Arthur Morris @ BNE
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Guys Guys Guys
You are forgetting that this is GA here. Not everyone has the money to paint aircraft. If you were aware His KingAir has been repainted and if you knew the regular ops of the company it is being used for the majority of charter. So basically the theory that they are bad charter aircraft is correct however, they are hardly used for charter. Secondly, taking rig workers to the elements of the desert hardly brings about the need to look pretty. As Im gone says, the aircraft are mechanically sound and are well maintained.
Arthurs personality has nothing to do with people getting a job or not, and as we all know its not what we know its who we know. Quite frankly I think you should give the guy fair deal. He has helped numurous amount of low time pilots gather their hours knowing they will move on. He takes the risk with them. Back off a little and look outside the square.
You are forgetting that this is GA here. Not everyone has the money to paint aircraft. If you were aware His KingAir has been repainted and if you knew the regular ops of the company it is being used for the majority of charter. So basically the theory that they are bad charter aircraft is correct however, they are hardly used for charter. Secondly, taking rig workers to the elements of the desert hardly brings about the need to look pretty. As Im gone says, the aircraft are mechanically sound and are well maintained.
Arthurs personality has nothing to do with people getting a job or not, and as we all know its not what we know its who we know. Quite frankly I think you should give the guy fair deal. He has helped numurous amount of low time pilots gather their hours knowing they will move on. He takes the risk with them. Back off a little and look outside the square.
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i,m gone,
yes i agree mate ,respect has to be earned no doubt,however but there is an another little thing called common courtesy.
in my 15 or so years mostly in ga i would have to say my one and only meeting with mr morris was by far the most unpleasent experience of my aviation life.
i myself have been a chief pilot of a ga company and during that time i had many low time cpl's come looking for work.
even during the most flat out days i could always find a few minutes to talk to these people,even if it was to arrange a more convienent time to talk.(maybe like other chief pilots and management pilots i still remember what it was like out looking for your first job with 200 hours.)
for all those pilots out there no yet working, yes its a very tough time in aviation at the moment but if you are persistent you will get work.
yes i agree mate ,respect has to be earned no doubt,however but there is an another little thing called common courtesy.
in my 15 or so years mostly in ga i would have to say my one and only meeting with mr morris was by far the most unpleasent experience of my aviation life.
i myself have been a chief pilot of a ga company and during that time i had many low time cpl's come looking for work.
even during the most flat out days i could always find a few minutes to talk to these people,even if it was to arrange a more convienent time to talk.(maybe like other chief pilots and management pilots i still remember what it was like out looking for your first job with 200 hours.)
for all those pilots out there no yet working, yes its a very tough time in aviation at the moment but if you are persistent you will get work.
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All, why not be courteous, ring the man first, make an appointment, as you would with any other prospective employer.
Nobody marches in to the director's office at Virgin or QANTAS and demands a job. Just do it and see how 'Rude' the man will become!!
Don't opiniate your remarks ONLY on appearance. Which would you rather have? Extremely well maintained aircraft or ones that only LOOK like they are?
Arthur has given the majority of the pilots that have worked for him over the many years of his operation the start they desperately needed to slip into a cushy airline job within about 2-3 years.
The majority of the posts I've seen thus far would seem to be from very angry, short tempered, bad mannered, stuck up pilots, who, I would be surprised could hold a steady job in a junkyard!
Nobody marches in to the director's office at Virgin or QANTAS and demands a job. Just do it and see how 'Rude' the man will become!!
Don't opiniate your remarks ONLY on appearance. Which would you rather have? Extremely well maintained aircraft or ones that only LOOK like they are?
Arthur has given the majority of the pilots that have worked for him over the many years of his operation the start they desperately needed to slip into a cushy airline job within about 2-3 years.
The majority of the posts I've seen thus far would seem to be from very angry, short tempered, bad mannered, stuck up pilots, who, I would be surprised could hold a steady job in a junkyard!
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I have not commented on the man as I don't know him. I expect aircraft that I pay for to be both well maintained and well presented; I assume that others paying for a service would expect the same. My opinion.
If I wanted a word with the man, yes, I would have the courtesy to ring him first. Again, my opinion.
If I wanted a word with the man, yes, I would have the courtesy to ring him first. Again, my opinion.
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I wish I could fly that shiny 310 around all day too........ just can't afford it, But your right......... I am definately a bloody Bonza bloke and working for me would be a great thing. 
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Hi in Oz,
Funny you should mention that you should phone first. Thats exactly what I did...........and he still was the rudest person I have spoken to on the phone in GA!!!!!!!
