Regarding taxes, Rishworth says that you are in charge of all taxes that must be paid.

You are employed in Singapore, but don't live there, so according to Rishworth Singapore doesn't want your taxes. You're based in BKK, but doesn't work for a Thai airline, so according to Rishworth Thailand doesn't want your taxes.

The result is that you pay taxes where you live. If you for example live in any western European country you will first have to pay the social taxes (as a company or as an individual), and after that income taxes.

If you get €6000 (first officer), you first pay social taxes of about €1500, and income tax of €1300. You will get net €3200. That's including per diem, so spending about 15 days away per month, spending an average of €30 per day, is another €500 off. Perhaps you take home €2700 net spending 15 days home per month (if you're lucky).

In addition, you're based in BKK and NLH doesn't pay for accomodation there, so everytime you sleep in BKK you end up paying for hotel (or share a flat).

Just an example. The figures are from Sweden, but the other Nordic countries, Holland or UK is not much different.

I believe a few (and it was a "few" ) contract FO's made the jump across, the post above probably clarifies why it was not a headlong rush :hmm:

I haven't heard of any core FO's taking a leave of absence to hawk their wedding tackle around the world, although rumour suggests quite a few have now accepted 737 Command with the caveat that they take LOA as Contract Capt in Spain (resulting in some of us in Spain being dumped for Winter in the Canaries if I am not mistaken :oh: )

Have spoken to UK National Insurance department and the view is that NI contributions ( social tax ) will not need to be paid in UK. Being resident for tax is completely different to being resident for NI. Therefore would appear that not everywhere in western Europe is the same in this regard.

@Oceansailer

Interesting. But under those circumstances, you wouldn't be covered by the social system in UK (or elsewhere within EU), but perhaps in Singapore (if you pay social taxes in Singapore.

Rishworth contract says - for example - maternity leave is according to Singapore regulations, implying that social taxes are paid in Singapore?

The contract also states that NLH once per year can ask the pilot to provide papers that all relevant taxes have been paid by the pilot, in all relevant states.

When will they offer direct employment in NLH? :ugh:

Hmmmm. This gets more interesting by the minute. I had no idea that NI payment and income tax were subject to different rules.

OK, so taxes are paid in the UK...... But...........
If I am self employed, then it is up to me to submit accounts and pay income tax on the profit. Accomodation in Bangkok (or anywhere else), plus travelling costs, plus food costs at outstations, etc, would all be deductible from the Euro 6000 each month. income tax would only be payable on the profit left in the company after all these bits have been deducted surely?
That is exactly how it worked the last time I did this (in the UK)

As a self employed person you are entitled to claim for all this stuff. If you pay yourself the UK minimum wage (No personal income tax due), then only Corporation Tax at 20% is due on your company profit at the Tax year end.

So..... if your company has earned Euro 72,000 in a year and has outgoings of Euro 60,000 (wages, travel and accommodation cost, food, etc), Then your company pays 20% Corporation tax on Euro 12,000. That is a final tax bill of Euro 2400.

Am I missing something?

Thanks. :)

A scam for scabs.

With regards to UK tax, in a very basic nutshell, yes you are missing something. Tax is due on wages, so if you take it as a salary that it taxable at the normal rate, if you take it as dividends under a certain threshold (currently around 30k/year), no tax is due. Corporation tax is due on whatever profit is made, it depends how your accountant does it, but I would suggest you would be paying tax on about 20-30k not 12k. I do agree with other posters, the lack of clarity on where one is expected to pay tax makes this contract slightly challenging. High taxation in Thailand, and I would not want to play with Thai or Norwegian tax man! Good luck!

Cucuotto.

Very helpful indeed. Your post makes no sense whatsoever. Are you attacking me or Norwegian?

A few facts for you. Large companies are entitled to do whatever they like re company setup, etc, etc, etc, as long as it is legal. If you have any doubts look at the likes of Starbucks and Amazon. Despite making Millions in the UK, they pay little tax in the UK by routing business through Ireland etc. It hacks off the Taxman, it hacks off the general public, but they can do nothing because it is legal.
I have yet to see the great UK public shying away from Starbucks or Amazon in large numbers or for any length of time. :=

The bottom line is that these companies will continue to do more and more of this sort of thing as the years go on. Yes, the working conditions usually suffer, But the profits for the shareholders increase as a result. Oh, look at that, many of the shareholders are members of the general public, what a surprise. So some benefit from this activity, and some lose out!

