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Originally Posted by shed loads
(Post 12066582)
I’m not sure I see any "winners" in this sorry episode
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 12066595)
There are many winners, as in most conflicts, they just aren't on the battlefield.
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Donald Trump is attacking CNN after the network aired the full statement from Iran’s Supreme National Security Council saying it achieved a “great victory” and forced the U.S. to accept its 10-point plan. In a furious response, Trump called CNN’s reporting a “FRAUD” and demanded a retraction, and said "authorities are looking to determine whether or not a crime was committed"—despite the network simply relaying Iran’s official statement. |
Going back to the warcrime issue of civilians standing on bridges etc, I think the difference is in the Iraq war Saddam used western hostages against their will which would be deemed a war crime.
Iran simply asked for volunteers who turned up to protect their land, which, as they were freely there of their own free will, I cannot see that being a warcrime unless forced. |
In 2015, a contract was agreed upon with Iran. The Western powers agreed to lift many of the sanctions placed on Iran, while Iran agreed to put its nuclear programme under international supervision. The Strait of Hormuz was open and trade flowed freely.
Today, a ceasefire was agreed upon with Iran. I´ll repeat the image posted by ORAC: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6b23c0dda3.png Iran agrees not to seek nuclear armament, albeit without international supervision. The sanctions are to be lifted entirely. The strait of Hormuz is no longer closed, but subject to restrictions. And so on. If this is what a win looks like in Mr Trumps books, then I do not want to see what constitutes a defeat for him. This utter failure is entirely of Mr Trumps own making. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 12066603)
Iran simply asked for volunteers who turned up to protect their land, which, as they were freely there of their own free will, I cannot see that being a warcrime unless forced.
Like all laws there is small print, which is why lawyers exist. The only "court" this is being tried in is the court of public opinion, which has somewhat more flexible interpretations of what is acceptable or not. |
Iran International English:
Iran’s Farsi-language version of its ceasefire proposal includes “acceptance of enrichment,” a provision not present in English versions, the Associated Press reported on Tuesday, highlighting discrepancies in how Tehran is presenting its terms. |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 12066619)
In the context of international law, it makes no difference if it was voluntary or not. In this instance it was solicited, so would be considered a warcrime, one in a long list during recent conflicts.
Like all laws there is small print, which is why lawyers exist. The only "court" this is being tried in is the court of public opinion, which has somewhat more flexible interpretations of what is acceptable or not. |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 12066619)
In the context of international law, it makes no difference if it was voluntary or not. In this instance it was solicited, so would be considered a warcrime, one in a long list during recent conflicts.
Like all laws there is small print, which is why lawyers exist. The only "court" this is being tried in is the court of public opinion, which has somewhat more flexible interpretations of what is acceptable or not. |
Originally Posted by artee
(Post 12066632)
But if the targets themselves were not valid military targets (power stations. bridges, civilian infrastructure) then what's war-crimeiest? Targeting them, or enlisting the populace to stand alongside them?
Like we saw in Gaza, hospitals and public infrastructure was targeted with enthusiasm. The get out of jail free card is justifying that civilian infrastructure is being used for military purposes, or to conceal military targets. When the IDF bombed the university, the justification was that they were running programmes to further ballistic missile/drone development. All that is needed is suitable "intelligence" to justify the action, thereafter it is finger-pointing, and we know which way the average X user likes to point fingers these days. |
Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
(Post 12066634)
I believe basic morality puts the target off-limits.
As the proverb goes, all's fair in love and war. It is only in hindsight that we tend to appreciate a lack of foresight. |
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202604082739
Ghalibaf to lead Iranian side in Friday talks with US - ISNA Iran’s parliamentary speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf will lead Tehran’s delegation in talks with the United States on Friday, the semi-official ISNA news agency reported on Wednesday. The agency said US Vice President JD Vance would head the American side. Iran’s proposed 10-point framework for the talks covers not only the nuclear program and regional security, but also primary and secondary US sanctions imposed on Iran over nearly 45 years, according to the report. |
"Hogs" move forward again #FreeIran! - -- #OperationEpicFury --- A number of A-10C "Thunderbolt II" attack aircraft (also known as "HOGS") are on the move again from RAF Lakenheath (EGUL) this morning towards the Middle East as part of "Coronet East 032" with support from tankers flying out of Glasgow Prestwick Airport (EGPK): KC-135R "BORA25" 58-0102 #AE0656 KC-135R "BORA26" 60-0349 #AE0687 KC-135R "BORA35" 62-3542 #AE0486 USAF United States Air Force - Coronet East Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker 2x #AE0656 58-0102 - BORA 25 #AE0486 62-3542 - BORA 35 + TABOR 71-76 6x "MI" A-10s + TABOR 81-86 6x "MI" A-10s Two KC-135s departed Glasgow Prestwick this morning on Coronet East 032, dragging 12x A-10 Thunderbolt IIs as TABOR 71/81 flights from RAF Lakenheath to an unknown location in the Middle East, likely Muwaffaq Salti Air Base based on recent C-17 flights. This will be the last of the A-10s that visited RAF Lakenheath, with TABOR 91 flight having departed last week. |
Translation from Arabic:
Qatari Foreign Ministry: Iran must provide compensation for all damages incurred by the State of Qatar as a result of the Iranian attacks. |
Deep breath.....
BREAKING: The Iranian National Security Council: "Within a few hours, if the firing does not stop in southern Lebanon, the air and missile unit will bomb Tel Aviv.." |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12066660)
Deep breath.....
How many attempts did it take in Gaza for a ceasefire to stick? And Iran are far better equipped to continue since there is no appetite for a ground invasion. |
EXPLOSION OCCURRED AT IRAN'S LAVAN REFINERY, CAUSE UNCLEAR - MEHR NEWS. Refinery located on Lavan Island, off Iran's Gulf coast, and has a 55k b/d capacity. Most reporting says the cause still unclear, but select Iranian agencies saying Israeli strikes to blame, and that loading facilities linked to Iran's Offshore Oil Co (IOOC) were also hit. |
Shifting to posting mostly on this topic in the JB Iran thread, for time being, as for at least a while most activity will be political, not military.
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breaking: Kuwait's military says it has interepted 28 iranian drones since the morning hours. Issued by the Official Spokesman of the Ministry of Defense Colonel Saud Abdulaziz Al-Otaibi The Kuwaiti air defenses have been dealing, since 8:00 a.m. today and up to now, with an intense wave of hostile Iranian criminal attacks, where (28) drones were intercepted that targeted the State of Kuwait. The Kuwaiti Armed Forces succeeded in intercepting a large number of hostile drones, some of which targeted vital oil facilities and power stations in the south of the country, resulting in significant material damage to oil infrastructure facilities, power stations, and water desalination plants. The General Staff of the Army affirms its full efforts in monitoring and confronting these treacherous targeting attempts. May God preserve #Kuwait safe and secure. #Kuwaiti_Army" |
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The Ministry of Defence for the United Arab Emirates has issued an alert stating that air defense systems are responding to a missile threat. |
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