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chevvron 25th Mar 2021 09:43

Maybe the plan is for BAe to build the M-345 under licence as a Hawk replacement?
Just asking; not a lot else going on at Warton at the moment is there?

KPax 25th Mar 2021 09:51

I am sure a visit to the Shropshire rotary base will find plenty of Hawks and Tranche 1 Typhoons.

mmitch 25th Mar 2021 10:29

Perhaps the Reds could become pat of an enlarged BBMF? They would need a bigger hangar though.....
mmitch.

Union Jack 25th Mar 2021 12:38

Then there were regrettably only 75 as a result of https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...-culdrose.html

Jack

XR219 25th Mar 2021 12:41

Meanwhile, six years ago, the Indian Air Force managed to find the funds to buy twenty new Hawk 132s for their aerobatic team...

THJC 25th Mar 2021 12:44

I am pretty sure the Reds will be in the T1 until the Aeralis comes along. They do have plenty of spares now!

Brewers Droop 25th Mar 2021 14:25

This thread is really disappointing. Usually by now someone has recommended bringing back the gnat, sopwith camel, shackleton.



NutLoose 25th Mar 2021 14:31

Shame we got rid of the Hunter......

;)

Stu666 25th Mar 2021 15:46


Originally Posted by test1234 (Post 11015735)
I understand that the replacement airframe for the Reds has already been made, but not yet announced; this would tie in with the announcement that ALL Hawk T1s will be gone by 2025.

Give us a clue...my money's on them cutting the number of pilots down to 6 and ordering more Texans.

sangiovese. 25th Mar 2021 16:43


Originally Posted by Stu666 (Post 11016204)
Give us a clue...my money's on them cutting the number of pilots down to 6 and ordering more Texans.

Prefer a Lion Bar over a Texan tbh

NutLoose 25th Mar 2021 18:09


Originally Posted by test1234 (Post 11015735)
I understand that the replacement airframe for the Reds has already been made, but not yet announced; this would tie in with the announcement that ALL Hawk T1s will be gone by 2025.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4c4fa305a4.jpg

I was going to mention the red scooters but fuel cost savings and all that.

treadigraph 25th Mar 2021 18:48

Brilliant Nutty, if you squint you really can't tell the difference...

Davef68 25th Mar 2021 19:05


Originally Posted by NIREP reader (Post 11015603)
Does this include the Boscombe Down based aircraft, RAFCAM/ETPS?

All going/gone and replaced by PC21s

cubemaster 25th Mar 2021 21:09

Are those Red Barrows flown by ground crew, or are they what the pilots use when the cloudbase is too low?

Lomon 25th Mar 2021 21:43


Originally Posted by Mil-26Man (Post 11015484)
I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.

What message does it send that our display team are flying 40 year old obsolete aeroplanes? Maybe if the Reds were operating the T2 or the 200 it would promote foreign sales and showcase British Industry.

Valiantone 25th Mar 2021 22:11

Better hurry up as the only Hawks currently in production are for Qatar and thats less than 10.

oxenos 25th Mar 2021 22:31


entire fleet of 76 Hawk T1 trainer aircraft
make that 75.

chevvron 26th Mar 2021 09:28

What will 100 Sqdn be flying then?

pr00ne 26th Mar 2021 10:02

Davef68,

Are you sure about that? I thought that the PC-21's were for ETPS, which is a QinetiQ outfit, where as the Centre for Aviation Medicine Hawks are RAF.


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