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Norwegian starts charging F/Os 200k nok for linetraining

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Old 11th Apr 2012, 10:41
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Norwegian starts charging F/Os 200k nok for linetraining



NORWEGIAN - - Må betale for å jobbe NA24

- Dette er et tilbud vi ikke hadde tidligere. Da tok vi ikke inn piloter som ikke hadde type rating på Boeing 737. Nå inviterer vi inn piloter som ikke har denne ratingen. Vi gir dem kontrakt så de kan trene hos oss mot en kostnadsreduksjon som i praksis innebærer mindre lønn, sier Larsson til Nordlys.

Meaning something like:

- This is an offer we did not have earlier. Back then we did not take on pilots that had not a type rating on the 737. Now we invite non rated pilots. We give them a contract so that they can do their training with us under a "cost reduction" wich in practice means less pay.

Soon other operators will have to follow the trend in order to stay competitive.
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Red face and

still they like to keep the age limit at age 40.....????
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Norwegian UNION WAKE UP

You guys MUST prevent this.

The Dy capt´s must simply refuse to fly with these guys unless they are hired under normal Terms and conditions. It cannot turn into a new buisness for Norwegian to simply sell ratings and line training like RYR... Crist!!!

You may not let this happend, it is the beginning to the end. please please please show some balls on this issue...

Fingers crossed and good luck !
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linetraining?

Gamle nyheter?
40 års grensen ble innført for flere mnd. siden. (selv om det har blitt gjort unntak etter at den ble innført). Det ble og regelen om at man enten må ha TR eller bli trukket i lønn om Norwegian skal forskuttere TR.
Linetrainingen betaler man vel fortsatt ikke ekstra for?
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Dette er vel gammelt nytt, har en kompis som fikk jobb i norwegian på denne måten for trekvart år siden... han klager ikke.. det er nok av folk som betaler for sin egen rating (til en høyere pris enn 200k) UTEN å ha noe jobb å gå til, så jeg ser vel egentlig ikke hva som er så galt i at Norwegian tar de penga og gir vedkommende jobb, istedetfor en TRTO... dessverre har det blitt slik at man må betale for egen rating som rookie i dagens marked, med svært få unntak...
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I agree with Moneyjonkey. That just showes absolutely 0 % respect toward newhires or the old ones aswell..
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I totally understand the rookies... Offcause they Would move On such an offer... But youre pissing In your pants to keep you warm.
But ITS UP TO THE CAPTAINS OF NORWEGIAN to do something. You guys are On a highway to RYR land if you dont stand up and fight This RIGHT NOW!!!!
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The Norwegian-pilots are very uncomfortable with the present situation and they are fighting. We just haven´t heard too much about it, yet.
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Monkeyjunkie, it`s not just up to the Captains, though they have a say in it, of course. It is up to, first and foremost, the NPF (Norwegian Union) to put their collective foot down and say enough is enough - the goodwill has ended. Second, it is up to the rest of the pilots in Scandinavia to back them up. This is one major and decisive battle that needs to be won by the NPF so that the race to the bottom can stop, and in time be a race for better hiring terms.
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I bet, allmost guarentee that the Norwegian pilots have backup and sympathy from the rest of the Scandi pilots. I sincerely hope that the NPF Will do something drastic here to make a statement. There has been quite some bad news Lately from the north... Pilots On contracts = less pay, ****ty 787 Deal jumping the seniority, and now this... Things are going fast.... Very fast.

I support you guys 1000% and I hope This Will be stopped imidiatly and not debated to death..
For the future of All Scandi/north EU pilots sake.

We ALL have to fight to end This Low pay/ be thankfull for having a job ****...
TIME TO ACT.
Best of luck
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So Norwegian selling the RHS to passengers also!!

This industry is so selective
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J31/32;

I see Norwegian put 40 as age limit, I am kind of surprised they can legally do this, as this would be a clear age discrimination!

Other companies have removed this, even though we do know certain companies do age discriminate!

I am surprised in a country supposed to be so social aware as Norway, that this exist!
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forsikring

la meg slenge en ekstra kubbe på bålet....