At the end of the day you will never stop this activity, it is here to stay, like it or not! The only decision to be made at this point, is whether to go with it or not. Your decision appears to be not, mine is to make the most of it if the contract is acceptable. I have read the contract, and it is acceptable to me. :) Yes, this is possibly because I am at that time of life where all my bills are paid, and I have money in the bank, but frankly that is irrelevant. Some people will find the Contract acceptable if it suits their needs and they will apply.

You can whinge all day and throw insults but it will make not a jot of difference. NLH will get their pilots. I already know a couple and they are very experienced guys, and the contract suits their needs! And if you think that I will abstain from applying on principle, while somebody else slides into my seat instead, forget it. I want the job, not the feel good factor of being out of the job but a conscientious objector.
This in no way makes me a scab, it makes me a realist, best of luck with remaining bitter and twisted.

Hi Nomad_07

Thanks for that. A few points though. Any wages paid to me by my Company, who are paid by Rishworth who are paid by NLH :ugh: are only subject to Tax in the UK if they are paid to me above my personal tax threshold/code.
If my company pays me less or equal to then no personal Tax is due. The remainder stays in the Company and profit left after all expenses, pension payments, and Dividends are taken has 20% corporation tax levied on it. As for the dividends themselves, I was under the impression that they were taxed at 20% also, but that no NI (Social Tax) is due on them.

This was how I and several others ran their affairs when on Contract several years ago, and the UK Tax man was happy with that. :confused:

Just my tuppence worth. Anybody that thinks my accountant dropped a clanger please speak up. I am always happy to be corrected and get the latest info.

I agree that there is a lack of clarity re all this, and yes, I am assuming that because I will be paying tax in the UK, and because a reciprocal agreement exists, then I could not be taxed again in Norway or Thailand.
I am prepared to be enlightened here if I am assuming too much. :uhoh:

Regards. :)

Hi,

Im not sure where the 20% on dividends comes from. No tax is due if you take dividends under the tax free threshold, this year it's about 30k. So if you take 30k in dividends and personal allowance as salary then no personal tax is due. Corporation tax is due at 20% on all profits. If you take dividends above the threshold, combined with personal allowances, you are almost straight into higher rate income tax.

As for mutual agreement for social security, I think that's just in the EU. And have a look at the FR forums to see how clear that is for people mixed up in it as contractors!

So what's the best way to arrange this?

Blimey, beginning to sound like a nightmare. Obviously I am going to have to look into this further.

Could you clarify re the "FR" forums.

Many thanks. :)

P.S. A light is beginning to glimmer somewhere in the back of my head re the Dividends not being taxable. I'm off to phone the accountant.

jetjockey
 

Jetjockey.. with that nick name well I sure believe this contract suits you.
You must have a chip on your shoulder as my post was not at all hitting at you.
It is just a fact. This is a scam and whoever accept it is a scab...period. And I agree...seen the level this profession has sunk .. they will find people all right. You mention Starbucks, Amazon...Well my friend I don't know if you read the news paper. A major investigation is ongoing on their tax practices in EU countries. And what about Ryanair pilots? They have been chased by tax man all over Europe. You cannot work as a self employed pilot... period. You are not a self employed worker, you have to follow rules and timetable imposed by your employer. You are an employee. Therefore you are entitled to social security pensions and all other benefit. Mr Norwegian ( an ex military pilot and lawyer with a face that doesn't really inspire..) is betting that the system will not change and this globalized **** up will carry on forever. Well sorry to say it will not because the people who are paying the price with unemployment in EU are getting to their limit and serious unrest will start soon if things don't change. He wants to compete with EK and Qatar and the like. as they don't bear social cost. Well they are negating human and worker rights as well and instead of fighting them on this " image" weakness he goes and follow their lead. You must be an idiot to set up such a complicated gig ( contract in Singapore, based in Thailand , Norwegian registered aircraft, Thai cabin crew, EASA licensed pilots ) to avoid paying taxes. The result is that they will get the "discards" and few cheap retired mercenaries with no loyalty if not may be the bond that anyway any court in Europe will tell you is an illegal practice. It could have been a nice opportunity and they just spoiled it.

cucuotto said

Norwegian registered aircraft


Er. . . . No, last time I checked it said EI-LNA on the side, not LN-*** .

I am sure there is a very good reason for this, although I believe "at the moment" AOC is still Norwegian, hence the argy- bargy about Thai CC still awaiting resolution.

