SAS Bashing
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Re Dick Badcock's post,
I must agree with you that these people (SAS) have serious problems.
A friend of mine was rejected during the recruitment process. After having discussions with one of the officials at recruitment he was told that instead of lowering their requirements they would instead cut back on their flights!!!
And for the record; I've never applied for SAS/SC nor will I. There's better airlines!
Many nice people there though.
And DB! Have we met over a couple of beers at Dublin Apt last May?
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I must agree with you that these people (SAS) have serious problems.
A friend of mine was rejected during the recruitment process. After having discussions with one of the officials at recruitment he was told that instead of lowering their requirements they would instead cut back on their flights!!!
And for the record; I've never applied for SAS/SC nor will I. There's better airlines!
Many nice people there though.
And DB! Have we met over a couple of beers at Dublin Apt last May?
[This message has been edited by SlowAndSilly (edited 24 April 2001).]
[This message has been edited by SlowAndSilly (edited 25 April 2001).]
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TC!
Yes I think this is a negative thing. I think their recruitment process is quite silly as it is.
I know a bunch of great people who were refused during different stages of the process which fly for other "majors" around Scandinavia/Europe.
The whole process is disrespectful. And the episode with Linjeflyg proves my point.
At last, I don't think the guys at the top in SAS would cut back on their flights instead of changing(*) their rec process. There's no way that SAS can afford that.
*) When I say change I meen change and not lowering their limits!
Yes I think this is a negative thing. I think their recruitment process is quite silly as it is.
I know a bunch of great people who were refused during different stages of the process which fly for other "majors" around Scandinavia/Europe.
The whole process is disrespectful. And the episode with Linjeflyg proves my point.
At last, I don't think the guys at the top in SAS would cut back on their flights instead of changing(*) their rec process. There's no way that SAS can afford that.
*) When I say change I meen change and not lowering their limits!
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Hmm, this testing and profiling and all that stuff required to get a job with SAS must be a big deal then if they are talking about canceling flights instead of modifying the process?
Uh, what about the folks that busted the tests, got a job with Linjeflyg and SC, then later they are indeed SAS pilots.
Does that mean SAS does not take their test's that seriously anymore?
(If ya pass 'em fine, if not we may merge with yer future company later and ya can still fly for us with no further testing)
Hello??
What is the big deal with the test if even SAS ignores 'em later?
(Perhaps I missed something here, can anybody
please set me straigth?)
Also one would think that such extensive testing would be in the name of flight safety and to prevent future accidents by recruiting only pilots most un-likely to screw up, yet SAS's accident record is far from clean and many high profile SAS mishaps are indeed labeled pilot error.
(Perhaps caused by pilots hired before these tests were introduced?)
Just for the record, I have never applied to SAS, failed an SAS interview or any SAS tests, just curious as to what the big deal is all about?
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Uh, what about the folks that busted the tests, got a job with Linjeflyg and SC, then later they are indeed SAS pilots.
Does that mean SAS does not take their test's that seriously anymore?
(If ya pass 'em fine, if not we may merge with yer future company later and ya can still fly for us with no further testing)
Hello??
What is the big deal with the test if even SAS ignores 'em later?
(Perhaps I missed something here, can anybody
please set me straigth?)
Also one would think that such extensive testing would be in the name of flight safety and to prevent future accidents by recruiting only pilots most un-likely to screw up, yet SAS's accident record is far from clean and many high profile SAS mishaps are indeed labeled pilot error.
(Perhaps caused by pilots hired before these tests were introduced?)
Just for the record, I have never applied to SAS, failed an SAS interview or any SAS tests, just curious as to what the big deal is all about?
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The only way I would ever consider working for SAS is if they paid for my conversion, paid me full salary while I was converting and then paid me a descent salary - which will never happen.
One thing is for sure, life is great in the US. It might take a while to get where you want, but persistence will pay off!
One thing is for sure, life is great in the US. It might take a while to get where you want, but persistence will pay off!
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Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't SAS forced to take over the staff of Linjeflyg. From what I understand Swedish law says that when a company takes over another then the employees have to go with it.
Regarding the SC guys hired pre-97 then I heard that they actually have to do a simple interview before getting accepted into SAS Airline. You might say, "why shouldn't they do the full thing?" Well, because the company already knows who they are from several years of employment.