Piloter må betale egen forsikring | nordlys.no
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Informasjonssjef Åsa Larsson i Norwegian bekreftet imidlertid overfor Nordlys onsdag at alle Norwegians piloter - innleide, som fast ansatte - ved sykdom mottar full lønn i fem dager.


Hvis sykelønn er en selvsagt rettighet i Norge ser jeg ikke helt hvordan fast ansatte DY piloter har samme 5dagers opplegg? Hva slags sosialforsikringssystem er det hun refererer til?
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De fastanställda har väl full sjuklön i 14 dagar innan folketrygden går in och täcker 80% av lönen under sjukskrivningen. Så hon har ju iofs rätt i att båda grupperna har sjuklön i fem dagar. Skillnaden är väl att kontraktarna inte har rätt till en krona efter det om de inte löser försäkringar på egen hand.

Ett klassiskt exempel på väl valda ord...
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Bra at Nordlys setter fokus på hvor kynisk pilotyrket har blitt.

Noen som vet om lønnen og betingelsene/godene til Parc-pilotene iforhold til de fast ansatte hos Norwegian? Det ble jo slått opp stort i avisene at Norwegian drev med sosial dumping for en tid siden med de estiske pilotene på Arpi-kontraktene.
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14 dager for fast ansatte hørtes mer sensible ut, tviler på at foreningen gikk med på 5 dager fra "gammelt" av....
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Originally Posted by Engine_Failure
Noen som vet om lønnen og betingelsene/godene til Parc-pilotene iforhold til de fast ansatte hos Norwegian?
Ca-tall for styrmenn:
Arpi Estland = 2000EUR = ca 183.000 NOK pr år
Parc Malaga = 3800EUR = ca 347.000 NOK pr år
Dette inkluderer:
-Ikke medlem i folketrygden
-Ingen opptjening av pensjon(blir minstepensjonist)
-Ingen forsikringsordninger.
-Ikke noe oppsigelsesvern, selskapet kan la vær å fornye kontrakten hvis man ikke "liker trynet" ditt.
-Ikke betalt skatt. Du kan ha konto hvor som helst i verden og få lønnen dit, feks "skatteparadis" som kanal-øyene.
-Ingen sykelønnsordning, syk mer enn 5 dager= ingen lønn, og evt oppsigelse på dagen.

Norge(fast ansatt) = ca 450.000 NOK pr år. Lønnsøkning basert på ansiennitet, (og dermed oppgradering til kaptein), til ca 1.000.000 etter 15-20(?) år. Og i Norge har man selvfølgelig alle sosiale goder som resten av befolkningen.

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Norwegian drev med sosial dumping for en tid siden med de estiske pilotene på Arpi-kontraktene
Men mye av poenget med Arpi/Estland var jo at man faktisk jobber i Finland, men baserer seg på estiske levekostnader.
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Takk for svar Blue06

Jeg mener det er urettferdig at de fastansatte hos Norwegian har høyere lønn plus alle goder, mens kontraktspilotene har lavere lønn og nesten ingen goder. Begge går i den samme uniformen, flyr de samme flyene og jobber like hardt, men alle får ikke samme lønn. Selv om de har baser på forskjellige steder i Europa gjør de strengt tatt samme jobb for Norwegian.
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Originally Posted by Engine_Failure
(...)urettferdig at de fastansatte hos Norwegian har høyere lønn plus alle goder, mens kontraktspilotene har lavere lønn og nesten ingen goder.
Ja, men å eksportere norske lønninger til Finland eller Spania funker jo ikke. Det er ikke der hovedproblemet ligger, men kontrakter og jobbe i Finland men være ansatt i Estland.

Flere selskaper, bl.a TUIfly Nordic og Novair, har ulik lønn basert på hvilket land man har base i. Dette for å jevne ut utgiftsnivået mellom f.eks Norge og Sverige.
Men man er fast ansatt med alle de goder/plikter det medfører, mtp rettigheter og skatt.

Norwegian kunne utmerket godt ha gjort det samme, faste ansettelser, men jobber man i Finland får man lønn/betingelser tilpasset Finland, og det samme i Spania. Så ville det vært interne avtaler om hvem som skal fly hvor, slik at de billigste ikke tar over all produksjon.
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