Hi Cucuotto.

That wasn't nice.:( There was no need to have a go at me. :eek:

I understand your frustration re all of this. All I was saying is that these things go on. I know about the investigation with Amazon et all, but they are insisting they are following the rules (we shall see).

I also take your point re the self employment. I have seen these rules and guidelines on the HMRC website. I am sure you could be right re "Not really being self employed"

I honestly feel that it is unfair to call those interested scabs though.
Yes, it is not ideal, but it will suit some for a multitude of reasons.
Whatever the reasons that NLH are doing what they are doing, there are those of us that can find this deal dooable. The reality is that if I turned my nose up and abstained, there will be another 100 behind me waiting for a chance. In fact they would be trampling me to death within seconds.
I have had to go with it. I am not a "discard or Mercenary".
I already have a nice steady 737 job in the UK, but have always wanted to fly Long Haul. For various reasons (for me) people like EK and Qatari and the Japanese and Chinese setups just don't suit.

I just want to do the Long Haul thing before I am thrown on the great scrapheap of life.

Hope this helps explain.

P.S. How do I change my handle ;)

Frustrations??? Well may be you are getting the wrong impression as I'm one of the many that turned down their offer. I 'd rather be a really self employed shoe cleaner than being abused by Mr. Norwegian. Still a shame as it could have been a nice opportunity to go back to Europe.Sure not to Thailand ( which I enjoy as I layover for two nights.... sometimes and that is it.).
This contracts suits those who are in worst condition flying multiple sector with similarly illegal contracts for other low costs companies ,the unemployed and a few retiree unable to stop flying. You are probably one of them and you are not really helping yourself or future pilots generations. Unless we want to accept that flying airplane will be like driving bus in the future .Someone is trying to pass this idea already. I hope you will get lucky with the lady boys on board and their unspeakably ugly and cheap uniform. Cause that is what you mean with "changing handle" ..right ?

Hi Cucuotto

Urmm.

No, not at retirement age. Plenty of years left in me yet to build my retirement fund. No, not unable to stop flying. No, not on an illegal contract or even flying multi sector days. I have a nice job at the moment based in the UK, employed by the company, and I'm not worked very hard.

Re the lady boys :eek: I'd rather not thanks. I'm standard NATO in that area.
Re their Uniform, sorry, I'm no fashion guru.

I have to ask a question though (if I may).

I believe you when you say that you and others have turned this down. My question is why go to the trouble of sitting the online tests, attend an interview, do a sim check, and then say no when they offer you the job?
The contract is readily available before any of this. Did nobody read it first?

Just asking. :) i'm curious.

Jetjockey than I must doubt your mental sanity. Why leaving a stable job to join an outfit that might or might not work out. Long haul low cost..Scoot is doing far from well...and SIA has a bit more experience in the business than Norwegian. Competing with EK, Etihad, Qatar, Turkish...mhhh. Is there such a market for cheap flights to far and costly destinations. One count is the Brit back packer that never flew taking Ryanair to Ibiza and sleeping on the beach with is ID card... Another going to JFK.. if you can afford the trip 100 dollars in price ticket difference in the overall package will not make the difference.. but the free and quality catering probably does.
Any screening is a a good way to keep up to date an test your self provided you don't have to pay for anything and this was the case. The T&C proposed were rigid and not acceptable to any qualified 777 "jockey".. plenty of better offer out there...sorry.

good luck with this greedy bastards
 

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Norwegian Air Shuttle, Europe's third-largest budget airline, apologized on Monday for refusing passengers food, water and even blankets on its recently launched long-haul flights to New York and Bangkok.

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A 16-year-old spent his Oslo to New York flight freezing since he only had cash and no credit card with him to pay the $5 fee charged by the carrier for renting a blanket, the daily newspaper Aftenposten wrote.

That followed a report last week of Norwegian crew members taking back a cup of coffee from a Thai woman after it emerged she only had cash and a local credit card with her. The woman was also unable to buy food or water on the 12-hour flight.

"This is totally unacceptable. Norwegian must ensure its passengers are treated well and we apologize deeply," company spokesman Lasse Sandaker-Nielsen told AFP.

"We are the first to admit that we have had some start-up problems on the long-haul flights," he told AFP.

Only a handful of budget airlines operate long-haul routes and passengers are sometimes surprised to find out that they have to pay for services other carriers offer free of charge.