I have done the SAS tests a few years ago and I found them very fair and generally relevant. I know that there are good pilots out there who are just as good as any SAS pilot even though they weren't accepted. We all have less fortunate days but when you go for an interview they only look at how you perform that particular day. I'm sure everybody could pass the SAS tests if given 10 chances but it is understandable that the company doesn't want to waste it's time again and again hoping that you will have your lucky day.
I don't think, though, that a NO is necessarily a NO. I have heard of at least one guy who didn't do too well on the A300 sim. SAS felt it was lack of experience and told him to re-apply after gaining some jet hours.
BTW, SAS is not the only airline with strict interview procedures. The same goes for BA, KLM, Lufthansa and most other major European airlines.
Regarding the SC guys hired pre-97 then I heard that they actually have to do a simple interview before getting accepted into SAS Airline. You might say, "why shouldn't they do the full thing?" Well, because the company already knows who they are from several years of employment.
I have done the SAS tests a few years ago and I found them very fair and generally relevant. I know that there are good pilots out there who are just as good as any SAS pilot even though they weren't accepted. We all have less fortunate days but when you go for an interview they only look at how you perform that particular day. I'm sure everybody could pass the SAS tests if given 10 chances but it is understandable that the company doesn't want to waste it's time again and again hoping that you will have your lucky day.
I don't think, though, that a NO is necessarily a NO. I have heard of at least one guy who didn't do too well on the A300 sim. SAS felt it was lack of experience and told him to re-apply after gaining some jet hours.
BTW, SAS is not the only airline with strict interview procedures. The same goes for BA, KLM, Lufthansa and most other major European airlines.
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B-744:
Who do ya fly 744s for? (If ya do?)
I know Cargolux borrows SAS's shrinks for their own interviews, never heard much talk about the other European carriers having similar tests.
I interviewed with American Airlines last fall and had to take a bunch of tests on a computer that sounds similar to what SAS give their candidates: Move 2 pins (One for left and one for rignt hand) forward and back while ya concentrate on something else, such as adding numbers and solving other problems.
Also bunch of other situations presented, spatial orientation, IQ mumbo jumbo, etc.
For each problem ya have 3 minuttes.
Not very pleasant, but I must have passed.
In addition there was a 200 question written test about your personality. Each question had 5 choices.
Rumor from other guys was to never answer 1 or 5. (Yes, I did love my mother. No, I don't want to live on a deserted island with no people around.)
(Actually I would love to: Just fish, sail, dive and make love to my harem...
)
A sim check in an old B-707.
Enough medical testing and blood samples for an astrounaut selection.
(All of the above should be un-neccesary if a guy has a bunch of time, say lots of international heavy time. Lots of PIC time.
Never had a problem, accident, incident, violation. Clean man, clean...Thats me.)
Other US companies I have worked for had different tests. It all depends how bad they need ya.
United Airlines for instance, quit giving applicants a sim ride.
Just a talk, a medical and a heavy back ground check.
(UA turned me down, did not talk well enough that day and a couple of the questions caught me off-balance: Come back in a year.)
Yes, whoever said: Ya win some, ya lose some was indeed right.
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Who do ya fly 744s for? (If ya do?)
I know Cargolux borrows SAS's shrinks for their own interviews, never heard much talk about the other European carriers having similar tests.
I interviewed with American Airlines last fall and had to take a bunch of tests on a computer that sounds similar to what SAS give their candidates: Move 2 pins (One for left and one for rignt hand) forward and back while ya concentrate on something else, such as adding numbers and solving other problems.
Also bunch of other situations presented, spatial orientation, IQ mumbo jumbo, etc.
For each problem ya have 3 minuttes.
Not very pleasant, but I must have passed.
In addition there was a 200 question written test about your personality. Each question had 5 choices.
Rumor from other guys was to never answer 1 or 5. (Yes, I did love my mother. No, I don't want to live on a deserted island with no people around.)
(Actually I would love to: Just fish, sail, dive and make love to my harem...
) A sim check in an old B-707.
Enough medical testing and blood samples for an astrounaut selection.
(All of the above should be un-neccesary if a guy has a bunch of time, say lots of international heavy time. Lots of PIC time.
