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alexhara 24th Mar 2021 12:48

Red Arrows are safe after Ministry of Defence plans to retire entire fleet of 76 Hawk
 
The UK Ministry of Defence plans to retire its entire fleet of 76 Hawk T1 trainer aircraft. This leaves only 28 Hawk aircraft in British service, the T2 variant.
The Hawk T1 is the current Red Arrows aircraft, but for now their aircraft remains operational.
In fact, the team has a long history impact over the recent decades in the aviation fans not only in UK, but abroad. Red Arrows are team unit who inspire the next-generation of pilots and are a great source of national pride, so losing such incredible team will be loss for all UK just to spend 15m a year.

Source: https://aerobaticteams.net/en/news/i...1-aircraft.htm

HEDP 24th Mar 2021 13:34

I'll bite. So if the Red Arrows are safe for now but the whole fleet of aircraft are being retired, what will they fly in the future?

ORAC 24th Mar 2021 13:44

So, plenty of spare airframes, parts and engines able to be tucked away to keep the Sparrows flying for the next 30 years.....

Plus enough for someone to buy and use on a contract to provide aggressor and fleet support....

GeeRam 24th Mar 2021 13:45

Perhaps they'll become the worlds first purely synthetic display team....... :E

oldgrubber 24th Mar 2021 13:49

15m, Isn't that just the hotel costs :}

HEDP 24th Mar 2021 13:51

So. If the Arrows are flying them, then they are not all being retired........


paco 24th Mar 2021 14:00

They will use Zoom...

ORAC 24th Mar 2021 14:08


So. If the Arrows are flying them, then they are not all being retired........
The BBNM is flying Spitfires, Hurricanes and a Lancaster, but they're not in RAF operational service.

But it will be the first time an RAF display team won't be using an aircraft in use by the RAF for operations or for training in over a hundred years (1920, Sopwith Snipes of the Central Flying School).

Mil-26Man 24th Mar 2021 15:24

I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.

NutLoose 24th Mar 2021 15:26


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11015437)
The BBNM is flying Spitfires, Hurricanes and a Lancaster, but they're not in RAF operational service

Let me help you with that..

The BBMF is flying Spitfires, Hurricanes and a Lancaster, but they're not in RAF operational service........ Yet

:)

Timmy Tomkins 24th Mar 2021 15:27


Originally Posted by Mil-26Man (Post 11015484)
I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.

You are in danger of using logic there Mil

Out Of Trim 24th Mar 2021 15:43

Perhaps, the RAF can keep the all the Hawk T1A that were wired to carry 2 x Sidewinders. 🤔 :E

Bob Viking 24th Mar 2021 15:46

OOT
 

Originally Posted by Out Of Trim (Post 11015501)
Perhaps the RAF can keep the all the Hawk T1A that were wired to carry 2 x Sidewinders. 🤔 :E

For what possible reason?!

BV

chevvron 24th Mar 2021 15:48


Originally Posted by HEDP (Post 11015416)
I'll bite. So if the Red Arrows are safe for now but the whole fleet of aircraft are being retired, what will they fly in the future?

2 seat Typhoons?

chevvron 24th Mar 2021 15:51


Originally Posted by Mil-26Man (Post 11015484)
I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.

And which first flew 47 years ago and is now out of production.

Out Of Trim 24th Mar 2021 15:52


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 11015504)
For what possible reason?!

BV

Well, a T1A is not strictly a T1 is it? Then the Reds would still have some aircraft! ( It was just a tongue in cheek comment ). Not serious 🧐!

Mil-26Man 24th Mar 2021 16:06


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11015509)
And which first flew 47 years ago and is now out of production.

Indeed, but my point is doesn't this undercut the case for having the Reds at all, unless a new in-service replacement (or one planned to be in service) can be found. The UK developed Aeralis seems an interesting prospect, and the MoD is certainly sniffing around with regard Tempest.They can't fly Hawk T1 forever.

ORAC 24th Mar 2021 17:13


They can't fly Hawk T1 forever.
Well there will be a few Tranche 1 Typhoons available to replace them in a couple of years.....

DuckDodgers 24th Mar 2021 17:59


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11015420)
Plus enough for someone to buy and use on a contract to provide aggressor and fleet support....

Plenty of more modern variants with less hours and landings available in addition to those other more capable platforms out there too!

Just a spotter 24th Mar 2021 18:17

Simples, rationalise, switch to MQ-9A's, rebrand as the Red Reapers. Drones do formations really well


:}
JAS


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