Well done
 

With all the possible words they could have chosen they went with one that basically makes no sense.

Dictionary definition of aviator: the operator or pilot of an aircraft and especially an airplane.

So the fresh faced young clerk at HQ will be called an aviator?! Brilliant!

I don’t really mind changing the titles of people to avoid offense but at least choose something that is logical.

BV

Oh come on Bob, we've had Pilot Officers and Flying Officers of both sexes/genders (other sexes/genders are available!) who never got out of an SHQ office, so why the problem?

However, [Pedant Mode ON] "aviator" implies male, the female of course is an "aviatrix"!! And the term Airman might suggest one who flies................ kind of the equivalent of soldier or sailor......

Go on then Bob, what is a more “logical” choice?

LE
 

Give me £100,000 and I’ll gladly have a think for you.

BV

😂😂. I am sure that you would be good value at that but I think you are needed where you are!

I know that many have tried to think of a ‘better’ title than aviator but it is easier to dislike this choice than think of a better one! ‘Soldiers’ and ‘sailors’ are both accepted without thought because we have used them for so long. Like it or not, and many on here clearly do not, many serving today dislike the collective term ‘airmen’.

Jockey :cool: :cool:

Ungendered and then you can have Desk Jockeys, Jet Jockeys, Tech Jockeys….

Sock Jockeys etc.

I’ll wait to see what they decide, shrug my shoulders and continue to operate and fly.

It makes no difference to what they call me, it changes my job not a bit.

As long as the job gets done, which it still does and will, I’m good. Who knew that people with beards, LBTQ+ Personnel and those that like to be called “ they” still do everything that their predecessors did.

They’re just happier doing it.

I don't know Pan Pan Pan might go as that infers a male.. :)

So what's wrong with just "belting up" and getting on with the job at hand.?

My dear chap, or chapess, neither a chap nor chapess, a transiting chap or chapess, an ex chap or chapess, haven't you heard, the lovies are running the world now, and it's time we woke up to that fact.

I originally posted this in the Air Cadets thread, but Haraka reckons it deserves a mention here:

CAS gave a state of the nation talk for the Royal Aeronautical Soc last night. Included: a net zero Air Force - tick; swarming drones - tick; space command - tick, tick; getting quickly to 40% of recruits being female - tick; more % from ethnic communities and disadvantaged backgrounds - tick.

But on reinvigorating the Air Cadet movement (which did a very good job of bringing in youths from both sexes, and all social backgrounds) - not a word.

Transition altitude and level are also being renamed to altimeter changing zone too…….Can’t say transition anymore :-)

Already gone - ABs are now Able Rates. Midshipman is probably the only 'offending' rank in the RN these days - so just replace it with 'Ensign' to fit in with USN practice and we're good to go!. And other than the aforementioned 'aircraftsman' and 'rifleman/signalman' ranks,. there's not a lot else so her review should be over by tea time.

Just as well we disbanded the FANY's, imagine the uproar they would cause.

Not forgetting the Queen Bee at a Station Commander's meeting in the 60's regarding temporary hutted WRAF toilets.

"You must understand that my girls all require a permanent erection"

Allegedly.

I've also heard the term NOTAM causing serious contemplation and head scratching amongst those that focus on all things gender. Obviously it comes from Notice to Airmen. Even though its an acronym that has pretty much become a word in its own right, it has unacceptable gender specific history/connotations.

Oh no we didn't...

https://www.fany.org.uk/

Ha! DWRAF (or was it DDWRAF?) visited RAF Stanley in ‘83, reviewing the suitability for WRAF deployments. I escorted her to our Tactical AR1 site in the rocks on the north side of the airfield ... through the mud. “Where are your ablution facilities here?” she enquired. One of my FS controllers answered ... “You’re standing on them, Ma’am.” I don’t know if Stanley ever got WRAF staff.


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