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melmothtw 4th January 2024 16:43


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11567900)
Since no one has claimed responsibility, they are not facts, yet. The MO is inconsistent with Israel.

Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

Ninthace 4th January 2024 16:58


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11568292)
Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

It certainly is more their MO.

Lonewolf_50 4th January 2024 17:02

Islamic State claims responsibility for deadly Iran attack, Tehran vows revenge | Reuters

As a follow up on mel's post:

Originally Posted by the linked article from Reuters
DUBAI, Jan 4 (Reuters) - Islamic State claimed responsibility on Thursday for two explosions in Iran that killed nearly 100 people and wounded scores at a memorial for top commander Qassem Soleimani who was killed in Iraq in 2020 by a U.S. drone. In a statement posted on its affiliate Telegram channels, the militant Sunni Muslim group said two IS members had detonated their explosive belts in the crowd which had gathered at the cemetery in the southeastern Iranian city of Kerman on Wednesday for the anniversary of Soleimani's death.

Tehran earlier blamed the explosions on "terrorists" and vowed revenge for the bloodiest such attacks since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. The twin blasts also wounded 284 people, including women and children."A very strong retaliation will be meted out to them by the hands of the soldiers of Soleimani," Iran's First Vice President Mohammad Mokhber told reporters in Kerman. Earlier, an unnamed source told the state news agency IRNA that the first explosion at the cemetery in Kerman, Soleimani's home town, "was the result of a suicide bomber's action".

The United Nations Security Council in a statement condemned Wednesday's "cowardly terrorist attack" in Kerman and sent its condolences to the victims' families and the Iranian government. State TV showed crowds gathered at dozen cities across Iran, including Kerman, chanting: "Death to Israel" and "Death to America".

They would say that, wouldn't they, regardless of who actually did that .

Iranian authorities have called for mass protests on Friday, when the funerals of the victims of the twin blasts will be held, state media reported. Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guards Corps described the attacks as a cowardly act "aimed at creating insecurity and seeking revenge against the nation's deep love and devotion to the Islamic Republic". The Guards commander in Kerman denied state media reports of a shooting in Kerman on Thursday.

In 2022 Islamic State claimed responsibility for a deadly attack on a Shi'ite shrine in Iran which killed 15 people. Earlier attacks claimed by Islamic State include twin bombings in 2017 which targeted Iran's parliament and the tomb of the Islamic Republic's founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

albatross 4th January 2024 17:18

Well, if anyone is fully knowledgeable about cowardly terrorist attacks it is both the perpetrators and target groups involved in this one.

Gordon Brown 4th January 2024 22:16


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11568292)
Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

Crikey. “The enemy of my enemy” etc

Does that make Daesh the good guys tonight?

GlobalNav 4th January 2024 22:33


Originally Posted by Gordon Brown (Post 11568465)
Crikey. “The enemy of my enemy” etc

Does that make Daesh the good guys tonight?

Not unless murdering 100+ innocent civilians is what you want.

ORAC 5th January 2024 07:18

Yesterday:

The Commander of the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet, Vice Admiral Charles B. Cooper II has stated that the Houthi in Yemen launched a surface suicide drone into the commercial shipping lanes in the Red Sea today, in the first attack of its kind.

The drone reportedly exploded off the coast of Yemen without causing any damage or casualties

Cause of the explosion is not reported.

melmothtw 5th January 2024 07:28


Originally Posted by GlobalNav (Post 11568474)
Not unless murdering 100+ innocent civilians is what you want.

They were attendees of a state-sponsored rally to commemorate the deceased leader of a proscribed terrorist organisation, not shoppers in a city centre.

Ninthace 5th January 2024 08:09

So what were they guilty of?

melmothtw 5th January 2024 08:26


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11568675)
So what were they guilty of?

Not being innocent civilians.

Asturias56 5th January 2024 09:22

sounds like the Met.Police "loitering with an aggressive hijab"

Toadstool 5th January 2024 12:04


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11568683)
Not being innocent civilians.

So you have evidence of them being something else? As much as I abhor the IRGC, civilians demonstrating support for Suleimani doesn’t make them justifiable targets. If we followed that logic, there would have been a lot more IRA supporting civilians killed during the troubles.

Ninthace 5th January 2024 12:08

They were civilians and presenting no threat, no need to qualify it beyond that.

melmothtw 5th January 2024 12:20

Not one to champion the Islamic State, but my sympathies are with the actual innocent civilians who have been the victims of Iran's terrorism over decades, rather than those who chose to march in support of that terrorism. Anyway, we digress.

