Norwegian Long Haul - selection and terms
 

Hi

Am a heavy Boeing operator and noted a few months ago that Norwegian Long Haul through Rishworth were looking for experienced Boeing pilots. Sent in my papers and will shortly attend the screening.

Does anyone know what the two online tests are all about? Anyway to prepare?

Does anyone know what the sim-ride (seems like a standard PC and will be in a B737NG) and interview is like? Relaxed? What are the criteria they look for in general? People who failed, what did they do wrong?

Finally, what’s the latest with the deal of having a BKK-base? Will that just be on paper, and that you actually work out of – for example – Stockholm or Oslo? Permanent employment in the future, or is Norwegian Long Haul prepared to take the risk of having 300 – 400 pilots in the future on contracts and no one employed? For me that sounds suicidal. After the bond (3 years) probably quite a few pilots would go to other companies with better conditions (and have a valuable rating).

Thanks for all input regarding the above (for one that is even considering not to show up on the screening due to the contract at hand). :confused:

Hello again

Over 1,000 have read this thread, but none replied.

Have anyone been to NLH screening?

Pls, PM me if you would have some information.

:ok:

Aight, I'll give it a go then. LH operation is as of now on hold as far as I know. Course starts have been cancelled (or rather postponed). The selection consists of a personality test, online IQ test (whats the next figure etc. Pretty standards stuff from what I hear), HR interview and a sim check. Sim is done on the 737. Not sure about profiles etc but should be pretty standards as well (SID, eng fail, approach and land). They want normal decent pilots who know what they're doing. That's it.

Deal wise it's very difficult to say what roster etc is gonna look like. I don't think they know it themselves. Remember, the LH operation is brand new so things are changing constantly.

Best of luck!

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Or perhaps an A340 rating :rolleyes:

Thank you LeftHeadingNorth.

We'll see how picky they are keeping in mind the contract at hand.

If I understand it correct, they expect pilots rated on heavy equipment (that most probably already have a job), JAR/EASA ATPL holders, that have the right to live and work in the EU/EES (like most asians don't have), to move to Bangkok away from your friends and family, rent an apartment, get paid offshore, pay your own taxes and have no social security at all?

Well, where do i sign up?! :suspect:

Unfortunately for you, it seems as they are going to lease A340 from "Hi-fly" from Portugal. Good luck anyway!

Larscho, that seems to be an interim solution if the B787 is delayed. I can not imagine they will use the A340 as a permanent solution, being very thirsty.

And I don’t get my longed Bangkok-base…

BKK can be a sweet base if one is single....
Did not apply, too lazy for a new course and too married for Bangkok:sad:

"too married for Bangkok"

Epic. :ok:

BTW - Thai Tax Authorities well aware of the upcoming game.

Fully aware of living/working charade in the kingdom.

Not nice not to hire qualified Thai citizens, due to no European
passport, and come play in the backyard.

Be fully warned. Unfortunately you dissed the wrong Thai guy.

Sawadee Khap

I still can´t understand why anybody would fly around with the callsign "whoreshuttle", and continue to **** up the airline industry.........I guess I´m oldschool.

A friend of mine working for Norwegian (he is not proud of it, and I have told him what I think about it) was called on standby to JUMPSEAT......The captain on the flight was not to shure that the first officer could get the airplane on the ground safely, if something happend to him.:ok:

Sorry, probably wrong thread.....but info for somebody who is considering Norwegian.

Safety Pilot
 

I believe what you are referring to is called Safety Pilot. A common practice to enhance the safety on the first few sectors of Line Training. Common practice, not only at Norwegian.

Common practice where? I have never heard of any airline doing this. If the copilot has been through the sim course and passed the checkride, why would there be any doubt about the copilot being able to get the plane on the ground if something happened to the check airman?

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"I still can´t understand why anybody would fly around with the callsign "whoreshuttle", and continue to **** up the airline industry.........I guess I´m oldschool.

A friend of mine working for Norwegian (he is not proud of it, and I have told him what I think about it) was called on standby to JUMPSEAT......The captain on the flight was not to shure that the first officer could get the airplane on the ground safely, if something happend to him

Sorry, probably wrong thread.....but info for somebody who is considering Norwegian."



Oh Dear.
What a spot on descrition from someone who is clearly a candidate for the position as a vise president of my club.
Nyhellesund shows that he has at least passed the age of 15 with his informative and valuable information. The fact that he also is taking upon himself the resposibility to tell his friend about what he thinks about the company, tells us that Nyhellesund clearly must be of some importance. I am sure his friend quit Norwegian when Nyhellesund told him.

The hatered You show for Norwegian and their employees may indicate to some degree Your mental stability and capacity. I am sure You are safe in the cockpit. That is indeed if You are placed in such enviroment. I am also sure it must be a history behind Your passion for the company. I am not indicating that You got turned down by them. Someone else might think so, but I am sure they must be mistaken.

Old school or not, this and Your previous postings made You a distinguished member of this club.