Never had a problem, accident, incident, violation. Clean man, clean...Thats me.)
Other US companies I have worked for had different tests. It all depends how bad they need ya.
United Airlines for instance, quit giving applicants a sim ride.
Just a talk, a medical and a heavy back ground check.
(UA turned me down, did not talk well enough that day and a couple of the questions caught me off-balance: Come back in a year.)
Yes, whoever said: Ya win some, ya lose some was indeed right.
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Tower Dog,
Yeah, I do - for Cathay.
I am not saying that the tests in the other major airlines are exactly the same as SAS but in principle they are. Ever heard of the group excercise in BA?
Regarding SAS' safety record, I saw a list the other day of incidents (or maybe it was fatalities) per million sectors and SAS was number two in the world! Number one was Southwest, I think.
Your comment about having a lot of hours and then interviews and tests shouldn't be necessary doesn't hold. 5 years ago CX made their cargo department a separate unit and started recruiting cheap captains and F/Os. The salaries were so low that they took anyone they could get hold of without the same screening as the mainline guys. Guess what, the first year they kicked out half because they weren't up to standards. They all had 1000s of hours. A friend of mine (local guy with 250 hours) was in the sim with one guy who used to fly MD80s in the US. Despite his lack of experience, my buddy had to run the show every time.
I know that experience counts for a lot but not everything. Being switched on helps a lot too.
BTW Towerdog, er du lige begyndt hos AA på 727? Kender du min gamle kammerat, Atif? Han er fransk og sort som natten. Han er også på 727 i Miami.
PS: Why are we speaking English? I thought this was a scandinavian forum!
Yeah, I do - for Cathay.
I am not saying that the tests in the other major airlines are exactly the same as SAS but in principle they are. Ever heard of the group excercise in BA?
Regarding SAS' safety record, I saw a list the other day of incidents (or maybe it was fatalities) per million sectors and SAS was number two in the world! Number one was Southwest, I think.
Your comment about having a lot of hours and then interviews and tests shouldn't be necessary doesn't hold. 5 years ago CX made their cargo department a separate unit and started recruiting cheap captains and F/Os. The salaries were so low that they took anyone they could get hold of without the same screening as the mainline guys. Guess what, the first year they kicked out half because they weren't up to standards. They all had 1000s of hours. A friend of mine (local guy with 250 hours) was in the sim with one guy who used to fly MD80s in the US. Despite his lack of experience, my buddy had to run the show every time.
I know that experience counts for a lot but not everything. Being switched on helps a lot too.
BTW Towerdog, er du lige begyndt hos AA på 727? Kender du min gamle kammerat, Atif? Han er fransk og sort som natten. Han er også på 727 i Miami.
PS: Why are we speaking English? I thought this was a scandinavian forum!
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Well, I guess we are speaking English for the benefit of the rest of the Nordic countries. (Iceland and Finland)
Roger on the cheap crews in Cathay.
Although it sure sounds like an extreme example that yer 250 hour bud was running the sim as the MD 80 guy was behind.
On the other hand, one gets what one pays for...
As for flying safety and screening:
Well, Southwest has an impressive safety record considering the number of sectors they
fly. To qualify for a pilots job there ya just tell a few stories about your past and how ya helped little old ladies across the street...No advanced aptitude testing and such. And ya also need to hold a B-737 capts type-rating. And 1000 hours pic on turbine equipment.
As for SAS's accident record, glad to hear they are up around the top. Especially considering the winter weather up and down the Norwegain coast.
As far as I remember, the only 2 airlines in the world that never had an accident was Quantas and Southwest. That changed a year or 2 ago when both companies ran of the runway.
It is just a matter of time, it will happen to everybody as long as there is the human element involved.
No, don't know yer French buddy over at AA.
As for IQ testing and such in the US.
The actual IQ tests were out-lawed in 1978 so nobody would be discriminated against if they were not, uh, the brightest.
Instead of IQ tests, the various corporations
started asking for college degrees, as it was known that college graduates usually had a higher IQ and made better and more productive employees.
Now it seems that the official word on the kind of aptitude/IQ tests companies like AA gives the applicants is that it can see the future and predict if you will have a mental disease later in life. (Stroke or seizure I guess.)
Perhaps a way to circumwent the law??
