CaptainProp

Happy New Year to all!

Some months ago there was a thread here about West air and their type rating / pay for a job deal. I kind of advised people to to hang in there and wait for better deals to show up. I think the price asked by some TP / regional operators to get a right seat is just crazy. Pay a bit more, get a jet rating and a reasonable pay check in return for your investment....

On flightglobal.com Sigmar is offering a self-sponsored typerating program giving rating, line training and a contract to nov-07.
Now, concidering the course is in LTN I think it's a contract with either easyjet or Monarch. Now, looking at the deliveries we are getting next year and the new order that was placed a few weeks ago, I think you will be offered a full term contract/extension to that. If not, you will have atleast 4-500 hrs on type and will be able to get a job somewhere else..
Now, I have no idea how much this costs or what the terms are, but it looks like a good way to "get in" and get your first job...

Good luck to all of you!
/CP

highdownwind

West Air doesn't require new crewmembers to pay for their ratings anymore. I believe the offer is 3 years bonding instead. A good trend I'd say.

berserker

Almost true,
the guys that started in 2006 didnt pay for their TR. Bonding 2 years.
Those who are doing TR now will have to fund 33% or so themselves. So all in all not to bad of a deal

Griffin

As long as You have to pay to get a job it is always a bad deal.

Jimmy The Big Greek

Are you sure about that Berserker? Where did you hear that?

Jimmy The Big Greek

ok, I checked your profile. I guess you know what your talking about.

Damn that sucks. I was going to apply to them. They are hiring again Mars/April.
How much can I expect to have to pay?

CaptainProp

So, looks like some of you guys still prefer to pay for a TP rating to fly an old ac and then will prob end up having to pay in the future again to get on a jet....

Just thought Id get your eyes over the horizon to see beyond the fantastic Sacandinavian aviation market ¨

Good luck to all of you what ever path you choose!

/CP

vikingdk

Well for those of us who haven`t trained in the UK, this is a no go Specific requirement is UK CAA approved school and MCC course...and surprise...no danish, norwegian or swedish schools approved.

berserker

Check your PM Jimmy

CaptainProp

Ok, that may be true...like I said, I dont know all the details.
/CP

Apollo24

Pay for Type Ratings! Is this still going on? I thought Europe has a pilot shortage?
Guys you are selling your selves short. That's why you get the poor treatment from the operators and FTO's, see DanFly and RYR posts. You pay 150.000-225.000 SEK or whatever it costs to get a job flying an MD80/B737 that in turn pays you 14,000SEK/month(Nordic. RYR might be more. ). Don't forget the 40,000SEK for the 3 takeoff and landings that is taken from your paycheck the first 4 months. That leaves you with.........? My math isn't the best, but I get 4,000SEK/month. How does one survive on this?
I can actually understand those who pay for a B737 type to get a job with South West Airlines for 7000 USD(50,000SEK), being that this is a career move with salaries of 50,000 USD(1st year) and over 100,000 USD after the 3rd year as an FO. I still don't agree with the SFTR (self funded TypeRating), but 7000 dollars is much less than 150,000 SEK and you work for a great company, not a small operation that might be out of business in a year.
These companies don't hire the best candidate, but the cheapest. The person who costs the least. This is a frightening trend, both for our profession and for safety. Don't buy into the "if I don't do it, someone else will" mentality. These operators will hire pilots without SFTR's when the supply dries up. They will then hire the best candidate for the job(be it by experience or trainability). Don't we as professionals owe that to the travelling public?

Take care fly safe.

Der_dk.

Hi all

The Sigmar aviation thing is Jet bridge course - TR and LT (Min. 150 hrs) Done with MyTravel UK. Total price is £32K. A bit to much for me, but thats the deal as they described it to me

God vind - DER

Jimmy The Big Greek

Yes, that is the MINIMUM requirement. I am pretty sure that they will not take anyone without turbine time.

santos dumont

Norrington: If you have 500ME or 1000TT you can apply to Randhem, they will provide you the type rating on B737 when you sign a 3 year contract with JetAirways in India. (They need 100-150 pilots)
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Anyone,

Let's say you go through Randhem and sign a three year contract with Jet Airways in India as a F/O. With some flying time you had previously you meet the requirements to make captain at the end of year one. Do you still have to fly F/O for the rest of the three years ? Or will they upgrade you. This question is not hypothetical.

For those that think it is a funny question, that is exactly how an operator in Japan works. You sign a F/O contract with them and they will hire less experienced captains over you. Very frustrating I am told !

Also what exactly is the deal between Jet and Randhem ? Who pays for your type rating ? Is it Jet ? Or does Randhem get part of your salary ? Or what ?

Thanks

dimitrispa31

mr santos you believe that in a year flying the b737 you will be ready to occupy the left seat?Flying a jet is not flying a cessna,you have responsibility of alot of lifes.You think its so easy,have you ever flown for an airline?Being a cpt is really demanding,its not just get an atp and then left seat! Being a cpt means decision making at all times,good decision making means good experience,1000 hours on a b737 is not big experience man!

santos dumont

I'm not saying I WILL be ready, I'm saying I COULD be ready. Air Deccan would have hired me as a captain on their ATR if I had an Indian license - I captain a twin turboprop already.

But that is beside the point. My question really was 'What if someone is ready for it etc..... are you still bound by your copilot contract...'

How is it working for Aegean. Are you a captain there ? Is it that hard flying a jet ? What are the requirements for the left seat there ? Do you know what the requirements are at JET ?

SD

dimitrispa31

left seat for aegean is minimum 5 years airline experience flying jets,and 3000 hours b737 as an aegean f/o.Then if they think you are ready you can go for upgrade.Safety for aegean comes first thats why they really want to have high experienced captains.I believe that with this way a f/o upgrading is really ready and has the skills needed for this high demanding job.Take care guys,have happy landings.

Fellow Aviator

dimitrispa31: Why would a TP captain have trouble moving to a jet PIC after an year or two on the right hand seat? The years on a turboprop are not valuable? The diversity of experience is where airmanship and knowledge come from. Five years of jet flying under the sun is nothing compared to flying a TP in harsh winter conditions.

I have never flown a jet, but is it really so much harder that it takes five years to learn for an experienced chap?

santos dumont

Now, Aegean might be the exception to the rule, but generally every aviation company out there holds the highest possible standards.... until they have no one to fill the seats and then the requirements come crumbling down to what you have !!

Anyone know what's in the SOPs at Jet ? Although I have even seen SOP minimums violated through 'exceptions'...

SD

Norwegian

All flying is about responsibility, and captaincy in all it forms. Size does not matter, unless your in bed.

I couldn`t resist, my apology.