Then you wouldn’t get it when training to do “touch and goes”.
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Originally Posted by Smilin_Ed
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If circumstances put you in a position where you cannot execute a safe landing, on a ship or on a field, the Sierra Hotel thing to do is to go around before you get "in the groove,"
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
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There is no approach that is too beautiful, nor too ugly, to wave off. The Wave Off is an equal opportunity move. :cool:
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Originally Posted by sycamore
(Post 11392092)
Perhaps the APD/DFP need to be engaged automatically when the gear and hook are extended, but can be turned OFF, manually when `Brains` wants to prove he is `SH-T HOT`.....and confirmed by the LSO on getting `in the groove`...
(I have no access to the F-35C NATOPS however I'll imagine its HBS may have similar characteristics?) NATOPS FLIGHT MANUAL NAVY MODEL F/A-18E/F 165533 AND UP AIRCRAFT 15 Sep 2008 https://info.publicintelligence.net/F18-EF-000.pdf (19.4Mb) "...2.6.1.5 Approach Lights. The approach lights, located on the nose gear strut, provide AOA indications to an LSO during carrier landings. Three approach lights are provided to indicate a fast (red), on-speed (amber), or slow (green) AOA condition. The approach lights are powered with WoffW and all landing gear down and locked. Therefore, the approach lights are an external indication that the landing gear are down and locked. The approach lights flash when the HOOK BYPASS switch is in the CARRIER position and the arresting hook is not down, indicating to an LSO that the hook must be lowered for a carrier arrestment. The approach lights are dimmed by the WARN/CAUT lights knob. 2.6.1.6 HOOK BYPASS Switch. The HOOK BYPASS switch, located on the lower left main instrument panel, is spring loaded to the CARRIER position and is electrically held in the FIELD position. FIELD Approach lights and AOA indexers do not flash regardless of hook position. The switch reverts to the CARRIER position if the hook is lowered. CARRIER Approach lights and AOA indexers flash if the hook is not down..." & "...2.18.6 Angle Of Attack Indexer. The angle of attack indexer is mounted to the left of the HUD. It displays approach angle of attack (AOA) with lighted symbols; corresponding AOA indications are shown on the HUD. The indexer operates with the landing gear down and locked and weight off the gear. The lighted symbol(s) flash if the arresting hook is up and the hook bypass switch, on the left vertical panel, is in CARRIER. The symbols will not flash with the arresting hook up and the hook bypass switch in FIELD. The switch is solenoid held to FIELD and automatically goes to CARRIER when the arresting hook is lowered or aircraft power is removed. The AOA indexer knob on the HUD controls dimming of the symbols. All symbols light when the lights test switch on the interior lights control panel is held to TEST...." |
Hear hear. No excuse for lack of basic airmanship, or failing to maintain essential skills. No one that smacks their jet into the ramp or undershoot has any place flying the aircraft.
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No one that smacks their jet into the ramp or undershoot has any place flying the aircraft |
Meanwhile ALL YOUSE Need to know 'bout NavAv & SuchLike.... :}
FREE no need to register DIRECT DOWNLOAD URL below: A4G-RANFAAaircraftOthers01mar23p20,032.pdf (3.6Gb) https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuYHBzTWY83LgZI-...pqk0Q?e=zkRhDX Download instructions: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/our-history/spazsinbad-a4g/ Probably earlier PDF link is still there but download/viewing instructions still good. |
I’m not convinced that 600 hours A-4 over half a century ago on the infamous Melbourne is the best basis for comment on 21st century carrier ops. But none of that has anything to do with basic pilot skills especially landing an aircraft that is highly automated on a modern carrier in fair weather, especially when it comes to recognising and rejecting a failed approach.-
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Thanks for reading my material. 'Infamous Melbourne'? Half a century ago - certainly - hence I could not possibly comment. What is your expertise in naval aviation to comment and how long ago? You have an opinion. I have my opinion but not stated here.
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Originally Posted by SpazSinbad
(Post 11395571)
Thanks for reading my material. 'Infamous Melbourne'? Half a century ago - certainly - hence I could not possibly comment. What is your expertise in naval aviation to comment and how long ago? You have an opinion. I have my opinion but not stated here.
Spaz, were you the carriers propeller observer? it was around your time. Always thought it was an impressive bit of lateral thinking to check out the biologic growth level on the boat :} |
Are you referring to 'ROCKY' Stone? I'm pleased he and his crew were OK. You would have to read 20K PDF pages (direct link above) or 19K is still available at the FAAAA website. :}
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No one that smacks their jet into the ramp or undershoot has any place flying the aircraft |
Stress Levels Prolly HIGH bekuz the LSO '1 wire' debriefs could be FEARSOME. :}
LSO Debrief HMS Eagle 'On The Roger' 1968 |
Megan,
Imagine getting amped up landing back aboard your Bird Farm AFTER dodging flak of all kinds, and evading lots of SAM's...and Mig-17's and Mig-21's . Sorta puts some perspective into this carrier landing thing don't it? Then.....you can add night, bad weather, and rough seas into the mix as well......even Jake Grafton had his own moments of difficulty landing back onboard his ship. After all....he was who books were written about. |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11395639)
Imagine getting amped up landing back aboard your Bird Farm AFTER dodging flak of all kinds, and evading lots of SAM's...and Mig-17's and Mig-21's .
Sorta puts some perspective into this carrier landing thing don't it? Then.....you can add night, bad weather, and rough seas into the mix as well..... |
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....51244b5bc3.jpg
Ramp strikes are not a new phenomenon. This is Mogwi Snr about to take the barrier after a ramp strike on HMS Indefatigable. He had just shot down a Japanese Emily but the rear gunner put a round through his glycol tank and the donk quit short finals. Mog |
Reminds me of this photo: https://www.docdroid.net/kooBMJE/roy...rbook-1988.pdf "Carrier operations were always precarious - as shown by this 809 Squadron aircraft hitting the barrier on HMS Stalker. P.H.T. Green Collection"
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AIRCRAFT ARRESTOR NET [RN FAA F-4K Phantom Mockup Barricade Test]
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As one does wandering thru the 20K pages this gem about FireFightin' VeHicles of old was found but the 'PADDLES MONTHLY' May 2011 USN LSO news letter is no longer available online: http://www.hrana.org/documents/Paddl...hlyMay2011.pdf
On page 2 of the MISHAP report: "...(3) To ensure survivability of the upwind Mobile Firefighting Vehicle (MFFV) and its ability to help respond to a crash in the landing area, position upwind MFFV away from the foul line...." Some lessons need to be learned and relearned.... (see GIF) https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e5f95a9511.gif PROWLER duz somethin' simla'? (I'll have to find the URL for APPROACH Nov-Dec 2007) https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....67d3b276cc.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c6b4ec79bf.gif |
The readers here might not appreciate how bluddy small the Melbourne was, and the balls of stainless steel needed to lob an A4 or a Tracker onto that deck. Add some seas, darkness, weather and such and the stress would be measured on the Richter scale.
A tale is told of the Oz A4 pilots being invited to shoot some approaches to a US carrier, may have been Enterprise, forgotten now. They had some fun and marvelled at the room available. Our boys invited the Yanks to come to the Melbourne for a return favour, but when they saw the size, they politely refused and went home. |
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