Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Nordic Forum
Reload this Page >

Job with Norwegian on a Parc contract

Nordic Forum It smells a bit of snow and ice and big hairy vikings chasing lusty maidens around after lots of mjød and loud partying. Forum languages are Svenska, Dansk, Norsk & English.

Job with Norwegian on a Parc contract

Old 23rd Dec 2011, 15:03
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Norway
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Angel Job with Norwegian on a Parc contract

Hi there fellow aviators, does anyone have any first hand information about salaries, yearly increase, per diem, housing allowance, insurances, pension plan schemes - if any, rostering, working days off - compensation?

Start as F/O, upgrades possible at all??
Bases, any idea where and will commuting be possible?

I know from my own experience that Parc is one of the best companies to work for as a contract pilot, but its been a while since I last worked as a contractor and the aviation contract world has changed a lot with the rest of the industry.
Grateful for any accurate information.
BR, Floats
Floats is offline  
Old 23rd Dec 2011, 16:07
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: upper hemisphere
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes is has apprently been quite a while since you worked as a contractor

From what I've heard the F/O salaray is 5100E in total (including per diems and housing allowance). You cannot expect pension, yearly salary increase or any upgrade. Roster should be 5/4 5/3 and working days off I'm not sure about... As for basing it's most likely Malaga but this can change I guess.You can read more about the contract in the thread "Norwegian nå og fremover" just below. Good luck

/LHN

edit: added name of thread
LeftHeadingNorth is offline  
Old 23rd Dec 2011, 16:23
  #3 (permalink)  

SkyGod
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Palm Coast, Florida, USA
Age: 66
Posts: 1,532
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
How does the contractors fit in on the seniority list..?

2 different lists? (or more)
TowerDog is offline  
Old 23rd Dec 2011, 21:47
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: HON121º/14 NM
Posts: 664
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Contractors fit onto the seniority list at the bottom under the heading of "bottom of the heap" ie they have no seniority. Any 'privilege' depends on what the contract agency may have negotiated for you.
Firestorm is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2011, 08:44
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: USofA
Age: 54
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Contractors fit onto the seniority list at the bottom under the heading of "bottom of the heap" ie they have no seniority.

Does that mean that the guys at the bottom of the real DY list are never going to move up? They will just stay at the bottom forever?
NAIA is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2011, 10:22
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: FUBAR
Posts: 3,348
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Duh ! if no one joins after you, as a full time employee, then of course you will remain at the bottom of the list, however as contractors have no company seniority/ rights ,you are always ahead of them anyhow in reality.
As others retire/leave you will move closer to the top of the list until one day you find yourself at the top . . . & then shortly afterwards you leave/retire, & the list doesn't exist, & everyone is employed on crummy contract terms , rather than the lovely , but expensive for "poor" Norwegian, contract.
This is, of course, the long term game plan, how much blame you place on Contractors just trying to earn a living, versus full time guys, who along with their Unions can't agree amongst themselves, may be clouded by your own status.
At the end of the day , it doesn't matter who is to be blame/ or being blamed, what is important is that it is being allowed to happen, & another company currently offering industry leading T's & C's is in the process of going down the toilet as far as good permanent contracts are concerned.
It is an excellent contract ,for a contracting pilot, it is the full-time guys who should be doing something about it.

As the song goes "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next"

Merry Xmas to all flying Rudolph liveried aircraft, I hope you can stick together & put an end to being sold down the river by your management
( & these good wishes from a "Contract" pilot, who nonetheless wishes to defend all of our T's & C's industry wide,) It isn't because many of us are envious of your permanent contracted terms , that we wish to devalue them, but it is for you to defend them, not for us to refuse a nice contract job if you have allowed your management to make it available.
if you won't defend yourself, it is not for us to cut off our nose to spite our face by boycotting a lucrative temporary contract .
captplaystation is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2011, 10:38
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: South of the Border
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
CAPT, you sound like DY management:
"the lovely , but expensive contract... industry leading T's & C"....

Are you even aware of the cost of living in Scandi-land? Working 900 hrs a year on average (or less) pay is hardly industry leading.. You´re probably better off flying t-props up north. Having said that, the alternatives to the present contract are sadly even worse.

Oh and btw, who are you kidding, of course it matters who´s to blame!

Last edited by Goldenbawls; 25th Dec 2011 at 20:39. Reason: christmas spirit
Goldenbawls is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2011, 11:22
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Norway
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think it would be right to assume that the guys flying t-props up north are the happiest bunch of pilots in Norway today... Never spoke to a pilot in WF that had anything bad to say about their workspace, as for DY and SK... the list goes on...

After what i've heard, moral is plummeting amongst DY pilots because of the way the company is evolving.. that shure must come back and kick Kjos in the ass someday... (lets hope)

As for the Hel guys... they must be really pissed off now that new hires are offered almost twice the pay on parc contract, as for the arpi contract??

