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Another US Start-Up Airline ?

Old 8th Apr 2019, 17:03
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Swift Air has some (seasonal ?) EU operations, IIUC. Still don't know why they'd put out an ad like that though. They do their own recruiting.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 11:35
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It appears the reincarnation of Midwest Express is making some noise:

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news...tional-airport

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Old 20th Apr 2019, 11:44
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
Apparently Airbahn has reached the recruiting stage:


https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fix...a/jobID_539617



https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fixed+Wing/First+Officer/Irvine-California/jobID_539621

One airplane ?:


http://pkaviation.com/2018/12/20/air...a-new-airline/

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Old 28th Apr 2019, 18:16
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
I'm still intrigued by Neeleman's claim he'll use 'innovative approaches' to recruiting pilots.
Perhaps he will pay their student loans.
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 08:38
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Perhaps he will pay their student loans.
He's been quite silent on details saying only that he considers getting airplanes to be his biggest problem.
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Old 29th May 2019, 13:36
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Here's another one. Hasn't this business model been tried before ?:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...launch-in-2h19
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 10:15
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Sky Palace Airways ? Even Google didn't offer much info on this one. Has it died on the vine ? Did it exist previously under a different name...Sky King perhaps ?

https://opencorporates.com/companies...2018-000827931

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...narrowbody-ops

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-a-gray-47a70838

https://www.jsfirm.com/Sky+Palace/18026/companyprofile
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 21:24
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Disney Airlines ? Really ? What "smaller regional airlines" ?


"The Disney Company will acquire smaller regional airlines to focus it’s operations on offering flights out of Orlando to and from major airport hubs including Detroit, Chicago, LaGuardia, and LAX."

https://justdisney.co/disney-launchi...sney-airlines/
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 11:55
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I guess reincarnation counts as start up ?:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...n-xtra-airways
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 12:32
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Disney airlines... Now we are talking!

Hmmm E3’s in 2021?

I’m always looking for something different.....
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Disney airlines... Now we are talking!
GA,

I'm almost willing to say the Disney thing is some kind of joke. The Blind Men and the Elephant are speculating Disney will buy Sun Country Airlines. Um, ok. I'll believe it when I see it.

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Old 10th Jul 2019, 12:50
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Disney does have a lot of money.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 12:55
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Disney does have a lot of money.
That's for sure. And Sun Country is privately owned so that might simplify a purchase:

"Sun Country Airlines is a privately held company based in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis/St. Paul, has more than 35 years of experience..."

https://www.suncountry.com/about
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 08:26
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Well, this is interesting. The 2nd link mentions that it'll be 30 airplanes in a combination of scheduled and charter ops:

"David Neeleman has started the process of setting up another airline in the US in addition to the planned Airbus A220 operator Moxy. Neeleman is in the process of securing another air operator’s certificate (AOC) for the carrier that will operate a fleet of Embraer E1 E195s."

https://atwonline.com/airlines/neeleman-establish-another-us-airline-used-e195s?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Fee d%3A+AtwDailyNews+%28ATW+Daily+News%29

https://theaircurrent.com/airlines/n...g-azul-e-jets/

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Old 13th Sep 2019, 09:04
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A little more info:

"Plans call for the E2s to eventually replace all the E1s, as many as 30 of which Neeleman said he planned to start sending to the U.S. to launch a new low-fare airline next year. The new carrier would operate on a certificate separate from the AOC that Neeleman has secured for an Airbus A220 operation scheduled to launch in 2021 in the U.S., loosely known as Moxy."

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...2-brazils-azul

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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 09:19
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This is the first mention I've seen of Moxy and pilot supply other than a previous vague statement that it'd be "innovative". What they describe below is hardly innovative:


“One of our challenges there is an acute pilot shortage in the U.S.,” says Trey Urbahn, who’s involved with Moxy and also works closely with Neeleman at TAP as the Portuguese carrier’s chief strategy officer. He notes that new rules adopted by the Department of Transportation following the Colgan Air crash in Buffalo in 2009 require that all commercial pilots in the cockpit have a minimum 1,500 hours of flying time; previously, a co-pilot could begin with as little 250 hours. “The result is that there are fewer people entering the profession,” he says. “With an increasingly small pool, we need to have competitive pilot salaries to attract them from regionals,” where pilots typically begin their careers. Moxy is “looking at creative ways to create our own pilot pool,” Urbahn says, such as establishing an in-house training program. “You have to get people really early in their careers, when they first decide they want to be a pilot.”


https://www.cntraveler.com/story/all...mestic-airline

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 01:52
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Update: The reincarnation of Midwest Express

The reincarnation of Midwest Express has published a news release: "Midwest Express today revealed the Elite Airways aircraft, complete with exterior Midwest Express branding, that will service initial flight destinations to Cincinnati, OH (CVG), Omaha, NE (OMA), and Grand Rapids, MI (GRR). The plane was on display at a news briefing at Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport where travelers were treated to the legendary Midwest Express chocolate chip cookie that will be baked onboard all Midwest Express-marketed flights."

I worked for RAH during their 'too big for their shoes' acquisition of Frontier and Midwest Express, and it was distressing to see their passenger-centered company culture chipped away one chocolate chip at a time until they were literally none left. At the time, in his internal company letters, Bryan Bedford blamed his inability to turn around Midwest on the fierceness of Southwest Airline's competition at MKE (aka, Southwest was cross-subsidizing profitable hubs to lose money on $50 fares out of MKE).

In more capable hands, will there be much of a difference in the end result? I can't imagine they have a revolutionary new business plan to beat SWA...
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 21:02
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This below is a post by a guy on APC who actually had a chat with Neeleman about the pilot side of Moxy. Not clear how it would actually work but it's a bit of info:


"A few weeks ago I got the opportunity to speak with David Neeleman in the PHX airport as we both were waiting for delayed inbound aircraft. He was great to talk with, and surprisingly open. I'll run through some highlights he was willing to share to an OAL pilot who just happened to recognize him.

* pay will be regional +20% + profit sharing
* using 195's to launch next summer ish 50% scheduled/50% charter
*possibly home basing to begin with 14/14 schedules
* a lot of seasonal routes with the A220, as the flexibility of the aircraft was the major selling point (ability to swap class configurations quickly)
* all of the reservations will be done through a virtual office
*the only thing he would say about a possible crew base was he had a an idea of a really amazing place he thought crews would love (not SLC, I asked as he mentioned some portions of the company being based there)

I'm not sure how much if any of this is new info to those of you interested, but figured I'd share."
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 22:20
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Regional wages + 20%, ooooffff thats going to be tough to get guys in the current market.
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