Funny you should mention that you should phone first. Thats exactly what I did...........and he still was the rudest person I have spoken to on the phone in GA!!!!!!!
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Well why dont you gi#e him one TUCKER! You sound like an expert in the field. Talk about judging a book by its co#er. ( sorry the key between the b and the c is u/s ). Did you guys know that Arthurs pa-31 had a better break down away from base record than any regional/ mainline carrier in oz , except QF.
And as for you other girls crying about "how mean he was to me when I went to see him, grow some B*lls! He may be a mean old crusty C*nt but here is a simple solutuion to your problem. Dont go and see him. Let some more deser#ing pilot with some backbone go and get his twin time up quickly. If you people are going to let some guy like Arthur discourage you from reaching your goal then go for it. You can fly your pristine c310 while the rest of us go onto bigger and better things.
And as for you other girls crying about "how mean he was to me when I went to see him, grow some B*lls! He may be a mean old crusty C*nt but here is a simple solutuion to your problem. Dont go and see him. Let some more deser#ing pilot with some backbone go and get his twin time up quickly. If you people are going to let some guy like Arthur discourage you from reaching your goal then go for it. You can fly your pristine c310 while the rest of us go onto bigger and better things.
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oh, well you just go on to better things then buddy. nice name change (you forgot all about ISP stuff didn't ya). Daisy's not pristine by any means........................... but I Own her, better than your going to manage driving for a cranky, rude old c*#t.
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I know of a certain school at YBAF that is having it's instructors channelled into Mr Morris' employ.
So as well as what has been said here (I won't comment as I have never met him) he is possibly running his own boys club.
Same school that landed a straight CPL/MECIR student a job for a big Mt Isa company.
Amazing what can be achieved when you're one of someone's "little favourites". If you're not you become another statistic of the sausage mill.
amazing. Makes all the people who EARNED thier jobs out there queazy I'm sure.
So as well as what has been said here (I won't comment as I have never met him) he is possibly running his own boys club.
Same school that landed a straight CPL/MECIR student a job for a big Mt Isa company.
Amazing what can be achieved when you're one of someone's "little favourites". If you're not you become another statistic of the sausage mill.
amazing. Makes all the people who EARNED thier jobs out there queazy I'm sure.
Baildog, I hear you pal.
The uncle was never anything but kind to me whilst I was in his employment for 2 years. He cained me if I f___ed up but he got over it.
As for flying students being channled into GWA, I don't think so. Aside from the contractors insurance requirements, I still keep in contact with him ever few months and it doesn't sound like him. His pilots may take a young students on the odd empty flight to the desert to give them a taste of what a Navajo is like, but I don't think so.
IF he was such a bad operator, his contracting company would give him the flick and CASA would shut him down. In aviation there are always people that we don't get on with. Accept it and get on with your life and stop bagging an ecentric, but nice old man.
Capt. Stoobing
The uncle was never anything but kind to me whilst I was in his employment for 2 years. He cained me if I f___ed up but he got over it.
As for flying students being channled into GWA, I don't think so. Aside from the contractors insurance requirements, I still keep in contact with him ever few months and it doesn't sound like him. His pilots may take a young students on the odd empty flight to the desert to give them a taste of what a Navajo is like, but I don't think so.
IF he was such a bad operator, his contracting company would give him the flick and CASA would shut him down. In aviation there are always people that we don't get on with. Accept it and get on with your life and stop bagging an ecentric, but nice old man.
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Almost every guy that worked for the uncle got a bad reception the first time in the office!!! All kept coming back until they got a go. I'M GONE< BAILDOG and SUSPICIOUS are spot on with their comments.
Sometimes I think the pilots today, that is the newer breed, don't have anything better to do than sit on this forum and whinge. You are all a bunch of spineless p***ks. So he gives you a bit of a hard time. TOUGH. Maybe you're not meant to have the job. Did you ever think of that.
He takes a huge risk with the turnover of pilots that he gets. As someone else said almost every single guy that has flown for him is driving a big shiny jet now!!!! Best network to help you get the next job and is he ever PROUD of you when you do.Best flying experience you can get.
He has tidied up the charter Navajos and the king air has the paint job to cater for the charter. As for paying a premium price , well you have obviously never got a quote from the guy. Some pretty good prices that I saw when I was there, JAMAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you can't handle the guy then don't go there. I would suggest that all who have some experience give him a go. Best thing you can do.
