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Low average 4th May 2023 20:11


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11430191)
It makes no sense that there were people in those offices at 2 am waiting to capture the event on video, and showing no reaction when a drone flew over the Kremlin and exploded (even for a false flag), and much more likely they were recording the footage from the CCTV cameras on the corner of the roof that they had already seen. Just IMO.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5d4de59400.jpg

Oh, OK, on your last post it appeared that you knew somehow.

So you're saying that, after all the effort of planning and executing a false-flag, it makes no sense to have someone film it from a window because its a bit late? Isn't that the point?

melmothtw 4th May 2023 20:15


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11430211)
Which is very similar in design to the Russian Luch Korsar . - I'm sure someone will be publishing pics of some debris soon :ok:.

https://www.army-technology.com/proj...erial-vehicle/

Sadly, it was quite certainly a TB2.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ffe8e671d.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7eee28bf19.jpg

Edited to add:


melmothtw 4th May 2023 20:20


Originally Posted by Low average (Post 11430215)
Oh, OK, on your last post it appeared that you knew somehow.

So you're saying that, after all the effort of planning and executing a false-flag, it makes no sense to have someone film it from a window because its a bit late? Isn't that the point?

Not being in Moscow or Putin's inner circle, I 'know' as much as the next person.

For a false flag to stand up to any scrutiny, it has to be credible. It makes no sense to have a group of people in an office at 2 am, waiting for an attack they are not supposed to know is coming, and then displaying absolutely no emotion when a drone flies overhead and explodes over the Kremlin just across the square from them. Occam's Razor should point you in the direction of this being CCTV footage that they have filmed from a computer monitor.

unmanned_droid 4th May 2023 20:49

Fortunately, it seems last nights little nuclear scare was probably BS.

NutLoose 4th May 2023 21:54

There is putting out propaganda and there is putting out propaganda, but this just strikes me as over confidence, they know roughly the areas the HIMARS must be operating in so why post information on the fact they are using ex soviet bunkers to store them in,
I would imagine some Russian clerk is dusting off old locations of Soviet shelters in given areas to try to locate possible active sites.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-soviet-bunker

Winemaker 4th May 2023 22:36


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11430245)
There is putting out propaganda and there is putting out propaganda, but this just strikes me as over confidence, they know roughly the areas the HIMARS must be operating in so why post information on the fact they are using ex soviet bunkers to store them in,
I would imagine some Russian clerk is dusting off old locations of Soviet shelters in given areas to try to locate possible active sites.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-soviet-bunker

It's also certainly possible he's lying, getting the Russkies to attack false targets.....

The Helpful Stacker 4th May 2023 22:44


Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 11430255)
It's also certainly possible he's lying, getting the Russkies to attack false targets.....

Indeed.

It's not exactly a huge stretch to think that this could be a double bluff.

NutLoose 4th May 2023 23:57

:)

now I realise both sides put out propaganda and what is happening on the ground to us western viewers is often fluid and possibly not accurate, so a lot of what we read or see can be taken with a pinch of salt, but one sometime has to wonder what these guys are on and where are they getting their information from,


Sue Vêtements 5th May 2023 00:00

I think that 'drone attack' on the Kremlin is . . .





. . . wait for it . . .




. . . just a Potemkin Village!

:8

megan 5th May 2023 00:07


NutLoose 5th May 2023 00:13

Meanwhile our Favourite and mostly credible Russian propagandist appears to be flustered on Russian TV as to the Moscow attack and the amount of countermeasures Russia will now need to put in place to protect Moscow after 2 little drones visited.
Personally the good thing is it is on Russian TV, which must be a wake up call to the Moscow****es that what they have been fed for over a year is possibly all lies as Moscow is now being attacked and their safe little lives no longer are.


Beamr 5th May 2023 07:19

Prickozhin is losing it over ammunition.

Oh dear. How sad. Nevermind.



ORAC 5th May 2023 07:38

​​​​​​​🔥 New day - new fire!

The Ilsky refinery in Russia 🇷🇺 is on fire AGAIN.

The refinery was allegedly AGAIN attacked by a drone.

By the way, this is the second attack in a week, the previous one was 2 days ago.

Herod 5th May 2023 08:23


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11430362)
Prickozhin is losing it over ammunition.

Oh dear. How sad. Nevermind.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...63136529141766

There is always the option of pulling his troops out.

Herod 5th May 2023 08:42

Looks like he's taking my advice :ok: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65493008


Beamr 5th May 2023 09:12


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 11430400)
Looks like he's taking my advice :ok: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65493008

Better late than never!

Tartiflette Fan 5th May 2023 09:24


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11430407)
Better late than never!

Can somebody tell me who is paying for PMC Wagner - ignoring the convicts obviously. They are referred to as a mercenary force and past reports of African involvement indicated that they were well-paid by Russian standards. Who then is paying them here ? Is it Prighozin himself speculating on prestige and money-making opportunities later ? It would make no sense for it to be the Russian Army who are apparently working to keep them short of supplies, so who is it ?

jolihokistix 5th May 2023 09:29

PMC Wagner have long controlled the gold mines in Sudan.

golfbananajam 5th May 2023 09:32


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11430191)
It makes no sense that there were people in those offices at 2 am waiting to capture the event on video, and showing no reaction when a drone flew over the Kremlin and exploded (even for a false flag), and much more likely they were recording the footage from the CCTV cameras on the corner of the roof that they had already seen. Just IMO.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5d4de59400.jpg


That's the GUM shopping Mall opposite the Kremlin, inside it looks like this
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5b0cbf4ef7.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6374056fd6.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1ef0b69a81.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6f794939b5.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dfff32e7b7.jpg

melmothtw 5th May 2023 09:53


Originally Posted by golfbananajam (Post 11430416)
That's the GUM shopping Mall opposite the Kremlin, inside it looks like this





Wasn't aware that was the GUM building, thanks. Even more unlikely there were people recording through the windows at 2 am.


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