So how is life in Cathay? The new airport working out okay?
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Roger on the cheap crews in Cathay.
Although it sure sounds like an extreme example that yer 250 hour bud was running the sim as the MD 80 guy was behind.
On the other hand, one gets what one pays for...
As for flying safety and screening:
Well, Southwest has an impressive safety record considering the number of sectors they
fly. To qualify for a pilots job there ya just tell a few stories about your past and how ya helped little old ladies across the street...No advanced aptitude testing and such. And ya also need to hold a B-737 capts type-rating. And 1000 hours pic on turbine equipment.
As for SAS's accident record, glad to hear they are up around the top. Especially considering the winter weather up and down the Norwegain coast.
As far as I remember, the only 2 airlines in the world that never had an accident was Quantas and Southwest. That changed a year or 2 ago when both companies ran of the runway.
It is just a matter of time, it will happen to everybody as long as there is the human element involved.
No, don't know yer French buddy over at AA.
As for IQ testing and such in the US.
The actual IQ tests were out-lawed in 1978 so nobody would be discriminated against if they were not, uh, the brightest.
Instead of IQ tests, the various corporations
started asking for college degrees, as it was known that college graduates usually had a higher IQ and made better and more productive employees.
Now it seems that the official word on the kind of aptitude/IQ tests companies like AA gives the applicants is that it can see the future and predict if you will have a mental disease later in life. (Stroke or seizure I guess.)
Perhaps a way to circumwent the law??
So how is life in Cathay? The new airport working out okay?
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Without wanting to discredit the Southwest guys, but they do mostly fly around the south-western part of the US which, as you indicate yourself, is not Northern Norway. I have no doubt, though, that the Southwest guys are great but I guess perhaps the company also has a good check & training machine which means a lot, too.
Cathay would have been way up on the list, too, but was only 23rd, if it wasn't for a bomb which exploded onboard in the 60's.
Mht. cx så må jeg hellere skrive på dansk af frygt for at blive hevet ind på kontoret mandag morgen. Man kan jo læse det meste på fragrant harbour forum og det er jo stort set kun negativt. Der er rigtig mange ting som jeg ikke er enig med firmaet i. De prøver hele tiden små tricks for går den så går den. Vores pilotforening er heldigvis blevet stærkere men desværre har vi ikke helt samme arbejdslovgivning som i skandinavien eller US. De sidste mange år har de kun snakket om industry standard og market forces hver gang de skulle have os til noget. Således fik de vores A-skala piloter til at gå 20-30% ned i løn for to år siden. Nu har I så i USA fået kæmpe lønstigninger og derfor vil vi naturligvis også have noget mere, men firmaet vil selvfølgelig ikke snakke "industry standard" mere. Vores styrmandsløn ligger egentlig meget tæt på USA men som kaptajn er cx noget lavere, ligesom vores pension heller ikke er ligeså god.
Det skal dog siges at det hele ikke er noget lort. Jeg takkede nej til SAS for et par år siden og har trods alt ikke fortrudt. Lønnen kommer stadig hver måned, skatten er et "symbolsk" beløb på 15%, vi flyver gode fly med gode og flinke kollegaer som alle er dygtige piloter og efter 8-10 år er man kaptajn på en wide-body.
Cx er et godt firma at begynde i hvis man er under 30, ugift og ikke har noget imod at bo i HK, fordi man således kan spare en masse op som kan kompensere for den knapt så gode pension. Jeg var 26 da jeg sagde nej til SAS, havde jeg været over 30 og med familie var der nok ikke nogen tvivl om at jeg havde fløjet MD80 nu.
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Cathay would have been way up on the list, too, but was only 23rd, if it wasn't for a bomb which exploded onboard in the 60's.
Mht. cx så må jeg hellere skrive på dansk af frygt for at blive hevet ind på kontoret mandag morgen. Man kan jo læse det meste på fragrant harbour forum og det er jo stort set kun negativt. Der er rigtig mange ting som jeg ikke er enig med firmaet i. De prøver hele tiden små tricks for går den så går den. Vores pilotforening er heldigvis blevet stærkere men desværre har vi ikke helt samme arbejdslovgivning som i skandinavien eller US. De sidste mange år har de kun snakket om industry standard og market forces hver gang de skulle have os til noget. Således fik de vores A-skala piloter til at gå 20-30% ned i løn for to år siden. Nu har I så i USA fået kæmpe lønstigninger og derfor vil vi naturligvis også have noget mere, men firmaet vil selvfølgelig ikke snakke "industry standard" mere. Vores styrmandsløn ligger egentlig meget tæt på USA men som kaptajn er cx noget lavere, ligesom vores pension heller ikke er ligeså god.