Ninthace 5th January 2024 12:39

As far as I am concerned, all victims of terrorism, are just that and it is odious to differentiate.
You may find their sympathies abhorrent, that is no reason for them to die. The western view of how the world should be is but one view. I had Palestinian relatives, now no longer with us, and their world view was very different to yours but just as sincerely held and, from their perspective, just as justified.

melmothtw 5th January 2024 12:57


...their world view was very different to yours but just as sincerely held and, from their perspective, just as justified.
No need for us to have gone to war with the Nazis or Islamic State then, so long as their beliefs are sincerely held and justified.

Ninthace 5th January 2024 13:03


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11568900)
No need for us to have gone to war with the Nazis or Islamic State then, so long as their beliefs are sincerely held and justified.

Simplistic in the extreme, no one deserves to die for what they think. It is what they do that matters.

melmothtw 5th January 2024 13:12


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11568904)
Simplistic in the extreme, no one deserves to die for what they think. It is what they do that matters.

What they were doing was marching in support of a dead terrorist and a hostile state, but ok.

Ninthace 5th January 2024 13:31


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11568911)
What they were doing was marching in support of a dead terrorist and a hostile state, but ok.

Hostile is a relative term. From their perspective, I suspect you would be seen as supporting a hostile state - do you deserve to die for it?
Qassem Soleimani was an officer in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. To the West. that makes him a terrorist leader, but to the Iranians he was a serving officer in their Armed Forces. Do they deserve to die for thinking that?


Lonewolf_50 5th January 2024 14:05


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11568675)
So what were they guilty of?

Suggest you ask the Islamic State that question.

Originally Posted by Gordon Brown (Post 11568465)
Crikey. “The enemy of my enemy” etc
Does that make Daesh the good guys tonight?

No, Islamic State have never been the good guys and this doesn't change that.
It's a multi polar world, and you could even call it a bit of a free for all.

Ninthace 5th January 2024 14:09


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11568961)
Suggest you ask the Islamic State that question.

Just so, but they were not the people posting that they deserved it.
I think they have a difference of opinion with Iran over heirs and successors.
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melmothtw 5th January 2024 14:12


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11568968)
Just so, but they were not the people posting that they deserved it.
I think they have a difference of opinion with Iran over heirs and successors.
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They were the people that literally did it.

Ninthace 5th January 2024 15:29


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11568972)
They were the people that literally did it.

Indeed, but that is not the point. We were discussing the views expressed in posts #769, #771 et seq which rather imply that, even though you don't support them, you approve of what they did, or least do not find the killing of these particular civilians abhorrent.

melmothtw 5th January 2024 15:40


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11569026)
Indeed, but that is not the point. We were discussing the views expressed in posts #769, #771 et seq which rather imply that, even though you don't support them, you approve of what they did, or least do not find the killing of these particular civilians abhorrent.

What I said was that the people commemorating a dead terrorist leader (as defined by the UK government, among others) were not "innocent civilians" in the same way that ordinary folks going about their daily business are innocent civilians. Anything else is just what you have inferred.

Have no idea what any of this has to do with military aviation, but hey ho.

Lonewolf_50 5th January 2024 15:47


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11569036)
Have no idea what any of this has to do with military aviation, but hey ho.

It is at least somewhat related to a previous military aviation operation.

Originally Posted by Reuters
Nearly 100 people were killed in the blasts at a memorial service for military commander General Qassem Soleimani, who was assassinated in Iraq in 2020 by a U.S. drone. {snip} Deputy Interior Minister Majid Mirahmadi said: "Various individuals have been arrested in five cities in five provinces, who have supported this incident or been linked to it. Details will be announced in the next few hours", the state news agency reported.

Islamic State said on Thursday two of its members had detonated explosive belts in the crowd that had gathered for Soleimani's memorial in the southeastern city.

I guess that Islamic state doesn't have the air assets they need to do something similar - thankfully, from my PoV - so they resort to a ground operation.

With that said, the Islamic Resistance in Iraq does have air assets. They are an Iran backed militia organization.
They made an attack within the last day.

Armed drone targets US base in northern Iraq
Reuters | January 5, 202410:48 AM CST
BAGHDAD, Jan 5 (Reuters) - An armed drone on Friday hit Iraq's al-Harir airbase, where U.S. and international forces are stationed, Iraqi Kurdistan's counter-terrorism service said. A service statement did not elaborate on whether the attack caused casualties or infrastructure damage.A group called the Islamic Resistance in Iraq said it had attacked al-Harir military base by drone. Friday's action took place a day after the U.S. military carried out a retaliatory strike in Baghdad that killed a militia leader it blames for recent attacks on U.S. personnel, the Pentagon said.
This militia organization is of interest ..