Norwegian is going to review its policy of only accepting credit card payments and will improve its communication with customers, Sandaker-Nielsen said.

The two episodes quickly drew the ire of social media users.

"Unbelievable that people have the courage to fly Norwegian. Not being able to drink water can lead to death," said Thor Olsen on Twitter, while Tor Andre Ljosland speculated that "soon you will also need a credit card to use the toilet."

Norwegian expects to take delivery of its first Boeing 787 Dreamliner at the end of this month, almost two months behind schedule following problems with the planes' batteries.

The company has leased two Airbus A340s from Portugal's HiFly to avoid delaying the launch of its New York and Bangkok flights.

Blimey. Not good news. Sounds like a right cockup. :\

If you have to start a company to employ yourself as a pilot somewhere, you may just as well go EU-shopping and start that company somewhere else and not in the UK. Estonia and Bulgaria are currently pretty good at that, Estonia with a very favourable business taxation system, and Bulgaria with a very low flat-rate income tax rate.

Its not always a ripoff, you can play that game too.

Sorry mate.. you can't legally do that in Europe. An acquaintance of mine got a 240000 euro bill for 7 year tax evasion with Ryanair. Ryanair is now obliged to pay pension contributions in the base country. With fiscal union the game will be over.If you want to be more competitive with Gulf carriers and the like the only way is to push to have tariffs imposed on them same that on Chinese solar panels instead of promoting social dumping and unemployment by hiring Thai cabin crew. And this is even more strikingly bad as we are talking about a Scandinavian company. What to do.. all countries have their arsholes and Mr. Kijos looks lke being the Norwegian one.

Things are getting more complicated by the minute.

Funny enough I cancelled my solar panel install a few months ago when the Chinese solar panel Levy was applied. Installing the panels at the new (significantly more expensive) price no longer made sense.

I have to say I cannot see who benefitted from that one. I certainly won't be paying the European prices. That's not a dig at the new rules, the maths just goes askew.

Regards, :)

Cucuotto
 

I think there needs to be some balance in this debate

1. Can't really comment on the legality of the contract, but i can't imagine for one minute that NLH will get involved in some thing that is illegal it would be illogical to do so and very sort term?

2. No one really knows whether long haul low cost will work from Europe, but the fact that no one has done it successfully before means very little.

3. The NAS product is closer to legacy airline product in terms of customer service and much better than some or indeed most of the other Lo Co products on offer

4. The NLH has premium seating available and even the economy seating is better in terms of leg room than the like of say Monarch/Tui product

5. There clearly have been some start up problems and perhaps the Thai crew don't/didn't think outside the box in the way that European crew would have reacted to situations such as lack of a credit card, indeed this happens on the NAS network from time to time, remember that some of NAS so called short haul sectors run to nearly 7 hours so JFK-OSL is not much longer

6. Costs well one thing is for sure you cannot pay Norwegian or indeed Danish/Swedish employment costs, wages and employers social costs and fly Loco let alone compete with Asian carriers, I make no judgement on the rights or wrongs of Asian employment T&C's but if you allow unfettered access to Europe from the far East & Middle East, then the pressure that BA/IB KLM/AF DLH are currently seeing is only the tip of the ice berg, for joe public will look at cost and value and NAS have demonstrated in Norway that even paying all the Norwegian employment taxes that they are profitable in part because SAS is/was so inefficient.


My bet is that Long Haul will work for Norwegian and that the messy side of the contracts will be resolved and the announcement of a USA base opening this Autumn points to that, NLH have until the end of the year to sort out these issues or face a ban flying long haul out of Norway, Mr Norwegian as you call him is no fool or MOL and would much prefer to have LN on the aircraft rather than EI, Norway currently has a left centre Government more akin in some ways to an old style UK Labour Government and an election before the year out may change that, they need to get a grip on wages in Norway, it might be a rich country, but €30k a year for flipping burgers is just silly.

Thankfully its not my money in play, but fascinating all the same.....

Thanks LNIDA.

Very balanced if I may say so and thank you.

These are the points that I have been trying to make all along. Sooner or later these issues will be / must be sorted out.

I would be very happy to accept this job if it was offered, as I am sure the operation will succeed, and the T's & C's will improve as NLH get a grip on things. I am sure that initially there will be teething problems but they will be sorted.

I make no excuses for applying for this job no matter what people call me.
At my present position in life this contract will do me no harm at all.