Det skal dog siges at det hele ikke er noget lort. Jeg takkede nej til SAS for et par år siden og har trods alt ikke fortrudt. Lønnen kommer stadig hver måned, skatten er et "symbolsk" beløb på 15%, vi flyver gode fly med gode og flinke kollegaer som alle er dygtige piloter og efter 8-10 år er man kaptajn på en wide-body.
Cx er et godt firma at begynde i hvis man er under 30, ugift og ikke har noget imod at bo i HK, fordi man således kan spare en masse op som kan kompensere for den knapt så gode pension. Jeg var 26 da jeg sagde nej til SAS, havde jeg været over 30 og med familie var der nok ikke nogen tvivl om at jeg havde fløjet MD80 nu.
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Roger on CX.
Joda, det er nok sikkert at CX er et bra selskap. Jeg har fløyet som pax der mange ganger og hadde lite å klage på...
Har ikke søkt der selv, trodde kanskje det var vanskelig med arbeidstilattels hvis man ikke var fra et av "Commonwealth" landene?
har hørt at man må gå gjennom et coctail selskap med sjefene som endel av screening processen. Stemmer det??
Kjenner dog noen som dro over ifjor. Var det da på den "B" lønnskalaen du nevnte? Eller
ble det slutt på den?
Kjente du den CX skipperen som fikk sparken etter at kastet peanøtter på sjefen..?..
Ah, må legge på nå, har fridager og skal på seiltur. Livet er ikke værst her i USA, spesielt i Florida.
Fly safe.
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Joda, det er nok sikkert at CX er et bra selskap. Jeg har fløyet som pax der mange ganger og hadde lite å klage på...
Har ikke søkt der selv, trodde kanskje det var vanskelig med arbeidstilattels hvis man ikke var fra et av "Commonwealth" landene?
har hørt at man må gå gjennom et coctail selskap med sjefene som endel av screening processen. Stemmer det??
Kjenner dog noen som dro over ifjor. Var det da på den "B" lønnskalaen du nevnte? Eller
ble det slutt på den?
Kjente du den CX skipperen som fikk sparken etter at kastet peanøtter på sjefen..?..
Ah, må legge på nå, har fridager og skal på seiltur. Livet er ikke værst her i USA, spesielt i Florida.
Fly safe.
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I don't think the point is actually about the tests themselves. Its the 'No means Never' principle. That candidates once rejected may not reapply.
IQ's remain fairly constant and all the practice you can do won't make much difference to this part of the procedure but the rest is totally flexible.
I don't know any other company which has the stated policy of not accepting reapplications.
BA do-See Wannabees.
IQ's remain fairly constant and all the practice you can do won't make much difference to this part of the procedure but the rest is totally flexible.
I don't know any other company which has the stated policy of not accepting reapplications.
BA do-See Wannabees.
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Mr. Moto,
As you said, peoples intelligence probably doesn't change much and I am sure that for most, the same goes for personality. Therefore, isn't it fair enough that they don't give a second chance on the psychology tests? If someone didn't pass the first time, what is the chance that he/she will make it second time around?
Towerdog,
It is true that CX used to only hire pilots from Commonwealth countries, but that changed 5 years ago when they started taking Americans and continental Europeans.
Regarding pay scales, then everyone hired before 04/93 are on A-scale, everyone after are on B-scale. I think the difference is 25-30%, but we are working on A-scale for everybody. The guys flying the freighter are on about half the salary of B-scale, but as it is now they get a number on the CX seniority list and can move over to the passenger fleet after 3 years.
As you said, peoples intelligence probably doesn't change much and I am sure that for most, the same goes for personality. Therefore, isn't it fair enough that they don't give a second chance on the psychology tests? If someone didn't pass the first time, what is the chance that he/she will make it second time around?
