Self Sponsor Type Rating

[savannah]

Hello Folks
Some advice will be highly appreciated
I'm a non US national, but i have FAA ATP with 3000hrs on B732 and a total of 9000hrs, my company is nose diving and about to hit Vne.
Couldn't find any job on B732 as its outdated, everyone is asking for NG or BUS and time on type... Now my question is, Is there any School that i can do my type and get some hours on type (say 300hrs) or internship for 6 months or job placement?
As a rating on its own doesn't carry much weight
Concerned
Thanx
NB Serious advice plz PM me

[DA-10mm]

NEVER pay for your own type rating.
period.
'nuff said.

[act700]

there are plenty of those scumbag outfits, where you have the HONOR of paying for your job!

If you want to pay to get time in a 737, buy your own. Quit fueling this "pay for breathing that our industry is becoming.

Besides, if you have 9000 hours and 3000 737, and you can't find a job, then I don't know?!
Sounds fishy...

[Droste]

Other Factors

Originally Posted by act700

Besides, if you have 9000 hours and 3000 737, and you can't find a job, then I don't know?! Sounds fishy...

In the world, there is such thing as races and religion.

There are airlines in the world that only gives 'white' people the priority. As along as the applicant is gold hair and blue eyes, airlines, usually consider. For example, British Airways, Qantas, Cathay Pacific & etc.

As compared to the skin colour, black, the chance of getting into the airline may sometimes be difficult. Worst, many airlines reject Islamic or Muslim applicants despite for the thousands of flying hours of experience they have.

Also, one's nationality places an important factor!

[lpokijuhyt]

I think more importantly than race is the simple fact of economics, my friend. If airlines were hiring and you can work for less than the guy next to you, then you will work. I must disagree with your argument that race plays a factor. Although, in some respect you are correct. If you are white, then it is very difficult to work for South African Airlines since you cannot legally mark the little box on the applicatin that states you are a PDI "previously disadvantaged individual." Translation: you are non-white during the apartheid years. It goes both ways my friend. Best of luck

[oceanfly]

air training support

can some one give me a bit of info about air training support Denver, Colorado USA..trying to get a beech 1900 type rating,,,i am non US trying to get a job in dubai and they need a b190 type rating...you can PM me..cheers

[DA-10mm]

plus, there's always some a-hole who digs deep into their pocket and whips our their race card...

Droste, give us all a break. This gets tiring after a while. Find another hobby.
most of us work work in a multi-cultural atmosphere. biases aside, we deal with it, and move on...
just 'cause you been shafted throughout your career (as most of us have recently) doesn't allow you to spew your hatred for the Round-Eyed White Devil...but the rest of us don't dedicate our to lives bitchin, pissin' and moaning about how life should be.

"There are airlines in the world that only gives 'white' people the priority. As along as the applicant is gold hair and blue eyes, airlines, usually consider. For example, British Airways, Qantas, Cathay Pacific & etc.

As compared to the skin colour, black, the chance of getting into the airline may sometimes be difficult. Worst, many airlines reject Islamic or Muslim applicants despite for the thousands of flying hours of experience they have.

Also, one's nationality places an important factor!"

Gimme a break. Flown with many a competent black/female/asian/name-your-own-group, had no problems.

quit while you're viable...
you're a shame to this industry.

[savannah]

act700

Are you from Pluto or Jupiter?
Cathey have been hiring lately, I applied and they wrote back that they'll put my resume on file for 6 month but my friend who had half the time i have and NO jet time, only caravan (C-208) but Aussie Passport and he Got the JOB! U still wonder??? if u do then probably you need prayers.....
Nationality and Religion plays and important role in this day and age unfortunately,
Open up your eyes wide and look around Mr narrow minded

[keebird]

If you have an FAA ATP with the B-737 type rating on it, you do not need another type rating for the NG. FAA does not distinguish between "classic" and NG variants of the 737. The FAA B-737 type rating covers all variants of the 737.

[747JJ]

FAA 737 type covers all the variants, but having flown the 737, one is not qualified to jump into an NG based on having flown the -200 or even the CFM-Classics, different animals alltogether regardless of what FAA says.

[thornycactus]

Originally Posted by savannah

Are you from Pluto or Jupiter?
Cathey have been hiring lately, I applied and they wrote back that they'll put my resume on file for 6 month but my friend who had half the time i have and NO jet time, only caravan (C-208) but Aussie Passport and he Got the JOB! U still wonder??? if u do then probably you need prayers.....
Nationality and Religion plays and important role in this day and age unfortunately, Open up your eyes wide and look around Mr narrow minded

savannah, you are right! Thumbs up for you!

The way, DA-10mm, wrote, looks like he knew nothing at all! His post tell us that he does not know the real world.

[keebird]

FAA 737 type covers all the variants, but having flown the 737, one is not qualified to jump into an NG based on having flown the -200 or even the CFM-Classics, different animals alltogether regardless of what FAA says.