Merry Xmas!!!
Earlybird. is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2011, 17:12
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: FUBAR
Posts: 3,348
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Goldenbawls, even with your high taxes/cost of living, the Norwegian contract (full time) as it was described to me a couple of years back was very OK maybe it changed for the worse in the intervening time ?
As to me , or any contractor ,being the problem, how do you work that out ? if the pilots, or the Union(s) had the strength to oppose it (I know Ryanair have never managed, but Hey, you guys are unionised right? ) it would never have happened, & the door would not have been opened to these divide & conquer tactics that Earlybird refers to.
Given the companies social payments, I would imagine your full-time contract is "expensive" for the company, if not as lucrative to you as it should be given the companies total spend. Of course it is the avoidance of these costs that have formed the excuse to introduce temporary contractors into the equation, but, as I said, whose fault is it, that they have been able to do this ?
captplaystation is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2011, 03:19
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: USofA
Age: 54
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Goldenbawls, even with your high taxes/cost of living, the Norwegian contract (full time) as it was described to me a couple of years back was very OK
Funny. The contract has only been in existence for 12 weeks.

The ultimate question is about future commands. Will they go 'internal' or 'external'? My guess is that they will be offered, in seniority, as a PARC contract. Want a command upgrade? Sign this PARC Contract first. Don't want to? No problem, stay on as a career FO as as long as you want. Next in line, please!

There is ALWAYS someone willing to accept lower terms if it means jumping the que. The same goes for bases, fleets or promotions. Of course management know this, and by the look of things are prepared to implement every part of Airline Management 101, of which 'open' Commands (through a new contract) is vital to fragmenting the union.

Watch this space. Expansion generates new commands - where the expansion is.

Last edited by NAIA; 25th Dec 2011 at 06:15.
NAIA is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2011, 13:21
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Norway
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
NAIA, is the case now that FOs in Norwegian on fulltime employment are offered upgrade if they go over to Parc contract?
Earlybird. is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2011, 14:19
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: FUBAR
Posts: 3,348
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
NAIA,

as I said " Norwegian contract (full time) " . . . . I.E full time permanently contracted employees, NOT contractors.

Earlybird, if that is the case, the rot is setting in even faster than I could have envisaged.
Shame.

Happy Xmas anyhow.
captplaystation is offline  
Old 3rd Jan 2012, 16:29
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Around
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hi guys,

Can anyone please give some insight in the requirements for this position? And are they still recruiting or have they filled all postions?

Thanks,
Climb
Climb 350 is offline  
Old 3rd Jan 2012, 21:58
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: South of the Border
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It´s a growing airline, so hiring must continue for quite some time. The requirements are posted right here:

Application First Officers - Norwegian

AFAIK they´re hiring from all categories, at least A + B. In other words, minimum 100 hours PIC, no requirement for type rating
Goldenbawls is offline  
Old 3rd Jan 2012, 22:52
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Norway
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I love this part:

- Accept to be simchecked at own expence if holding a rating.

Like you haven't been screwed enough by putting out 200.000 for a TR, you have to pay for your own simcheck.

Has anyone yet payed for a simcheck at DY? Is it possible to exploit young and willing more than this??

Will DY go bankrupt if they pay for something that actually gives them reassurance? (Like reassurance has been very important with their previous coffee cup interviews)

A while ago DY gave applicants a test where they got pictures of airplanes and had to identify the type.. So if you can tell the difference between a 747 and a 737 you're qualified!!
Earlybird. is offline  
Old 4th Jan 2012, 14:20
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Around
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Anyone already gone through the selection process? Any tips on what and how to prepare?

Paying for TR is not what the market used to be like, but it is what the market is like today...
Climb 350 is offline  
Old 4th Jan 2012, 15:26
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Cold and Dark
Age: 44
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Paying for TR is not what the market used to be like, but it is what the market is like today...
True.

Just like pilots used to have experience. They used to have professional pride. They used to know the difference between intent and the limits of language.

To the market today.

Kids buying right-hands seats in an industry where the CAD has failed their passengers to the benefit of shareholders and short term profits.
ENSA is offline  
Old 5th Jan 2012, 04:59
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They used to know the difference between intent and the limits of language.
Om så är fallet har jag hittills inte träffat någon på detta forum, är ganska säker på att det inte är något s i
right-hands seats
Hank the F/C is offline  
Old 5th Jan 2012, 13:23
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Tellus
Posts: 93
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Godt Nytt alle sammen!

Tidligere var referanser avgjørende for å karre seg til et intervju hos NAS.
I dag med disse Olsen-banden byråene som mellom aktør, hva er utslagsgivende nå ? Kun CV og antall timer, eller ingen endring i praksis ?

Var selv for noen måneder siden på en short-list tiltenkt testing for HEL. Da ting endret seg, ble det hele nærmest utsatt. Jeg hadde da i forkant søkt ARPI, men ble kontaktet av NAS ang den påtenkte testingen.

Kan jeg anta å bli automatisk kalt inn ved neste korsvei, eller er det nye kort og kluter?
Forventer ikke et entydig svar, kun synspunkter på hva som foregår om dagen.
Prater jo med mine "refs", slik at jeg får noe info, men det ser ut til at mangelen på info er relativt stor.
f
falconetti is offline  
Old 5th Jan 2012, 13:37
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Cold and Dark
Age: 44
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Om så är fallet har jag hittills inte träffat någon på detta forum, är ganska säker på att det inte är något s i
Right over your head, dear chap.

The reference was to OM-A, OM-B and the FCTM. There are still situations not covered by text, where experience and general knowledge might save the day in a situation otherwise lost in the haze of conflicting EICAS messages and general discrepancies where the only saving grace involves pitch. power and prioritization.

The intent of the procedure is not always 100% covered by the wording, because pure step-by-step logic fails when worlds collide.

And you're quoting my grammar. Idiot.


Last edited by ENSA; 5th Jan 2012 at 13:47.
ENSA is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.