Post Your full name and address so I can mail You a membership card. If Your mothers address for some obscure reason is different from Yours, post hers also so I can send a card to her as well. She also deserves a membership for giving birth to a fine specimen such as Yourself.

Great post idiotsrus, I would also like a membership application :ok: as I work in NAS too, so must be deserving :rolleyes:

I don't know which companies Viking767 & nyhelllesund work/have worked for, but everywhere I have been has rostered a "safety pilot" for 1st few sectors of Line Training (to take some of the load off the Training Capt as much as anything ) Common industry practice, no idea which planet these two have operated on.

Captplaystation, I am not trying to start a fight here. Just noting that I have never heard of this practice anywhere. And I do believe we operate on the same planet,sometimes even on the same continent.

Viking767
 

As CPS says its common practice and usually the dutys of the safety pilot are only to do a bit of the company paperwork so as to take some of the non flying workload off the captain in the early stages of line training.

Oh ! It is also not unusual for the safety pilot to ensure an adequate supply of tea & coffee.

In thirty years I have yet to hear of a safety pilot being called to fly the aircraft.

Been there, done that: "Safety Pilot" for a certain middle east airline with brand new F/Os onbard. I was a fairly senior F/O and as such ended up in the left seat to train the new F/O in the right seat at cruise while the Captain sat back in First Class dining and socializing. He usually left the flight deck in the climb at 10,000' and returned in the descent passing 10,000'. They paid me 80% of Captains pay and I had the dubious status of being a Training F/O or some such thing..:sad:

A bit unusual and not like the NAS program but different strokes for different folks and yes, it was on the same planet. ;)

Safety Pilot
 

Standard procedure in some Asian carriers including all Japanese ones. A qualified FO sits in the jumpseat until the newly trained pilot in the right seat receives his or hers blessing to operate as Pilot Monitoring

Standard practice to have a safety pilot for the first few sectors in all airlines that I have been with. AKA Paperwork Bitch. And Chief Brewer-up.:eek:

Not too sure I'd be happy with an airline that didn't bother or consider it necessary. "Skimping" is not a good word in flying...

Better training value too so the Instructor can instruct, and not have all the paperwork to do!

Safety pilot
 

Standard practice in South America too.The first few sectors with a senior FO ,just in case.
Best regards to all.

Standard practise just about everywhere that has decent standards.

I would have thought more applicable to the Countries where they do not physically land the actual aircraft before being given the rating.

The training capt has to be confident that in the event something should happen to him that the new FO can get the aircraft on the ground safely. Until that point the safety pilot comes for a ride. Sounds like good common sense stuff to me.

Even at THY this is standard to have a safety pilot during the first few sectors, apart from the P1 incapacitation etc, it allows for more focus on flying and reduces the workload on the FO under training. Been like this at most legacy carriers for the last 20 yrs.

It's great to know that safety pilots are commonly used in so many airlines, but that is outside this topic. Please discuss that in a new thread.

Instead, any news about the terms or selection? Kjos (CEO) talks about additional B787 to the eight already coming.

My main concern is where one can be based and under what conditions. I fly long haul on heavy Boeing, but to change to Norwegian Long Haul with so uncertain conditions is very unlikely. Please convince me!

Åpner direkterute til Florida

TowerDog: Perhaps FLL base is possible afterall ;)

Anyone been on the selection lately that can share some knowledge?

Hear they are looking at the 8 B787 LOT has and has on order. That will bring the total to 16. Also heard that the total number of airplanes they're looking at is 25.

Who will fly them under the terms at hand?

Just saw that Norwegian Long Haul brought in "Virgin Atlantic’s expertise on long-haul operations" Norwegian and Virgin Atlantic pilots to cooperate on the Boeing 787 training and long-haul expertise, will expand in Germany | World Airline News Makes one wonder what kind of experience the pilots they hired for the first aircrafts possess? Understand Rishworth is in charge of the hiring? What can possibly go wrong?

Aloha:
Nada, not chasing no more flying jobs.
At last count I had 19 flying gigs behind me including short and long term contracts, etc.
(Resume looks like a disaster:sad:)

Be happy to buy a ticket to the old country now and then but summer time only..:=

At least that could be cheap now (with all that involves) :hmm:

Yeah, but would rather pay $20.00 more for the ticket so the pilots could look themselfs in the mirror when shaving:sad:

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TowerDog well said!!! I just wonder who is going to fly with NLH given the unspeakable T&C and haze surrounding this ops...

scabs....?

Or do you mean pax, as if who is going to fly on NLH?

Joe Sixpack will always buy the cheapest tickets regardless how many sluts are up front selling their souls to the lowest bidder...:sad:

Roster
 

Now the first 787 has been delivered to NLH, and will start passenger ops in four days.

Given this the already trained pilots should have got their first roster.

Can anyone of them please share it to us interested in the company?

I know that the first month will be ops out of OSL inside Europe, but perhaps you guys already have the roster for August when the long haul starts?

How does the BKK-base work when you have ops out of OSL?

Cheers!

