Inappropriate relationships and drinking within the UAS
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Inappropriate relationships and drinking within the UAS
It has come to my attention that a number of instructors seem to think it acceptable to have relationships with students who are under their guidance....Not only that, but it also seems crazy that in an organisation that prides itself on standards we are encouraging these UAS students to drink themselves into oblivion. Surely this is something that really must be adressed.
Can't comment on the relationship aspect, but the drinking one, I feel, is being blown out of proportions somewhat.
Whilst I don't deny that there are some heavy drinkers, it is by no means encouraged and it is always stressed that at no time is anybody obliged to drink, participation is always totally voluntary. The vast majority are sensible in their intake and know of the implications of any stupid behaviour. Of course, there's a minority who will take it too far, there always is.
A cursory glance around any student town around the country would show many, many more young people getting themselves into far worse conditions than would be evident at certain Mess' around the RAF.
Whilst I don't deny that there are some heavy drinkers, it is by no means encouraged and it is always stressed that at no time is anybody obliged to drink, participation is always totally voluntary. The vast majority are sensible in their intake and know of the implications of any stupid behaviour. Of course, there's a minority who will take it too far, there always is.
A cursory glance around any student town around the country would show many, many more young people getting themselves into far worse conditions than would be evident at certain Mess' around the RAF.
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Whilst I get what you're saying about there being a lot of drinking wherever there are students, don't you find it just a little worying that this drinking culture is being encouraged (I've seen it with my own eyes on numerous occasions) by various drinking games and actively encouraged by instructors. The relationship bit worries me, when you see Instructors placed in positions of authority, and they think liasons with 18 and 19 year old students are "a bit of fun". It's only going to take one "mistake" for there to be utter outrage.
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I thought the thread title was an offer.... maybe a Forces' discount on some nubile, yet naive, 18-19 yr old student (female).
Are there any out there to send my way?
Or should I join a UAS as an instructor to get some?
I thought the thread title was an offer.... maybe a Forces' discount on some nubile, yet naive, 18-19 yr old student (female).
Are there any out there to send my way?
Or should I join a UAS as an instructor to get some?
I agree on the relationship side, it is an abuse of a position of responsibility, but not in the same way as a teacher and pupil, we are all adults here [though we may act otherwise!].
The most I have ever heard of are holding officers 'interracting' with students, and as the last holding officer we had was younger than me, and got involved more as a student than anything else, I dont see that being such a problem.
Again, I don't believe the drinking is a realistic issue. I have been to countless events, and never witnessed anything like the number of incidents that I do when going out in town.
And also, after seeing first hand what goes on in some Officer's Mess' around the country [proper ones now, not our pretend ones] we are rank amatuers.
The most I have ever heard of are holding officers 'interracting' with students, and as the last holding officer we had was younger than me, and got involved more as a student than anything else, I dont see that being such a problem.
Again, I don't believe the drinking is a realistic issue. I have been to countless events, and never witnessed anything like the number of incidents that I do when going out in town.
And also, after seeing first hand what goes on in some Officer's Mess' around the country [proper ones now, not our pretend ones] we are rank amatuers.
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Bet even the the QFIs don't have as much fun as Midshipman **** of 88 course on RN EFTS at Leeming. Despite "relations" between orficers and ORs being verboten in the Cr@bs, the sneaky youngster managed a threes-up in his cabin/room with two WAAF mess stewards after the 87 course leaving bash 
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I think you'll find there are a number of QFI's who've had more than just "a quick grope behind the bike shed" with students...... Including the married ones. "Detachment rules"
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Picture the scene .... young 19 year old girl and instructor (not much older probably) in UNIFORM, ... need I go on?
Who's taking advantage of whom!!!
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PS - who spotted the operative word there!!
Who's taking advantage of whom!!!
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PS - who spotted the operative word there!!
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So, it's just an age thing eh? Not jealous are we?
I can assure you (really!!), that some 19 year old girls find older men very attractive especially if they scrub up well in uniform. Why on earth should age and age gap make it any different?
It's either a matter of principle or it isn't!
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I can assure you (really!!), that some 19 year old girls find older men very attractive especially if they scrub up well in uniform. Why on earth should age and age gap make it any different?
It's either a matter of principle or it isn't!
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as the man said, they are all adults, so i don't see what age has to do with it. my memory is that the female studes were just as keen to pull a 'proper pilot' as the officers were to tuck into a bit of young totty. and agreed it was far more from the holding kevs than full time instructors, who in my experience limited themselves to banter and leching from a distance.
if they are married then that is morally reprehensible but hardly Service-specific.
at the end of the day it is up to the boss of the sqn to make clear what the rules are on his trainset. and it's down to people's mates on the sqn to make sure they don't do anything stupid.
as for drinking, it's value as a bonding mechanism far outweighs any of its disadvantages - non-drinkers were never excluded and always very highly appreciated if they were picking up the pieces/doing the driving.
if they are married then that is morally reprehensible but hardly Service-specific.
at the end of the day it is up to the boss of the sqn to make clear what the rules are on his trainset. and it's down to people's mates on the sqn to make sure they don't do anything stupid.
as for drinking, it's value as a bonding mechanism far outweighs any of its disadvantages - non-drinkers were never excluded and always very highly appreciated if they were picking up the pieces/doing the driving.
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Why the morale outrage? All consenting adults under the rules, if people want to play away the nanny state can't stop them!
Drinking is not compulsory, being fit to fly is, but that's a different issue. Has it ever been any different in the UAS/OTC/URNU?
I'm sure there are much more inappropriate relationships going on all over the country, check press for details.
Drinking is not compulsory, being fit to fly is, but that's a different issue. Has it ever been any different in the UAS/OTC/URNU?
I'm sure there are much more inappropriate relationships going on all over the country, check press for details.
"........than full time instructors, who in my experience limited themselves to banter and leching from a distance."
About sums it up for most of us.
About sums it up for most of us.
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I can't say I see the problem, if I'm honest.
My time instructing at a UAS I found a joy, both the flying and the social aspect.
I maintain the time spent in the cockpit was conducted with the utmost professionalism, but on the ground - being a red-blooded male, I suppose I must confess to hanging out of the back of a few myself...
Its not as if they put up a fight or showed any objection, most were in fact rather welcoming, and after all, they were all at least 16 from what I gathered.
What seems to be the problem? A private can marry a General, so why can't an instructor go through a couple of cadets??
My time instructing at a UAS I found a joy, both the flying and the social aspect.
I maintain the time spent in the cockpit was conducted with the utmost professionalism, but on the ground - being a red-blooded male, I suppose I must confess to hanging out of the back of a few myself...
Its not as if they put up a fight or showed any objection, most were in fact rather welcoming, and after all, they were all at least 16 from what I gathered.
What seems to be the problem? A private can marry a General, so why can't an instructor go through a couple of cadets??
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I remember having to host a group of RN CCF cadets visiting Culdrose. They were from Kelly College, which is/was co-ed. The senior cadet was very curvy, very blonde, and oozing hormones. Were we wrong to fancy each other? I was about 18 months older and a Midshipman. I do hope not....
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Bet even the the QFIs don't have as much fun as Midshipman **** of 88 course on RN EFTS at Leeming. Despite "relations" between orficers and ORs being verboten in the Cr@bs, the sneaky youngster managed a threes-up in his cabin/room with two WAAF mess stewards after the 87 course leaving bash
I was about 18 months older and a Midshipman.
The only issue I can see is the possible scenario where instructor and student have had "relations" and then instructor has to give student a bollocking - instructor might not feel so inclined.
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