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Beamr 5th Jun 2023 15:17

While waiting for news regarding the counter offensive, this sums up the situation rather well, I'd say.
Putin remains the master strategist, as one account has convinced all. :E



Sue Vêtements 5th Jun 2023 15:22

. . . didn't Milo Minderbinder do most of those things in Catch 22 ?

IIRC he bombed his own people

Life imitating art?

ORAC 5th Jun 2023 16:50

Not sure of the date, or the prominence, of the video…

BELARUS 🇧🇾 WANTS SOME OF RUSSIA 🇷🇺

"I have always called the Kaliningrad region my own… it would not be ‘worse’ if it were ‘closer’ to Belarus."

- Pres. Lukashenko of Belarus 🇧🇾 has begun to divide the territory of Russia 🇷🇺 and seems to want Russia’s 🇷🇺 Kalingrad.…


peter we 5th Jun 2023 17:32


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11446109)

Has it occurred to the propagandists that if Russia fires "hypersonic" nuclear missiles with nuclear warheads (and the Patriots shoot them down) they will be providing Ukraine with weapons grade plutonium to build their own warheads to lob back?

Beamr 5th Jun 2023 17:38

Not sure if this is edited or not, but it's nevertheless hilarious.




langleybaston 5th Jun 2023 18:21


Originally Posted by peter we (Post 11446324)
Has it occurred to the propagandists that if Russia fires "hypersonic" nuclear missiles with nuclear warheads (and the Patriots shoot them down) they will be providing Ukraine with weapons grade plutonium to build their own warheads to lob back?

Even if it goes bang?

If the weapons grade plutonium does its job, surely there is nothing of weapons grade left.
One hopes that scenarrio is avoided, but also hopes that, very shortly after, all Russian forces in Ukraine cease to exist, and soon thereafter Putin either ceases to exist or is put to trial.

WB627 5th Jun 2023 18:54

Isn't that what Russia has been doing for the last 17 months :mad:

meleagertoo 5th Jun 2023 20:25

The levels of credulity to blatant, clumsy propaganda among so many of the commenters here is simply staggering.

I'd imgained this of all places, to be a bastion of considered, sceptical Professional thought and expertise.

Clearly not.

peter we 5th Jun 2023 21:05


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11446347)
Even if it goes bang?

If the weapons grade plutonium does its job, surely there is nothing of weapons grade left.
One hopes that scenarrio is avoided, but also hopes that, very shortly after, all Russian forces in Ukraine cease to exist, and soon thereafter Putin either ceases to exist or is put to trial.

I assume the shoot down will not cause the warhead to explode... in most cases.

NutLoose 5th Jun 2023 21:07

Meanwhile the teenage mutant ninja turtles have arrived in Shebekino..


NutLoose 5th Jun 2023 21:12

Clearing trenches up close and personal.

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Video Mixdown 5th Jun 2023 21:14


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11446399)
The levels of credulity to blatant, clumsy propaganda among so many of the commenters here is simply staggering.
I'd imgained this of all places, to be a bastion of considered, sceptical Professional thought and expertise. Clearly not.

That seems particularly unfair. The principal contributors are careful to acknowledge when information is sketchy, unsubstantiated or proven false. You yourself are free to challenge things you disagree with if you want. Have you a specific example of this credulity?

NutLoose 5th Jun 2023 21:23


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11446399)
The levels of credulity to blatant, clumsy propaganda among so many of the commenters here is simply staggering.

I'd imgained this of all places, to be a bastion of considered, sceptical Professional thought and expertise.

Clearly not.

well feel free to comment on what you think is wrong, I try to cross check my posts but some will get through, for instance the post re. Shebekino, Russia claims they are not in the village but troops have been geo located in the streets of the place in other threads. It is easy to criticise without putting up reasoning behind it.

NutLoose 5th Jun 2023 21:25

Ukrainian pilots have been reported as having already left for training in the U.K.…


NutLoose 5th Jun 2023 21:47

Well, if there is a smattering of truth in this then the U.K. training Ukrainian pilots makes sense.

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rattman 5th Jun 2023 22:42

AFR (Australian financial review) are reporting Ex RAAF F-18's are back in the mix.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-ukraine-20230605-p5de0h

a
llegedly paywalled
https://archive.is/LZkvi

Also dropped in last f
ew hours hawkeis with NASAMS launchers might be on the table as well
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...05-p5de5a.html

Beamr 6th Jun 2023 04:20

Nova Khakovka dam has been blown up, causing floods downstream Dnipro all the way to the Black sea.
Makes any troop movements very difficult.

I wonder what this means to the Zaporizhzhia NPP locsted by the reservoir which is now emptying.




jolihokistix 6th Jun 2023 04:39

The Zaporizhzhia NPP's reactors are all off-line, I have read, but it needs a stable electricty supply to cool the fuel rod pools. I guess this will dry up the canal, that one source of water supply to Crimea, though.

ORAC 6th Jun 2023 06:30

Lots of articles from last October of the effect of blowing the dam.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...retreat-a79325

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/lat...am-31-10-2022/

https://www.intellinews.com/nova-kak...kraine-280784/


Low average 6th Jun 2023 07:01

Well, the Russians have finally blown it up. They've had it mined since last October.

The flooding Looks likely to destroy Ukranian held Kherson, and protect Russian occupied Crimea from attack. Hope it hasn't surprised anyone.


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