In fairness though, university involves a lot of drinking anyway, so what is the problem with drinking in a cheaper bar and having the same/more fun with your friends?

Known in my trade as a repeat offence. :ok:

Sorry Whirl's, unable to resist that. :E

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'Salright clicker, I sometimes wonder if anyone gets my jokes!!! :E

Shall I be your straight man? :}

Cheers

Whirls

Whirly

Just to pick you up on that earlier point it IS now a criminal offence for a teacher/lecturer to have a relationship with a student under the age of 18, it is seriously frowned upon at University level (although the extension to the law to cover Uni fell through - wonder why?)

I have been told that instructors in the ground training system have to sign an additional commitment to maintain 'proper relationships etc etc' with students, hence if they break the 'no bonking' agreement they can be dragged over the coals. If the UAS instructors sign something similar, and how could the fun police miss a trick like that, then they would be in the proverbial and subject to interviews on Core Standards and Values.

Still, if there is a real problem, as opposed to a bit of jealousy :yuk: , and it does breach the 'Service Interest Test', then pprune isnt the place to whinge about it annonymously! Either tell the (lucky git) they are offside or raise it with the chain of command.

I am delighted to hear that some irresponsible drinking still goes on amongst the students!

They do ---- they haven't ---- and they are!

Inappropriate behaviour
 

Well said !

Having retired after 30 years of dealing with studes at close quarters in the cockpit (now trainees to be PC) of both genders, I think the correct behaviour code is called "Professionalism".

However tempting the goods, look but don't touch ! Keeps one's career going too !

Caveat Aviator is a good rule - every bit of Mess "good fun" can deteriorate into a much more serious matter all too easily - as one recent Court Martial of a young and talented SH pilot will bear witness.

Equally on the bar front, breathalyser checks in some places may be more revealing than we would like - thus again enjoy, but remember your core activity - and in the long term your liver !!

The only reason we still have the UAS system is so fat, bolding pilots can get some action with impressionable young students.

Things have changed then, Wholi! ;)

My earlier comment about instructors having married students in the past was not a throwaway line; I was one of those who married a student (though she was a social member, and not on the UAS roll). This was a live issue at the time (late '80s), and the high-powered help had to accept that such relationships were between consenting adults of officer status, and so could not be prevented. The conflict of interest question naturally came up, but it was down to individual UASs to deal with that as they saw fit. In one or two cases, that meant that the student left the Squadron, but in many more it was made to work.

To my knowledge, the first such relationship - and subsequent marriage - is alive and well and has produced several offspring. And more than one or two hangovers!

Seem to remember a recent case at Lyneham where a co-pilot on the J Sqn had an affair with another co-pilots wife.....

He remained at Lyneham, virtually unpunished....

But I guess thats ok!

AFAICR we never had a problem with unprofessional conduct between student and instructor at Nav School.

Until we had female studes that is :} .

Joking aside it was so new and no one transgressed (initially anyway) that there were no rules. There was however mutterings about one old, sallow and balding (but not fat) instructor and one particularly notable student but, again as far as I can recall, nothing ever came out if you forgive the pun. He was the course commander.

Oi FF - I'm neither fat, nor bolding (whatever that is)
In the meantime I say string em all up and bring back early morning runs, conscription, cold showers, hanging etc etc ........did I miss anything? Nice to see this forum suddenly 'discovering' a UAS mo that has endured for years! Certainly the only bit I remember of my outbrief from CFS was "leave the girls alone" - no doubt there would be an updated version covering all 'preferences' these days

get a life "seen a lot", in fact, get out and see a lot.

'Wish I'd Seen-A-Lot'
Freud and Jung would argue that the feelings of anxiety and anger you are experiencing over these issues are cause by repressed emotions, caused by a deep rooted desire towards this particular age group, and the power play thing. It unsettles you that others can take advantage of this and you (any where near the mid-life crisis??) cannot. This was particularly reinforced by your very robust statement denying your interest.
There are definitly things worse than this surely.
Now lay back on the couch... Take a deep breath... and tell us about your childhood, and perhaps your teachers:E

This UAS thing sounds great; where do we sign?

ShyT, I think you might be a little old to be a student now!

Cheers

Whirls

Simply don't see what all the fuss is about...

Leaving aside the relationship issue, which has already been done to death, I don't see the problem with a few drink-related high jinks by UAS members. Of course UAS studes can sometimes be a noisy obnoxious bunch, but in my experience (not so long ago!), UAS events - though usually drunken - rarely (if ever) involved drugs and rarely (if ever) ended in violence...in which case, UAS studes are better behaved than 95% of people their age. Aren't there more important things to complain about than a bit of youthful exuberance?

[quote: Surely this is something that really must be adressed.[/quote]

there's a typo there cobber, surley it's 'undressed'?

If, on the off chance, you find yourself in the boozer, half cut, 6 or 7 pints to the wind and some bonkable piece of totty hoves into view, follow the magic pointer, stroll over, chance your arm and think of england..

The ACO had this great idea of putting the words "Instructor Cadet" on the rank tabs of those cadets over 18. Makes it nice and easy for the airmen to identify the legal ones when on annual camp.:8