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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11567900)
Since no one has claimed responsibility, they are not facts, yet. The MO is inconsistent with Israel.
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 11568292)
Islamic State has claimed responsibility.
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Islamic State claims responsibility for deadly Iran attack, Tehran vows revenge | Reuters
As a follow up on mel's post:
Originally Posted by the linked article from Reuters
DUBAI, Jan 4 (Reuters) - Islamic State claimed responsibility on Thursday for two explosions in Iran that killed nearly 100 people and wounded scores at a memorial for top commander Qassem Soleimani who was killed in Iraq in 2020 by a U.S. drone. In a statement posted on its affiliate Telegram channels, the militant Sunni Muslim group said two IS members had detonated their explosive belts in the crowd which had gathered at the cemetery in the southeastern Iranian city of Kerman on Wednesday for the anniversary of Soleimani's death.
Tehran earlier blamed the explosions on "terrorists" and vowed revenge for the bloodiest such attacks since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. The twin blasts also wounded 284 people, including women and children."A very strong retaliation will be meted out to them by the hands of the soldiers of Soleimani," Iran's First Vice President Mohammad Mokhber told reporters in Kerman. Earlier, an unnamed source told the state news agency IRNA that the first explosion at the cemetery in Kerman, Soleimani's home town, "was the result of a suicide bomber's action". The United Nations Security Council in a statement condemned Wednesday's "cowardly terrorist attack" in Kerman and sent its condolences to the victims' families and the Iranian government. State TV showed crowds gathered at dozen cities across Iran, including Kerman, chanting: "Death to Israel" and "Death to America". Iranian authorities have called for mass protests on Friday, when the funerals of the victims of the twin blasts will be held, state media reported. Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guards Corps described the attacks as a cowardly act "aimed at creating insecurity and seeking revenge against the nation's deep love and devotion to the Islamic Republic". The Guards commander in Kerman denied state media reports of a shooting in Kerman on Thursday. In 2022 Islamic State claimed responsibility for a deadly attack on a Shi'ite shrine in Iran which killed 15 people. Earlier attacks claimed by Islamic State include twin bombings in 2017 which targeted Iran's parliament and the tomb of the Islamic Republic's founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. |
Well, if anyone is fully knowledgeable about cowardly terrorist attacks it is both the perpetrators and target groups involved in this one.
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 11568292)
Islamic State has claimed responsibility.
Does that make Daesh the good guys tonight? |
Originally Posted by Gordon Brown
(Post 11568465)
Crikey. “The enemy of my enemy” etc
Does that make Daesh the good guys tonight? |
Yesterday:
The Commander of the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet, Vice Admiral Charles B. Cooper II has stated that the Houthi in Yemen launched a surface suicide drone into the commercial shipping lanes in the Red Sea today, in the first attack of its kind. The drone reportedly exploded off the coast of Yemen without causing any damage or casualties Cause of the explosion is not reported. |
Originally Posted by GlobalNav
(Post 11568474)
Not unless murdering 100+ innocent civilians is what you want.
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So what were they guilty of?
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11568675)
So what were they guilty of?
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sounds like the Met.Police "loitering with an aggressive hijab"
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 11568683)
Not being innocent civilians.
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They were civilians and presenting no threat, no need to qualify it beyond that.
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Not one to champion the Islamic State, but my sympathies are with the actual innocent civilians who have been the victims of Iran's terrorism over decades, rather than those who chose to march in support of that terrorism. Anyway, we digress.
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As far as I am concerned, all victims of terrorism, are just that and it is odious to differentiate.
You may find their sympathies abhorrent, that is no reason for them to die. The western view of how the world should be is but one view. I had Palestinian relatives, now no longer with us, and their world view was very different to yours but just as sincerely held and, from their perspective, just as justified. |
...their world view was very different to yours but just as sincerely held and, from their perspective, just as justified. |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 11568900)
No need for us to have gone to war with the Nazis or Islamic State then, so long as their beliefs are sincerely held and justified.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11568904)
Simplistic in the extreme, no one deserves to die for what they think. It is what they do that matters.
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 11568911)
What they were doing was marching in support of a dead terrorist and a hostile state, but ok.
