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Boeing Jet 24th Mar 2021 18:51

The Reds flew their first 9 ship formation today, look forward to seeing them flying over Lincolnshire for many more years to come!!

Capn Bug Smasher 24th Mar 2021 18:54


Originally Posted by Mil-26Man (Post 11015484)
I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.

Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?

Not an argument in favour, merely an observation.

NIREP reader 24th Mar 2021 18:55

Does this include the Boscombe Down based aircraft, RAFCAM/ETPS?

Just This Once... 24th Mar 2021 18:59


Originally Posted by Capn Bug Smasher (Post 11015602)
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?

No, they converted to the newer jet.


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bythebackdoor 24th Mar 2021 19:04


Originally Posted by Capn Bug Smasher (Post 11015602)
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?

Not an argument in favour, merely an observation.

Not anymore, they're switching to Super Hornets this year.

The Oberon 24th Mar 2021 19:08


Originally Posted by Boeing Jet (Post 11015600)
The Reds flew their first 9 ship formation today, look forward to seeing them flying over Lincolnshire for many more years to come!!

Well I'm glad that you do, but if you live within a 10 mile radius of Scampton, for the past 2 years they have been a total pain in the rear. Roll on when they can go to Cyprus or Greece for their spring work up and give everyone a break.
Yes, I was here before they were and, yes, I did do 22 years on the much noisier V force.

NWSRG 24th Mar 2021 19:19


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11015558)
Well there will be a few Tranche 1 Typhoons available to replace them in a couple of years.....

Was wondering that myself...is it a serious possibility? Would the extra hourly cost be outweighed by the benefit of not maintaining an additional type? (They could always lock off the afterburners to save fuel!)

Valiantone 24th Mar 2021 19:52

Chances of the Tranche 1 Typhoons going to the Reds........:ugh::rolleyes:

Which part of retired by 2025, along with the Hawk T.1s did you miss. Still you could always sweep round a few scrappies for the remnants of the Tranche 1 Twins seaters. or the 3 used for GIAs and as for the Tranche 2s. If you Borrow the jet Warton use, you can make a 6 ship.

Anyway I thought the Reds having taken a lot of newer ex TWU airframes on means they have had the replacement wings, fuselage behind the cockpit and triggers broom adaptions

H Peacock 24th Mar 2021 19:55


Originally Posted by Boeing Jet (Post 11015600)
The Reds flew their first 9 ship formation today, look forward to seeing them flying over Lincolnshire for many more years to come!!

They’ve dragged that out then! I heard the only new member was the one at the very front, everyone else in the same position as last year!!

Easy Street 24th Mar 2021 21:57


Originally Posted by Out Of Trim (Post 11015510)
Well, a T1A is not strictly a T1 is it? Then the Reds would still have some aircraft! ( It was just a tongue in cheek comment ). Not serious 🧐!

Don't do yourself down, I think this might actually be the answer to the confusion over the announcement. Aren't the Reds aircraft all T1As? So the T1s are being retired, the T1As aren't, and the stockpile of T1 spares will keep the latter going into the 2030s?

Trumpet trousers 24th Mar 2021 22:45

The Canadian Snowbirds seem to have been doing ok as the sole remaining operator of the Canadair CT-114 Tutor since 2000....

NutLoose 24th Mar 2021 23:56

It’s a shame they didn’t bin the Reds at the same time, there might have been an uproar over the cuts in the media then.

NutLoose 25th Mar 2021 00:06

So do you think they will now stand down 736 Naval Air Sqn and stand back up their predecessors FRADU and hand them their Hawks as a Civilian operation?

TBM-Legend 25th Mar 2021 00:15


Originally Posted by Capn Bug Smasher (Post 11015602)
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?

Not an argument in favour, merely an observation.


The Blues have transitioned to Super Hornets.

Why not give the Reds a dozen to be pensioned off Typhoons and represent the cutting edge and not the blunt side of the sword..?

Thaihawk 25th Mar 2021 00:34


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11015506)
2 seat Typhoons?

What, all six of them?.

Bob Viking 25th Mar 2021 03:07

Trumpet Trousers
 

Originally Posted by Trumpet trousers (Post 11015745)
The Canadian Snowbirds seem to have been doing ok as the sole remaining operator of the Canadair CT-114 Tutor since 2000....

Have they though? Really?

Remember the Snowbirds do not have an industry promotion remit.

BV

Not_a_boffin 25th Mar 2021 07:36


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11015767)
So do you think they will now stand down 736 Naval Air Sqn and stand back up their predecessors FRADU and hand them their Hawks as a Civilian operation?

Decommissioning of 736 announced some months back and now imminent IIRC.

GeeRam 25th Mar 2021 07:50


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11015762)
It’s a shame they didn’t bin the Reds at the same time, there might have been an uproar over the cuts in the media then.

Which is why they won't get binned, as while they exist, Joe Public are oblivious to the ever shrinking RAF....because all they 'see' is the Reds.

The RAF could shrink to the size of the Irish Air Corps, and the Reds would likely still survive...!

Mil-26Man 25th Mar 2021 09:15


Originally Posted by Trumpet trousers (Post 11015745)
The Canadian Snowbirds seem to have been doing ok as the sole remaining operator of the Canadair CT-114 Tutor since 2000....

Not for long, the RCAF is looking to replace its wider training force under the Canadian Future Aircrew Training Programme (FAcT). Contenders include Leonardo's M-345, which the company is also pitching as a Snowbirds replacement. Suggest whichever platform wins, it will be the new mount for the Snowbirds.


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