockroach sandwich.
Face it, the vast majority of flying school employers treat their instructors like dogs to be kicked.
All you w@nkers going off at him that he shouldn't be in the business if that's how he feels ... take off your rose tinted spectacles. I bet the whole lot of you are either PPLs with aspirations, or smug old airline pilots preaching from behind the barriers of a big fat pay packet and a couple decades of nostalgia.
Personally I did it for 6 years - never had a complaint, never had a bad reference, never had a student fail on me, still got lots of friends in the business, yadda yadda yadda whoop de doo. Well I can tell you here and now that airline life beats the hell out of instructing and the way I feel right now if I never turn over a piston engine aircraft again it'll be too soon. Maybe I'll feel different about it when I've got my mid life crisis after a couple of decades of flying big plush comfortable airliners ... but I doubt it.
Instructing is a pleasant, enjoyable, fairly paid and glamourous life ... yeah right
I used to quite enjoy 'instructing'
- but I miss 'being an instructor' about as much as a cockroach sandwich.
Face it, the vast majority of flying school employers treat their instructors like dogs to be kicked.
All you w@nkers going off at him that he shouldn't be in the business if that's how he feels ... take off your rose tinted spectacles. I bet the whole lot of you are either PPLs with aspirations, or smug old airline pilots preaching from behind the barriers of a big fat pay packet and a couple decades of nostalgia.
Personally I did it for 6 years - never had a complaint, never had a bad reference, never had a student fail on me, still got lots of friends in the business, yadda yadda yadda whoop de doo. Well I can tell you here and now that airline life beats the hell out of instructing and the way I feel right now if I never turn over a piston engine aircraft again it'll be too soon. Maybe I'll feel different about it when I've got my mid life crisis after a couple of decades of flying big plush comfortable airliners ... but I doubt it.
Instructing is a pleasant, enjoyable, fairly paid and glamourous life ... yeah right
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I am not sick of instructing I love it but what I am tired of is the conduct of some of my colleges (especially certian senior instructors I have had the miss fortune to meet) and the level of pay. So I might go back to being a truckie, its better pay.
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Highbypass, RIGHT ON !, I hear you !
Nothing like a good bit of Instructor basing, usually from a highly experinced PPL, you know the type "Iv been flying for 34 years and have 325 hours, there's nothing you can tell me"
I have no doubt your Instructing ability is outstanding, your doing a good job, just all the other sh@t you have to put up with. Ensure you take your days off, don't take to heart all the negative stuff, in fact IGNORE IT, these guys will still be playing the same tune when your flying a jet, probley about then they will be telling the next poor Instructor what a great guy and outstanding teacher you were............, and of course all they did to help you out.
Nothing like a good bit of Instructor basing, usually from a highly experinced PPL, you know the type "Iv been flying for 34 years and have 325 hours, there's nothing you can tell me"
I have no doubt your Instructing ability is outstanding, your doing a good job, just all the other sh@t you have to put up with. Ensure you take your days off, don't take to heart all the negative stuff, in fact IGNORE IT, these guys will still be playing the same tune when your flying a jet, probley about then they will be telling the next poor Instructor what a great guy and outstanding teacher you were............, and of course all they did to help you out.
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I can recommend those days off. Helps put a different perspective on things, especially after some of those long weeks...
I was surprised last week when my students (cadets) got together and threw me a birthday party... BBQ, Beers and all...
Bl00dy stoked I was... warmed me right up inside.. no wait.. that was the whiskies...
That help put things in perspective too..
I was surprised last week when my students (cadets) got together and threw me a birthday party... BBQ, Beers and all...
Bl00dy stoked I was... warmed me right up inside.. no wait.. that was the whiskies...
That help put things in perspective too..