Name: Al-Muqawama al-Islamiyah fi al-Iraq (the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, or IRI). An umbrella term used to describe the operations of all Iran-backed militias in Iraq, including strikes into Syria during the October 2023 conflict between Israel and Hamas.

Type of movement: Kinetic military operations, both national and transnational. Anti-U.S. targets in Iraq and Syria, stemming from the U.S. role in the Gaza crisis.

History: During the October 2023 conflict between Israel and Hamas, Iraqi muqawama (resistance) militias attacked U.S. troops based in Iraq and Syria. They have claimed the following attacks under the IRI brand:
  • October 17, 2023: drone attack on Harir Air Base in Iraqi Kurdistan. This attack was initially claimed by Tashkil al-Waritheen; soon thereafter, a superseding claim was issued by the IRI brand and the Waritheen claim was removed in deference. One Qasef-2K drone was used in the strike.
  • Twenty subsequent attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria as of October 30, 2023.
Objectives:
  • To allow various Iraqi muqawama militias to launch attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria under one umbrella term.
  • The militias may see benefit in obscuring which exact groups are attacking U.S. bases.
  • Using a generic, no-logo brand is perhaps the ultimate extension of the “facade strategy” that Iran and its proxies have used since 2019 to avoid accountability for attacks on Americans.
  • To show unity behind attacks against U.S. interests during the Israel-Hamas conflict, essentially "reporting for duty" as one force. This strongly suggests that Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF) is corralling its many Iraqi "resistance" proxies, which otherwise tend to argue over local leadership.
Chain of command:
  • The balance of available evidence suggests that the IRGC-QF plays a role in coordinating the IRI brand. Iraqi armed groups tend to jealously guard their individual identities and the credit they derive (directly or via facade groups linked to them) from attacks, so their willingness to submerge these identities and even recant an individual group attack claim suggests that a higher power is coordinating them. Furthermore, co-branding with Tashkil al-Waritheen in the October 17 strike on Harir indicates a direct link to an IRGC-QF direct-operated group with close ties to Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba.
  • Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba has publicly affiliated itself with the IRI brand, releasing a threatening video on October 30, 2023, that includes footage of drone attacks originally published on IRI's Telegram channel. These videos purported to show the moment of launch for a number of drone attacks on U.S. positions. Nujaba did not actively claim to control IRI, though it is likely some of the attacks claimed by this facade group were carried out by teams controlled by Nujaba.
  • The Iraqi Resistance Coordination Committee (al-Haya al-Tansiqiya lil-Muqawama al-Iraqiya, or Tansiqiya for short).


Asturias56 5th January 2024 16:58

"Have no idea what any of this has to do with military aviation, but hey ho"

I'd guess because it's military aviation that will be used to attack these deeply unpleasant people - no-one is going to send a n army and most of them live a ways from the sea

Lonewolf_50 5th January 2024 18:48

I wonder if the Red Sea follies, and the Houthis, ought to have its own thread. Sure, Iran backs the Houthis, but Iran doesn't have a Red Sea seacoast.

India is in the game.
India intercepts hijacked Liberian-flagged vessel in Arabian Sea, navy says
Story by Krishn Kaushik


NEW DELHI (Reuters) -Indian Navy commandos have boarded a hijacked Liberian-flagged vessel in the Arabian Sea and are now carrying out "sanitisation" operations, the navy said on Friday, without elaborating.
An Indian Navy warship intercepted the MV Lila Norfolk on Friday afternoon, less than a day after the navy received news that it had been hijacked off Somalia's coast in the North Arabian Sea.
At least 15 Indian crew members were on board the vessel, which was hijacked near Somalia's coast and the navy received information about it on Thursday evening, Indian news agency ANI, in which Reuters has a minority stake, reported earlier, citing military officials.

The warship INS Chennai was diverted and deployed to assist the vessel, the navy said earlier in the day, adding that a naval aircraft overflew the hijacked vessel on Friday and had established contact with it.
The Indian navy has increased its surveillance of the Arabian Sea after a recent spate of attacks in the region.

It said earlier this week that it had investigated a large number of fishing vessel and boarded vessels of interest in the region.

The hijacking of commercial ships and attempted hijackings by suspected pirates near the Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea regions resumed in December after a six-year lull. Experts believe this is because naval forces led by the U.S. have diverted their attention to the Red Sea to thwart Houthi attacks.