Qassem Soleimani was an officer in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. To the West. that makes him a terrorist leader, but to the Iranians he was a serving officer in their Armed Forces. Do they deserve to die for thinking that? |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11568675)
So what were they guilty of?
Originally Posted by Gordon Brown
(Post 11568465)
Crikey. “The enemy of my enemy” etc
Does that make Daesh the good guys tonight? It's a multi polar world, and you could even call it a bit of a free for all. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 11568961)
Suggest you ask the Islamic State that question.
I think they have a difference of opinion with Iran over heirs and successors. |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11568968)
Just so, but they were not the people posting that they deserved it.
I think they have a difference of opinion with Iran over heirs and successors. |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 11568972)
They were the people that literally did it.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11569026)
Indeed, but that is not the point. We were discussing the views expressed in posts #769, #771 et seq which rather imply that, even though you don't support them, you approve of what they did, or least do not find the killing of these particular civilians abhorrent.
Have no idea what any of this has to do with military aviation, but hey ho. |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 11569036)
Have no idea what any of this has to do with military aviation, but hey ho.
Originally Posted by Reuters
Nearly 100 people were killed in the blasts at a memorial service for military commander General Qassem Soleimani, who was assassinated in Iraq in 2020 by a U.S. drone. {snip} Deputy Interior Minister Majid Mirahmadi said: "Various individuals have been arrested in five cities in five provinces, who have supported this incident or been linked to it. Details will be announced in the next few hours", the state news agency reported.
Islamic State said on Thursday two of its members had detonated explosive belts in the crowd that had gathered for Soleimani's memorial in the southeastern city. With that said, the Islamic Resistance in Iraq does have air assets. They are an Iran backed militia organization. They made an attack within the last day. Armed drone targets US base in northern Iraq Reuters | January 5, 202410:48 AM CST BAGHDAD, Jan 5 (Reuters) - An armed drone on Friday hit Iraq's al-Harir airbase, where U.S. and international forces are stationed, Iraqi Kurdistan's counter-terrorism service said. A service statement did not elaborate on whether the attack caused casualties or infrastructure damage.A group called the Islamic Resistance in Iraq said it had attacked al-Harir military base by drone. Friday's action took place a day after the U.S. military carried out a retaliatory strike in Baghdad that killed a militia leader it blames for recent attacks on U.S. personnel, the Pentagon said. Name: Al-Muqawama al-Islamiyah fi al-Iraq (the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, or IRI). An umbrella term used to describe the operations of all Iran-backed militias in Iraq, including strikes into Syria during the October 2023 conflict between Israel and Hamas. Type of movement: Kinetic military operations, both national and transnational. Anti-U.S. targets in Iraq and Syria, stemming from the U.S. role in the Gaza crisis. History: During the October 2023 conflict between Israel and Hamas, Iraqi muqawama (resistance) militias attacked U.S. troops based in Iraq and Syria. They have claimed the following attacks under the IRI brand:
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"Have no idea what any of this has to do with military aviation, but hey ho"
I'd guess because it's military aviation that will be used to attack these deeply unpleasant people - no-one is going to send a n army and most of them live a ways from the sea |
I wonder if the Red Sea follies, and the Houthis, ought to have its own thread. Sure, Iran backs the Houthis, but Iran doesn't have a Red Sea seacoast.