In March of last year my company sent me to Oslo for a week to fly for Norwegian. It was a wet lease deal due to crew shortages at Norwegian.
We occasionally carried a NAS number 1.
I personally was impressed with what I saw. It was a good operation. Everybody was friendly and we were all treated well and looked after.
I find it hard to believe that NLH intend to purposely treat the new NLH crews any differently with the possible exception of Pension plans etc.

If they give me a chance then I am happy to join up, just like many others. The rest as they say, is an adventure!

Cheers, :)

LNIDA,

whilst I can see your point


"they need to get a grip on wages in Norway, it might be a rich country, but €30k a year for flipping burgers is just silly."


Did you check the price of a MickieD last time you were in OSL ? ( & we won't even mention what is asked for the Beer to wash it down := )

Senior CC in OSL net around 4500€/mth vs 1500€ ? in Spain, however, I have been told that renting a small 32m studio & paying service bills accounts for at least 2000€/mth in Olso vs 750? in AGP (even less in ALC ) . . . so, we shouldn't compare Apples with Oranges.

At the risk of repeating myself...............

2 Hotdogs and a coke cost me £20 at Oslo Airport. As for ordering evening food in the hotel, just don't go there.

If one was suddenly re-based in Oslo after Bangkok, one would get a shock. A big shock! :sad:

Urrrm? I believe that the European fleet (737) get extra salary if based in Oslo.

Hmmm. :)

Captplaystation
 

I think we are saying more or less the same thing, costs in Norway dictate the salary and up to a point within country it makes no odd's it's just more noughts on the end, the problem comes when any service is either imported or more importantly exported, unless you have very very high productivity, so if your SAS paying cabin crew costs Norwegian style then your cost base will always be far higher than an Asian based carrier, fuel, aircraft lease rates, and to a lesser extent pilot wages a level playing field, taxes are not, social costs, pensions,if any are not level, so you need an edge. O'leary was not wrong when he said that only in Norway would Norwegian be considered a low cost airline, its a little tongue in cheek though, he knows that with production capped for core more or less that any growth will come a lower cost than if the same growth were to come from Scandi land.

Yes the contractors package is less than core, but it is better than Ryanair/Jet2 in money terms alone and they treat you like adults, you are in good hotels on night stops, provided with crew meals on longer duty day, which most are and the aircraft are well spec'd and of course new out of the production line, EFB makes for a very easy end of day sign out, by the time the last passenger is off so are you all signed out no walk to the crew room, just the car park.

So lets hope the NLH gets sorted, i'd certainly be interested.

LNIDA and Capt Playstation.

I agree with you both. You are saying pretty much the same thing.

LNIDA

I particularly agree with what you say re the aircraft and EFB's etc.
I would also agree with you on the pay front.
What I really like is the part about being treated like adults, what a blessing that would be.

I can't name names obviously, but a month ago I wrote to my chief pilot with a legitimate concern re certain policy within the company. You won't be surprised to hear that he hasn't even bothered to answer!

5 months ago I put in a claim for travelling between two bases. I was docked 5 miles in each direction for the wildest of reasons.

Any airline can treat you like a child. Full time employment, as opposed to contract work, is no vaccine. :uhoh:

:confused: Please enter the content?

Do you believe in Santa as well? T&C will go down as more scabs line up as the lowest bidders. Add into the mix that Mr. Kjos aims to outsource everything and fire all the permanent pilots in order to re-hire the stupid ones on contract with outrageous low pay.

Hung up my stocking last night and posted my Christmas list......;)

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Jetjockey are you sure you are not working for Rishworth ? Because you are making delusional statments about a base in JFK the sound like a bait,. On the basis of which immigration law would anyone be allowed to stay and work in the US if not a citizen. And how can you have an EASA license if you are a US licensed pilot ?
Solar panel are down 75 percent since 5 years ago and the price are stable . But European solar panel makers failed one after the other due to Chinese dumping.
Sure if you have slaves working 16 hours a day for 7 days a week for a piece of bread it is very easy to screw the market . Same for EK.. tell me. how much a baggage handler or a ramp agent makes in Dubai ? A few dollars and a bed in the desert. The solutions is not getting to their level to compete , unless you want for your kids to find a job on par with Chinese conditions when it will be their time . The solution is to impose the respect of certain rules and standards to able to export to Europe or ...to take European passengers . A Norwegian woman was raped and than arrested for having reported the rape in Dubai few days ago. Is this the level of civilization you want to get? Norwegian and Mrs Kjios are at fault not only for the outrageously "piratesque" set up they invented but because Norway is beacon of civilization and welfare oriented capitalism .They don't make any good to their country image which by the way has, thanks to oil one of the highest per capita income in the world. A Burger flipper should have no pensions ? Work is work. Slavery was abolished in the western world many years ago. But may be Kyjos real dream is to be Sheik. So may I suggest Bangladeshi cabin crew... and and Dhaka as a base,,even cheaper.

cucuotto
 

Interesting post, rant re rape aside?