Here endeth the lesson
Sometimes I think the pilots today, that is the newer breed, don't have anything better to do than sit on this forum and whinge. You are all a bunch of spineless p***ks. So he gives you a bit of a hard time. TOUGH. Maybe you're not meant to have the job. Did you ever think of that.
He takes a huge risk with the turnover of pilots that he gets. As someone else said almost every single guy that has flown for him is driving a big shiny jet now!!!! Best network to help you get the next job and is he ever PROUD of you when you do.Best flying experience you can get.
He has tidied up the charter Navajos and the king air has the paint job to cater for the charter. As for paying a premium price , well you have obviously never got a quote from the guy. Some pretty good prices that I saw when I was there, JAMAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you can't handle the guy then don't go there. I would suggest that all who have some experience give him a go. Best thing you can do.
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As for paying a premium price , well you have obviously never got a quote from the guy
Never met the guy, can't (and haven't) commented on his personality.
I concur, DEH (which was one of the ugliest of an ugly bunch) has (apparently?) been refurbished - how well I dunno, but from a distance it looks better than before.
My point, which still stands, is that the GA fleet is old and if it is to be taken seriously it needs to be kept schmick; my experience with those PA31s was that they were exceptionally ugly. The paying customer dosn't know that I have 2 x new engines and a new main spar - he sees the interior and the paint, so as well as spending big $$ on the running bits, I also invest substantial amounts in the bits the customer sees.
We are not all 'spineless pr!cks'.
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By My Calc,
You can sit in your bubble and sing the praises of this arthar moris character until the cows come home. However this thread is essentially about the rudeness of the man. If you think that it is justified to treat potential employees with such derision and then have the gall to express some level of justification for this behavior then it is you my friend that is horrendously mistaken. And don't sit in your pathetic existence and talk about your perceived "New Breed" of pilots. I suspect I've been polling aircraft around for a hell of a lot longer than you and I have never had to deal with the likes of this rude individual. It is unacceptable. Just because a person with backbone and some sense of morality won't tolerate an employer like this does not make him/her a spineless pr1ck. Quite the opposite actually. Good luck muscles. You'll need it.
Onya
You can sit in your bubble and sing the praises of this arthar moris character until the cows come home. However this thread is essentially about the rudeness of the man. If you think that it is justified to treat potential employees with such derision and then have the gall to express some level of justification for this behavior then it is you my friend that is horrendously mistaken. And don't sit in your pathetic existence and talk about your perceived "New Breed" of pilots. I suspect I've been polling aircraft around for a hell of a lot longer than you and I have never had to deal with the likes of this rude individual. It is unacceptable. Just because a person with backbone and some sense of morality won't tolerate an employer like this does not make him/her a spineless pr1ck. Quite the opposite actually. Good luck muscles. You'll need it.
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Do you have multi crew experience ?
Have you never operated with another pilot that drove you nuts? Had to sit with that person for 8 hours in a cockpit and get along?
Did you know there are pilots like this bloke all the way to the top of the Airlines?
I suppose MY POINT is that you have to learn to deal with it. I definitely concede no one needs to be like that but as you find in aviation a lot, you can't change it from the bottom! Get in and change it from the TOP!
Sitting and whingeing about it is pointless. There is very valuable experience to be gained from the operation. And from him if you sift around enough. Makes you really think for yourself. Expects a lot from you and is uncomprimising on that. You end up a very valuable comodity at the end of your time there.
Jamair....No assumption. Have had quotes from him. KTU was refurbed and painted as well! On another point, why do his customers keep coming back? Maybe they like what he provides. He has a loyal client base that use the operation.
I really think the use of his full name is reprehensible by everyone here. Slandering him also. Very ugly
BMC
Do you have multi crew experience ?
Have you never operated with another pilot that drove you nuts? Had to sit with that person for 8 hours in a cockpit and get along?
Did you know there are pilots like this bloke all the way to the top of the Airlines?
I suppose MY POINT is that you have to learn to deal with it. I definitely concede no one needs to be like that but as you find in aviation a lot, you can't change it from the bottom! Get in and change it from the TOP!
Sitting and whingeing about it is pointless. There is very valuable experience to be gained from the operation. And from him if you sift around enough. Makes you really think for yourself. Expects a lot from you and is uncomprimising on that. You end up a very valuable comodity at the end of your time there.
Jamair....No assumption. Have had quotes from him. KTU was refurbed and painted as well! On another point, why do his customers keep coming back? Maybe they like what he provides. He has a loyal client base that use the operation.
I really think the use of his full name is reprehensible by everyone here. Slandering him also. Very ugly
BMC