With the original poster's 3000 hours on type I'd say he's probably much more qualified than the typical 250 hour freshly typed JAA wonder boy.

[747JJ]

I was not really commenting the time on type, I was commenting your post. Regardless what the FAA says and what the total time of someone in the 737-200 is, differences training is still required to operate the NG. A different type of animal. For reference JAA ATPL will also state 737 300-900 but still differences training would be required to operate variants between groups. Again no operator in their right mind would throw a -200 trained pilot in to a -800 even if the respective CAA or FAA would allow that as no insurance company would ever let that slide.

But since you mentioned the JAA wonderkids. Again having both FAA ATP and JAA ATPL in addition to Canadian ATPL with various bizjet and large aircraft types on them as well as actually having flown them. I've had the privilege to fly with excellent FAA licence holders as well as really bad JAA equivalents. Unfortunately these roles have been reversed as well and some of the muppets from western shores of the Atlantic with thousands of hours have been worse than a 300 h pilot with a CPL.

[keebird]

Of course differences training may be required, but it's still the same type rating. No need to go and pay for more training out of own pocket.
You see, on this side of the Atlantic it is common that a pilot is judged and valued by overall flight experience, and the employer then pays for the type rating or other specialized training.
It's a shame that your 300 hour wonder pilots on the eastern shore of the Atlantic see nothing wrong with being prostitutes. It's an even bigger shame that it now seems to be spreading among much more experienced pilots, who now feel the have to buy a type rating or "work" for free.

[locust]

At the west side of the Atlantic you don't pay for type ratings? only if you need to knock the Southwest door?

[MarkerInbound]

Actually, now it's only after Southwest opens the door for you. Of course that door hasn't opened in over a year.

[747JJ]

Keebird

It was in US of A where the buying of type ratings started not in Europe. There where no training organisations other than flight schools and airlines until late 1990's who could provide training. Further airlines would not talk to individuals for type training unlike in US where several airlines and organisations where willing to cater for indivudual needs.

Just to metion a few names, Flight Safety, Aeroservice, Pan Am, NATCO, several small 1 or 2 sim schools spread around US. Some, like NATCO, even advertised in the 90's on Flight International for individual types, impossible in Europe at the time.

So we imported the self sponsor type scheme from you guys, thanks very much for that... NOT.

Also you gave us the pay for training, pay for line training scheme. This was available with Mesa group and Gulfstream in FL as well as a bunch of pt135 companies since the early 90's, well before this stuff reached our shores. Yes and these where imported to EU via Eagle in Florida as well or ASG jet in Netherlands but flying done in US in the late 90's So thanks for that as well... NOT.

How exactly is this tendency of buying to work spreading amongst the more experienced pilots? You would find that most experienced pilots here are adamantly against pay for training and the other wonders such. Just to offer you an example. Previous employer of mine retired 757/767 fleet, they took some guys and put them through the type rating course on the 747. However they did not extend this to non EU citizens. Thus it was offered that those FAA ATP holders wishing to transition to 747 would have to pay for their own training, would you like to guess how many Americans took the option?

So dear keebird, before passing judgement, research your subject well enough to have your facts straight.

[wanabe2010]

and the employer then pays for the type rating or other specialized training.

keebird,ahahah, I can not stop to laugh!!!!.

20$ for a FO, total 1400$/month based on 70h.

then you struggle for months or years because they "paid you" a TR.

YouTube - So You Want to be a Regional Airline Pilot?

you still have the option to crash, like the colgan air with the young girl killed.
they were exceptional pilots !!! did they pay eaglejet?.

[keebird]

It was in US of A where the buying of type ratings started not in Europe. There where no training organisations other than flight schools and airlines until late 1990's who could provide training. Further airlines would not talk to individuals for type training unlike in US where several airlines and organisations where willing to cater for indivudual needs.

Just to metion a few names, Flight Safety, Aeroservice, Pan Am, NATCO, several small 1 or 2 sim schools spread around US. Some, like NATCO, even advertised in the 90's on Flight International for individual types, impossible in Europe at the time.

Thanks for backing up my point. It was the Europeans who came here to buy types and time. American companies simply saw a business opportunity in European pilots willing to pay for something they couldn't easily get at home. I too had paying European pilots in my right seat back in the day.
Most of those schemes died around 10 years ago. A brief pilot shortage and growing visa hassles for foreigners put an end to it. The few remaining, like Gulfstream Airlines, are loathed in the industry.

Then airline deregulation came to Europe and Ryan, Easy etc. along with European schools took the scam to a whole new (price) level.

[keebird]

wanabe2010,
Sure we have our share of problems too. Regional airline pay stinks. There's no way to sugarcoat that fact, and it is a hotly debated topic among US pilots. Fortunately there are other types of aviation here, but regional airline pay really needs to be better.

In the US you can get hired with no money down but work for crap wages for years. In Europe you take out a huge loan to get the job with decent wages, but then have to make loan payments for years. Both ways suck. And if you lose your job in Europe you're still stuck with the loan payments. Do you think that's any better?