My thoughts on this are that NLH thought they might get approval for Thai cabin crew, but at the minute they have an extension on approval until the end of the year during which time its business as normal. I suspect the government will up hold the ban on Thai crew, without which the costs probably don't add up against Asian carriers, so given that they have these new aircraft with lower operating costs than many on the Atlantic at least for now, then they may turn their sights on the US market, i guess they need movement on foreign ownership rules or set up a USA company much as Virgin did, but spending $bn's with Boeing will oil the wheels somewhat.

Now I'm not saying thats the final answer, but your wish for Scandi T&C's for NLH would take them down the same path as SAS, but paying normal European/US salaries would attract plenty of interest, even if its LoCo salaries and as i said before, NAS already fly some of the longest sectors anywhere in the world on 737's Oslo-Dubia & Las Palmas-Tromsoe are over 7 hours, so lets see.

Can someone clarify the NLH training partnership with VS? When does it start? How long does it last? Will new VS 787 FOs get experience on NLH 787s? Will new NLH FOs then get trained on VS 787s when they arrive?

Cheers

Hello Cucuotto

No I don't work for Rishworth, and I have better things to do than spend my time time on pprune trying to convince others to join any organisation.
My opinions are valid as they apply only to me, as I have already said many times on this thread.

It is obvious that you are so biased re this particular operation, that anybody that expresses any interest on favour immediately incurs your wrath.
Insults rapidly follow, despite you not knowing the first thing about the person you are attacking, or their particular circumstances.

Could I suggest that you give it up and go and find another thread to hijack. You have not been appointed as chief of the world Police.

If the contract in question does not do it for you then fine, I respect that, it is your right. It is not your right to tell others what to do and then start insulting them (scab) when they don't agree with you. Your general tone in your postings is not a pleasant one. Who do you think you are that you can start dictating to others how they should run their lives?
Then again, it is easy to throw your weight around when your hiding behind a keyboard!

Give it up, go away, stop depressing everyone, and call it a day. :)

If NLH was a US company any pilot joining them would have their name on the master Scab list, ending any jumpseating privileges and effectively ending their careers. Hopefully Europe will get more in line and offer equal treatment. Any concerns towards NLH's shameful practice is valid.

None of the above validates any attempt to insult another individual on this site.
Period.

Any concerns this individual may have are now done to death. Give us all a break and give it up. He can be as concerned as he likes, that does not give him the right to bad mouth anybody else that does not agree.
Free speech is one thing. Cucuotto has gone way beyond that.

Enough already.

Jet.. sorry I did not mean to offend you. But you see not everyone is for sale for peanuts Scab is not an actually an offense. It just defines a mental attitude common to the people that brought this profession to what it is now..People paying to fly, accepting unacceptable contracts, vexation, bonds. People that have been contributing to the interested attempt to destroy this job. Get a type rating.. get another free. O'Leary agenda..
But extreme capitalism is on its way out fortunately. Bad timing to start a business with this premises. Read the newspapers my friend...listen to Obama. Its time for money to pour back in the pocket of the people..not of a few greedy assholes.
RTO...:ok::ok::ok: we definetly need more of that in Europe.

cucuotto
 

Its late, actually very early where i live and I have had a few beers, no sin block of days off!! But i really don't see how the word scab can be anything other than offensive?

I just don't recognise the words Pay2Fly or MOL in anything that Norwegian does? from what i can see its an honest business that's well run, looks after its staff, pays the market rate and is very efficient, sure it get every last minute of duty time from its employee's but its not ball and chain most are not bonded and the inflow of people wanting to work here massively exceeds any out flow.

Try life out of work? any job that is paying north of €125k PA for the best office view in the world will have plenty of applicants, me amongst them! whats wrong with you people?

Did I miss anything about this job offer?!?!?
Last time I check it it was almost 1/2 of what I make now net while based at home, with all the nice benefits and not commuting to/from BKK.
Have things changed in the meanwhile?