Towerdog,
It is true that CX used to only hire pilots from Commonwealth countries, but that changed 5 years ago when they started taking Americans and continental Europeans.
Regarding pay scales, then everyone hired before 04/93 are on A-scale, everyone after are on B-scale. I think the difference is 25-30%, but we are working on A-scale for everybody. The guys flying the freighter are on about half the salary of B-scale, but as it is now they get a number on the CX seniority list and can move over to the passenger fleet after 3 years.
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Now this is an interesting topic....SAS Bashing!!
I myself has been spent most of my life in Sweden, and I both like and dislike the country for many reasons.....Taxes being one of the negative aspects....
Well now to SAS, I realy do not care much about it as I don´t work there myself, but I must reflect on some facts.
Swedes are generally well balanced people who normally thinks before they speek....exeptions do exist.
In the old days forigners, -be it Europeans or anything else than Scandinavians, could have only dreamed of ever getting a job with SAS....no so long ago though.....say 15 years ago. I think, and hope all that has changed now, and so has those in the selection team one would hope.
I myself was axed in the selection some 15 years ago, and how differcult that may have been at the time, I´m now sure it was for the best. At the time I was rather young and realy didnt care much about company-politics....I just wanted to fly! Now however I realise that I would not have been happy there for many reasons....mostly social.
Thanks to this "failure" I now work for one of the largest most respected European airlines with a much faster career development than I could ever have had with SAS. But most importantly: I´m very happy here, with everything from salary to social climate.
I must conclude that the Swedes who where scrambling me in that selection did their job well....they did not waste mine nor SAS time.
I seriously doubt there is anything wrong with me or SAS, we where just not made for eachother....and the selection team had the professionalism to pick it up. However it was for me to figure out what the reason was, as SAS has the somewhat non professional idea of not letting you now why you have been rejected.
I wish to let everyone know that as professional as they may be at SAS this is a point where they simply fail, as they will never tell you that maybe things in there organisation are not good enough for you. This leaves many to believe the failure is yours as a candidate....that is simply not so. How good SAS may be I know many many pilots who work for larger and "better" airlines than SAS, even though they where once rejected at SAS.
It is simply for everyone to belive in themselfs and realise that SAS is simply one Airline of all in the world, with conditions far below many other potential future employers.....also don´t forget that SAS is mainly a commuter airline to the more global European carriers.
Good Luck to all of you be it at SAS or anywhere else.
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I myself has been spent most of my life in Sweden, and I both like and dislike the country for many reasons.....Taxes being one of the negative aspects....
Well now to SAS, I realy do not care much about it as I don´t work there myself, but I must reflect on some facts.
Swedes are generally well balanced people who normally thinks before they speek....exeptions do exist.
In the old days forigners, -be it Europeans or anything else than Scandinavians, could have only dreamed of ever getting a job with SAS....no so long ago though.....say 15 years ago. I think, and hope all that has changed now, and so has those in the selection team one would hope.
I myself was axed in the selection some 15 years ago, and how differcult that may have been at the time, I´m now sure it was for the best. At the time I was rather young and realy didnt care much about company-politics....I just wanted to fly! Now however I realise that I would not have been happy there for many reasons....mostly social.
Thanks to this "failure" I now work for one of the largest most respected European airlines with a much faster career development than I could ever have had with SAS. But most importantly: I´m very happy here, with everything from salary to social climate.
I must conclude that the Swedes who where scrambling me in that selection did their job well....they did not waste mine nor SAS time.
I seriously doubt there is anything wrong with me or SAS, we where just not made for eachother....and the selection team had the professionalism to pick it up. However it was for me to figure out what the reason was, as SAS has the somewhat non professional idea of not letting you now why you have been rejected.
I wish to let everyone know that as professional as they may be at SAS this is a point where they simply fail, as they will never tell you that maybe things in there organisation are not good enough for you. This leaves many to believe the failure is yours as a candidate....that is simply not so. How good SAS may be I know many many pilots who work for larger and "better" airlines than SAS, even though they where once rejected at SAS.
It is simply for everyone to belive in themselfs and realise that SAS is simply one Airline of all in the world, with conditions far below many other potential future employers.....also don´t forget that SAS is mainly a commuter airline to the more global European carriers.
Good Luck to all of you be it at SAS or anywhere else.
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