"The sudden revival in ship hijacking and attacks can only be attributed to the pirates' willingness to take advantage of the fact that the focus of anti-piracy maritime forces has largely shifted from the Gulf of Aden to the Red Sea," Abhijit Singh, head of the Maritime Policy Initiative at the Observer Research Foundation think tank in New Delhi said.

"India plays the role of a net security provider in the entire Indian Ocean region. We will ensure that maritime trade in this region rises from the sea to the heights of the sky," Defence Minister Rajnath Singh said last month of the increased surveillance in the region.

India is not part of the U.S.-led Red Sea task force.
I bolded that last bit, since I found it to be of interest.

SWBKCB 5th January 2024 19:05


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11569137)
I wonder if the Red Sea follies, and the Houthis, ought to have its own thread. Sure, Iran backs the Houthis, but Iran doesn't have a Red Sea seacoast.

India is in the game.
India is not part of the U.S.-led Red Sea task force.

I bolded that last bit, since I found it to be of interest.

Maybe it's because the Indians aren't operating in the Red Sea?

Lonewolf_50 5th January 2024 19:46


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11569147)
Maybe it's because the Indians aren't operating in the Red Sea?

Yes, for the time being, they are not.

ORAC 6th January 2024 19:22

On the Jan. 6, at approximately 9:30 a.m. (Sanaa time), an unmanned aerial vehicle launched from Iranian-backed Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen was shot down in self-defense by USS LABOON (DDG 59) in international waters of the Southern Red Sea in the vicinity of multiple commercial vessels. There were no casualties or damage reported.

ORAC 7th January 2024 20:49

Hmmm, who?

But they do smoke a lot…

Video:

Mysterious blast in Iran: 16 vessels of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, including an IRGC spy ship aiding Houthi operations, sustained significant damage.

Big Pistons Forever 8th January 2024 00:15

I am shocked, shocked that Iranian warships are spontaneously blowing up !

Lonewolf_50 8th January 2024 16:17

Is the reference related to this explosion reported by BBC, or something else?
Iranian 'spy ship' damaged by explosion in Red Sea (bbc.com)

Originally Posted by linked article, excerpted
An explosion has damaged an Iranian cargo ship anchored off Yemen's Red Sea coast that is allegedly used by the Revolutionary Guards for spying, Iran's foreign ministry has confirmed.
The blast that targeted the Saviz on Tuesday caused no casualties and was under investigation, a spokesman said.
"The vessel was a civilian ship stationed there to secure the region against pirates," he added.
Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Saeed Khatibzadeh said the explosion that hit the Saviz at about 06:00 local time (03:00 GMT) on Tuesday caused only "minor damage".
"Technical investigations about the incident and its cause are going on, and our country will take all necessary measures about it through international organisations," he added. Mr Khatibzadeh said the Saviz was a "non-military ship", which was helping to "provide security along shipping lines and combat pirates".
"The ship was practically operating as Iran's logistical station... in the Red Sea, thus the ship's information and mission had been already announced to [the International Maritime Organization] officially." Iran's semi-official Tasnim news agency cited unnamed sources as saying the explosion was caused by "limpet mines attached to the hull of the ship".


Ninthace 8th January 2024 16:35

Who knew limpets had mines?

SASless 8th January 2024 17:53

Check with your RM or SBS fellows.....seems to me I seen a movie about some kayakers who raided a French Port and also Singapore Harbor after it was taken over by new management.

"Cockleshell Heroes" and "The Highest Honor" films were based upon those exploits as I recall.

The Italians had some very good luck with them too I am thinking.

Mr. Noriega had to forego leaving home by boat because of those nasty Limpet critters it is said.


Ninthace 8th January 2024 18:33

Makes you wonder what them limpets had been eating.

BEagle 8th January 2024 18:47

'The Sea Wolves' is another great movie featuring a daring raid on enemy shipping!

DogTailRed2 8th January 2024 19:55


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 11571634)
'The Sea Wolves' is another great movie featuring a daring raid on enemy shipping!

Wasn't that based on a true story where some old special forces types stole several ships from under the noses of the Germans during WW"?

Lonewolf_50 8th January 2024 20:05


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 11571605)
The Italians had some very good luck with them too I am thinking.

They named a class of warships after De La Penne.
It has a flight deck on the back, so it's aviation related, yes?

212man 8th January 2024 20:55


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11571687)
They named a class of warships after De La Penne.
It has a flight deck on the back, so it's aviation related, yes?

also known as the bow…..


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