India is in the game. India intercepts hijacked Liberian-flagged vessel in Arabian Sea, navy says Story by Krishn Kaushik NEW DELHI (Reuters) -Indian Navy commandos have boarded a hijacked Liberian-flagged vessel in the Arabian Sea and are now carrying out "sanitisation" operations, the navy said on Friday, without elaborating. An Indian Navy warship intercepted the MV Lila Norfolk on Friday afternoon, less than a day after the navy received news that it had been hijacked off Somalia's coast in the North Arabian Sea. At least 15 Indian crew members were on board the vessel, which was hijacked near Somalia's coast and the navy received information about it on Thursday evening, Indian news agency ANI, in which Reuters has a minority stake, reported earlier, citing military officials. The warship INS Chennai was diverted and deployed to assist the vessel, the navy said earlier in the day, adding that a naval aircraft overflew the hijacked vessel on Friday and had established contact with it. The Indian navy has increased its surveillance of the Arabian Sea after a recent spate of attacks in the region. It said earlier this week that it had investigated a large number of fishing vessel and boarded vessels of interest in the region. The hijacking of commercial ships and attempted hijackings by suspected pirates near the Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea regions resumed in December after a six-year lull. Experts believe this is because naval forces led by the U.S. have diverted their attention to the Red Sea to thwart Houthi attacks. "The sudden revival in ship hijacking and attacks can only be attributed to the pirates' willingness to take advantage of the fact that the focus of anti-piracy maritime forces has largely shifted from the Gulf of Aden to the Red Sea," Abhijit Singh, head of the Maritime Policy Initiative at the Observer Research Foundation think tank in New Delhi said. "India plays the role of a net security provider in the entire Indian Ocean region. We will ensure that maritime trade in this region rises from the sea to the heights of the sky," Defence Minister Rajnath Singh said last month of the increased surveillance in the region. India is not part of the U.S.-led Red Sea task force. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 11569137)
I wonder if the Red Sea follies, and the Houthis, ought to have its own thread. Sure, Iran backs the Houthis, but Iran doesn't have a Red Sea seacoast.
India is in the game. India is not part of the U.S.-led Red Sea task force. I bolded that last bit, since I found it to be of interest. |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11569147)
Maybe it's because the Indians aren't operating in the Red Sea?
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On the Jan. 6, at approximately 9:30 a.m. (Sanaa time), an unmanned aerial vehicle launched from Iranian-backed Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen was shot down in self-defense by USS LABOON (DDG 59) in international waters of the Southern Red Sea in the vicinity of multiple commercial vessels. There were no casualties or damage reported.
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Hmmm, who?
But they do smoke a lot… Video: Mysterious blast in Iran: 16 vessels of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, including an IRGC spy ship aiding Houthi operations, sustained significant damage. |
I am shocked, shocked that Iranian warships are spontaneously blowing up !
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Is the reference related to this explosion reported by BBC, or something else?
Iranian 'spy ship' damaged by explosion in Red Sea (bbc.com)
Originally Posted by linked article, excerpted
An explosion has damaged an Iranian cargo ship anchored off Yemen's Red Sea coast that is allegedly used by the Revolutionary Guards for spying, Iran's foreign ministry has confirmed.
The blast that targeted the Saviz on Tuesday caused no casualties and was under investigation, a spokesman said. "The vessel was a civilian ship stationed there to secure the region against pirates," he added. Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Saeed Khatibzadeh said the explosion that hit the Saviz at about 06:00 local time (03:00 GMT) on Tuesday caused only "minor damage". "Technical investigations about the incident and its cause are going on, and our country will take all necessary measures about it through international organisations," he added. Mr Khatibzadeh said the Saviz was a "non-military ship", which was helping to "provide security along shipping lines and combat pirates". "The ship was practically operating as Iran's logistical station... in the Red Sea, thus the ship's information and mission had been already announced to [the International Maritime Organization] officially." Iran's semi-official Tasnim news agency cited unnamed sources as saying the explosion was caused by "limpet mines attached to the hull of the ship". |
Who knew limpets had mines?
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Check with your RM or SBS fellows.....seems to me I seen a movie about some kayakers who raided a French Port and also Singapore Harbor after it was taken over by new management.
"Cockleshell Heroes" and "The Highest Honor" films were based upon those exploits as I recall. The Italians had some very good luck with them too I am thinking. Mr. Noriega had to forego leaving home by boat because of those nasty Limpet critters it is said. |
Makes you wonder what them limpets had been eating.
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'The Sea Wolves' is another great movie featuring a daring raid on enemy shipping!
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Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 11571634)
'The Sea Wolves' is another great movie featuring a daring raid on enemy shipping!
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Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11571605)
The Italians had some very good luck with them too I am thinking.
It has a flight deck on the back, so it's aviation related, yes? |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 11571687)
They named a class of warships after De La Penne.
It has a flight deck on the back, so it's aviation related, yes? |
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