Anyone ready to place bets which one is first out of business, SAS or Alitalia?
Both pilot unions are doing their best to get their members out of the jobs...

So funny I forgot to laugh. Sad attitude to something that could affect so many people and not at least terms for pilots in the whole region.... but well the ego - flu seems to be widespread nowadays

Indsigt og viden kan nogen gange være en belastning....
Manglen på samme er det åbenbart også!

Mvh.

i read about it in the news paper and my friends who are going from ECKH to madrid are pretty worried right now

what was the conflict about? the newspaper didn't write more about the count of flights that are planned to cancellation

As usual a long story, but the bottom line for the Pilots seems to be furloughs and specifically how they are handled (seniority lists.....)
Rgds.

Tjaa, der er dem, der altid makker ret af frygt, for at miste deres job. Og så er der dem, for hvem ret og selvrespekt er mere vigtigt.

Jeg kan godt forstå at det er ubehageligt, endnu en gang, at blive konfronteret med sin egen kuelighed. Men at bruge det som udgangspunkt, for at ønske det værste for dem der tør, er usmageligt.

My opinion is that SAS will face a great difficulties and they have to cease flying on some, mainly long-haul routes. According to my best knowledge destinations as NYC and other East coast ones are in danger to vanish from SAS route map. Even if the load factors on these routes are good, but the structure and huge "non-profitable-part-of-organisation" uses all the gained profits.
Also I wonder why SAS do not enter in Finnair best routings as Helsinki-Far East ones, once the Blue! gets the European connections from Helsinki ready, they might do so, we'll see.

Sorry, I am not able to provide this in any other language.

So here we go again... Thread started in english deserves an answer in english. Not all Finns are fluent in the Scandinavian dialects.
Is it a must to degenerate the discussion to the level it has reached now???

JJ

It is probably not very accurate to ask whether SAS will go down the drain, as it is multitude of companys allready. I do not see why SAS Denmark and SAS Sweden should not have a future.
When it comes to SASBraathens, I think the future is pretty bleak. With the Braathens union's most recent move, it is hard to see that this company will ever be able to operate as one unit. Traditionally in the airline industry, scabs are not tolerated. This will not be an exception. The Braathens pilots probably think that they are helping their airline and it's management. But in fact they are achieving the opposite: The last nail in the coffin for the integration process in SASBraathens.

Another interesting subject in this matter, is how these Braathens pilots will be received around the world. Will they be blacklisted?
If I was one of them, I would get out of their union ASAP. Just to save my own skin!

Maris

Sorry!
What I meant to say was that Kopeloi's remarks were without insight and knowledge, and that makes it tiresome.......
Rgds.

I guess SAS didn't fold so I would say Alitalia then.....I'm sure I'll get bashed by the Italians now

Anyways, did the SAS pilots gain anything during these 3 days?

Sas definately, but only for a while until Air Mexico or Finnair is buying them.

Alitalia definately first. Then the italian guys might come northbound to apply for crap T&C jobs at SK, cause' SK guys are leaving the ship now. And that is mainly because of a total lack of confidence of the management.

Total income for the whole SAS group is finally going to show black figures, but SK share of production is being cut constantly, contrary to all nice promises from management during the last years. And the management isnt even sorry, they want us to leave. Just plain facts, sorry to say.

SK_X

It is sad to see some people's eagerness to assume the role of cheerleader, every time the management try to erode T&C further.
Perhaps a case of "let's bring everybody down to my level" so they can feel better about their own situation, or perhaps just a case of good old schadenfreude and pettiness.
Either way, it is pathetic.

As I said, der er mus og der er mænd.

P.S. Judging from the PMs I get, there is no shortage of people who understand what I am saying.

Mouse or man right? I guess either as long as you achieve what you need to achieve with your actions.

My question still stands, did the pilots at SK gain anything on this?

I realize this is the century of instant gratification, but sometimes you have to take the longer view.

I doubt there was hope of any instant gain behind this action, but the signal value is perhaps of much greater importance. I doubt the resolve of the SK pilots will be questioned by SK management from now on. Well, the resolve of some SK pilots anyway.

And why the hell are we speaking english on a thread about SAS anyway?

Very kind from you to keep it in english that Finns can follow up. Is it confirmed that SAS is moving MD90's for Blue1 operations? From where the crews come from?

Already the vultures are circling.

Myopia leads to ris til egen røv.

According to my best knowledge Blue1 is about to have 3-4 MD90 aircraft and most probably those planes are from SAS fleet. From where the crews come, I do´'t know but I assume that most of the airlines provide own crews
Maybe they need some training captains etc. at the beginning.

Seems like MO really knows what he is talking about.
Of course everyone that doesn't see this his way is a scab. That means everyone going to work and doing the job they were hired to do and not supporting an "action" that according to the union doesn't exist. According to MO that means every pilot working for SAS, except for a few "sick" norwegian pilots, are scabs. Or does MO think there is a difference depending on what union a pilot is a member of?
We can all dig out some pretty harse names in this "conflict" but in all seriousness please take a moment and think before you post this kind of accusations next time.
G-B