Hi guys,

I'm just wondering has any FO's gone for the Long Haul interview yet. If so can you tell me what the two online aptitude tests were and what was the interview like. Many thanks for any info! :)

Not been for screening yet, and likely won't be after the two online tests!:\

The personality test is very straightforward. All pretty standard questions. Some are repeated a different way to see if you are telling fibs of course.
I answered the questions quickly and honestly which is the best way. I am an easy going friendly sort of guy, and I am sure that will come out on the test result. :)

However, the IQ test (for want of a better description) was not easy.
35 questions in all and my brain slowed up after question 27. I would have found this test fairly straight forward in my younger days, but with the onset of increasing years it was more difficult.

No way of really knowing how you have done until you get an email I suppose.

An educated guess tells me that if you make a real pigs ear of either test then the powers that be at Norwegian will can your screening pretty sharpish. No point in getting you out to Oslo for a sim check etc if your test results suggest you have difficulty tying your own shoe laces.

Not sure of the validity of these tests really, although big companies love them. We used to use them at BA many years ago and they proved inconclusive. We had to fire many that scored highly in these tests, and we also turned down many that I knew to be very, very good. I had to sit similar tests for my present company and did well but................:ugh:

Oh well, sit and wait now. I suspect that if you have been flagged up as Mr Average (or slightly worse) by these tests, you may still get a screening as the final decider.

I think a lot will also depend on how many applications they have had. There has been a lot of bad press on here about this contract, with terms such as scab being thrown around. In my case the T's and C's are perfectly acceptable and I would be more than happy to take the job if offered.

Others on this site think differently. :mad:

I have thousands of hours on the 737 and just want to see out my pre retirement years flying Long Haul, and No I am not already on a pension and stealing others jobs!:ok:

Anybody with other info please speak up!

Thanks.

This from the TUI thread here


"A 2007 study provided evidence that individuals with Asperger syndrome, a high-functioning autism spectrum disorder, score higher than other individuals on Raven's tests.[10] Another 2007 study provided evidence that individuals with classic autism, a low-functioning autism spectrum disorder, score higher in Raven's tests than in Wechsler tests. In addition, the individuals with classic autism were providing correct answers to the Raven's test in less time than individuals without autism, although erring as often"

You don't want to do TOO well on the Matrigma test (most of us don't)

Latest word is that there will be a crew base in the Big Apple. . . that should net them a good few more applicants & may simultaneously force their hand to up the T's & C's.

Hi Capt Playstation.

Interesting facts re test subjects with Autism. Perhaps it's best not to do so well at these tests. :\ (He says unconvincingly). ;)

Re the Big Apple base, Hmmmm. I am currently trying to do the Math on this contract. I currently fly the B737 for a UK operator and am paid much the same money as NLH are paying for the Dreamliner position. However....
I am paying £300+ a month for hotel accommodation as I live over 200 miles from my base, and I pay another £300+ a month for Diesel for tearing miles up and down the motorway. Sum total of maybe £650 a month before I blink. :ugh:Frankly, I may as well be renting an Apartment in Bangkok and getting home once a month?

I have always wanted to spend some years flying Long Haul before I retire but obviously don't want to incur financial hardship to do it. :sad:
I worked a week for NAS last year on a wet lease and enjoyed it. I visited Oslo and liked it, BUT......... 2 Hotdogs and a Cola at the Airport cost me £20. :ouch: Needless to say, any lengthy stays in Oslo due nightstops could work out expensive. I am sure the hotel and breakfast will be provided but don't dare order lunch or dinner!

The big question for me will be the tax situation. As I understood it, one is paid via Rishworth. I also understood that one had to be self employed (own company) to be taken on. That being the case.......... Is the tax removed from your salary by Rishworth before you get paid? This appears to be a complicated issue.

Don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to be a tax dodger. :=
The situation is simple. If I am self employed I am allowed to offset expenses such as flights, hire cars, food, pension payments, etc against my tax bill. At the year end I pay tax on any profit left in the my company.
This makes a huge difference to the suitability of any Salary paid by NLH.

If on the other hand, as has been suggested somewhere on this site, Rishworth take out the Tax first and hand it straight to HMRC (Government), then that makes life really difficult when trying to offset pension payments etc.

So, am I self employed or am I not? I'm certainly not being given a contract by NLH. I'm not saying this would be a deal breaker for me, but it would help to know what they intend to do. :confused:

Once again, if anybody knows any more, please tell us.

Thanks all. :)

Re the previous post;

I work offshore for a Norwegian oil + gas company and I get deployed all over the world. My point is that despite you being self employed, the Norwegian tax agency WILL want their cut, the tax self assessment is an IQ test in itself and I think you are looking at 36% upwards based on projected pay rates.
Just be aware of what you may be getting yourself into..

Have any Norwegian 737 pilots been "seconded" or granted a sabbatical to fly for Longhaul 787 yet? Any NAS 737 FOs make the jump? Or are all recent newhires from other airlines?

I presume the skipper slots were filled by former 767/777 expat Captains while the FO slots were open to a wider variety of pilots meeting the minimums... Just curious if the mother airline allowed a few people to move over to longhaul.

Cheers