Red Arrows are safe after Ministry of Defence plans to retire entire fleet of 76 Hawk
The UK Ministry of Defence plans to retire its entire fleet of 76 Hawk T1 trainer aircraft. This leaves only 28 Hawk aircraft in British service, the T2 variant.
The Hawk T1 is the current Red Arrows aircraft, but for now their aircraft remains operational. In fact, the team has a long history impact over the recent decades in the aviation fans not only in UK, but abroad. Red Arrows are team unit who inspire the next-generation of pilots and are a great source of national pride, so losing such incredible team will be loss for all UK just to spend £15m a year. Source: https://aerobaticteams.net/en/news/i...1-aircraft.htm |
I'll bite. So if the Red Arrows are safe for now but the whole fleet of aircraft are being retired, what will they fly in the future?
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So, plenty of spare airframes, parts and engines able to be tucked away to keep the Sparrows flying for the next 30 years.....
Plus enough for someone to buy and use on a contract to provide aggressor and fleet support.... |
Perhaps they'll become the worlds first purely synthetic display team....... :E
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15m, Isn't that just the hotel costs :}
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So. If the Arrows are flying them, then they are not all being retired........
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They will use Zoom...
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So. If the Arrows are flying them, then they are not all being retired........ But it will be the first time an RAF display team won't be using an aircraft in use by the RAF for operations or for training in over a hundred years (1920, Sopwith Snipes of the Central Flying School). |
I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11015437)
The BBNM is flying Spitfires, Hurricanes and a Lancaster, but they're not in RAF operational service
The BBMF is flying Spitfires, Hurricanes and a Lancaster, but they're not in RAF operational service........ Yet :) |
Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
(Post 11015484)
I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.
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Perhaps, the RAF can keep the all the Hawk T1A that were wired to carry 2 x Sidewinders. 🤔 :E
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OOT
Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
(Post 11015501)
Perhaps the RAF can keep the all the Hawk T1A that were wired to carry 2 x Sidewinders. 🤔 :E
BV |
Originally Posted by HEDP
(Post 11015416)
I'll bite. So if the Red Arrows are safe for now but the whole fleet of aircraft are being retired, what will they fly in the future?
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
(Post 11015484)
I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 11015504)
For what possible reason?!
BV |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11015509)
And which first flew 47 years ago and is now out of production.
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They can't fly Hawk T1 forever. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11015420)
Plus enough for someone to buy and use on a contract to provide aggressor and fleet support....
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Simples, rationalise, switch to MQ-9A's, rebrand as the Red Reapers. Drones do formations really well
:} JAS |
The Reds flew their first 9 ship formation today, look forward to seeing them flying over Lincolnshire for many more years to come!!
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
(Post 11015484)
I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.
Not an argument in favour, merely an observation. |
Does this include the Boscombe Down based aircraft, RAFCAM/ETPS?
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Originally Posted by Capn Bug Smasher
(Post 11015602)
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....11db8d4875.jpg |
Originally Posted by Capn Bug Smasher
(Post 11015602)
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?
Not an argument in favour, merely an observation. |
Originally Posted by Boeing Jet
(Post 11015600)
The Reds flew their first 9 ship formation today, look forward to seeing them flying over Lincolnshire for many more years to come!!
Yes, I was here before they were and, yes, I did do 22 years on the much noisier V force. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11015558)
Well there will be a few Tranche 1 Typhoons available to replace them in a couple of years.....
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Chances of the Tranche 1 Typhoons going to the Reds........:ugh::rolleyes:
Which part of retired by 2025, along with the Hawk T.1s did you miss. Still you could always sweep round a few scrappies for the remnants of the Tranche 1 Twins seaters. or the 3 used for GIAs and as for the Tranche 2s. If you Borrow the jet Warton use, you can make a 6 ship. Anyway I thought the Reds having taken a lot of newer ex TWU airframes on means they have had the replacement wings, fuselage behind the cockpit and triggers broom adaptions |
Originally Posted by Boeing Jet
(Post 11015600)
The Reds flew their first 9 ship formation today, look forward to seeing them flying over Lincolnshire for many more years to come!!
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Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
(Post 11015510)
Well, a T1A is not strictly a T1 is it? Then the Reds would still have some aircraft! ( It was just a tongue in cheek comment ). Not serious 🧐!
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The Canadian Snowbirds seem to have been doing ok as the sole remaining operator of the Canadair CT-114 Tutor since 2000....
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It’s a shame they didn’t bin the Reds at the same time, there might have been an uproar over the cuts in the media then.
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So do you think they will now stand down 736 Naval Air Sqn and stand back up their predecessors FRADU and hand them their Hawks as a Civilian operation?
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Originally Posted by Capn Bug Smasher
(Post 11015602)
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?
Not an argument in favour, merely an observation. The Blues have transitioned to Super Hornets. Why not give the Reds a dozen to be pensioned off Typhoons and represent the cutting edge and not the blunt side of the sword..? |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11015506)
2 seat Typhoons?
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Trumpet Trousers
Originally Posted by Trumpet trousers
(Post 11015745)
The Canadian Snowbirds seem to have been doing ok as the sole remaining operator of the Canadair CT-114 Tutor since 2000....
Remember the Snowbirds do not have an industry promotion remit. BV |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11015767)
So do you think they will now stand down 736 Naval Air Sqn and stand back up their predecessors FRADU and hand them their Hawks as a Civilian operation?
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11015762)
It’s a shame they didn’t bin the Reds at the same time, there might have been an uproar over the cuts in the media then.
The RAF could shrink to the size of the Irish Air Corps, and the Reds would likely still survive...! |
Originally Posted by Trumpet trousers
(Post 11015745)
The Canadian Snowbirds seem to have been doing ok as the sole remaining operator of the Canadair CT-114 Tutor since 2000....
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