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AnglianAV8R 4th May 2019 08:27


Originally Posted by Jackonicko (Post 10462328)
"A leak from a meeting of the national Security Council is 'trivial' compared to the risk of letting Huawei get a foothold in the UK telecoms industry."

This exposes our weakness.... What telecoms industry ?

Lima Juliet 4th May 2019 08:47


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 10462275)
What kind of a sicko keeps saying "Clearly the people want us to get my deal across the line"?

Eh??? :confused:

oldmansquipper 4th May 2019 10:37

Some nice "whooshes" on this thread, chaps. Keep em going!

ZH875 4th May 2019 11:51

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racedo 4th May 2019 12:24


Originally Posted by Harley Quinn (Post 10461462)
"No way am I endangering our source on those stupid, untrustworthy limeys, ever, period. Now get uncle Vladimir on the phone."

Is this the same Russians who have quite openly helped US/UK in Afghanistan.

Asturias56 4th May 2019 13:29

Well I guess you can either let in the Chinese - who MIGHT have back-doors in their kit or the Yanks & Israelis who definitely do...................

Harley Quinn 4th May 2019 18:06


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10462686)
Is this the same Russians who have quite openly helped US/UK in Afghanistan.

Read it as you wish, the point really was that the intelligence community are likely to be far more reticent about passing intelligence to the UK.

Arcanum 4th May 2019 18:10


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10462741)
Well I guess you can either let in the Chinese - who MIGHT have back-doors in their kit or the Yanks & Israelis who definitely do...................

Which of Huawei, Ericsson, Nokia and Samsung are US or Israeli companies? They are the only credible 5G infrastructure companies (and ZTE is the only other company building 5G equipment) and Huawei are one of the most advanced.


He subsequently said the same on LBC. "A leak from a meeting of the national Security Council is 'trivial' compared to the risk of letting Huawei get a foothold in the UK telecoms industry."
Huawei are already in the UK phone network. That ship sailed years ago.

Asturias56 4th May 2019 18:16

I agree - far far to late to be worried

Re Williamson the Torygraph didn't come out and say "Honest - it wasn't him - it was someone else.." He clearly has little support in Cabinet and with luck will now fade from the scene

Threatening to "tell people were the bodies are buried" to get his own back just shows what sort of guy he is

wiggy 4th May 2019 18:19


Originally Posted by Jackonicko (Post 10462328)
I rarely find myself agreeing with Jacob Rees Mogg, but his tweet:

"The security issue is not who leaked but Huawei." seems to be on the money.

He subsequently said the same on LBC. "A leak from a meeting of the national Security Council is 'trivial' compared to the risk of letting Huawei get a foothold in the UK telecoms industry."

IMHO the leak itself is very much a security issue and isn't trivial...I would have thought if the contents of NSC meetings are going to be leaked within minutes by Ministers of State then I wonder if some of our allies might become less keen on sharing info with us, and maybe our own domestic agencies might be less likely to present information to Ministers...

Asturias56 4th May 2019 18:22

It's the last point that's important - who is going to tell politicians anything important if they are going to call the media immediately afterwards?

It'll be back to the bad old days of the Govt not admitting there WAS a UK Secret Service - which is not good......

ORAC 4th May 2019 20:51

The Times:

”........The Sunday Times has been passed a National Security Council document showing that Williamson was determined to send British troops into action in Africa. He ordered military chiefs to draw up plans for intervention by the armed forces in at least five African countries, including Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Kenya and Egypt.

The paper was designed to support May’s Africa strategy of promoting peacekeeping and the protection of wild animals. However, Ministry of Defence officials say Williamson’s approach was to “find excuses to send troops”. “He wanted to invade Africa,” a military source said. “He made it clear that he was keen to send the troops in.”

A friend of Williamson responded: “It’s ironic that an NSC document has been leaked in an attempt to discredit Gavin.”........


Onceapilot 5th May 2019 11:25

It is interesting. I did expect that Williamson would actually swing the axe when he was moved to the MOD. I did hope that he might at least rationalise the more outrageous expeditionary ideas of some and, instead, concentrate on reinforcing the depth of defence capability.
Disappointingly, it seems he might have been carving-out his own foreign policy? Where is the, forward looking, with capability in depth and effective, Defence review? :oh:

OAP

Pontius Navigator 7th May 2019 10:55

Melchet, you mentioned Des.

The one thing I remember of him was his H&S policy, a policy to be displayed on notice boards. It ran to something like 8 pages of A4. Like War & Peace I doubt anyone read it, but like the lawyer he was, he covered his Ace.


AnglianAV8R 7th May 2019 19:20


Originally Posted by Harley Quinn (Post 10462896)
Read it as you wish, the point really was that the intelligence community are likely to be far more reticent about passing intelligence to the UK.

Might the UK, in turn, be tempted to close Menwith Hill in response to such reticence.

rab-k 7th May 2019 22:02

Sign of things to come?

Global post-Brexit Britain desperate for trade deals at the mercy of those on the other side of the table? In this instance...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8782211.html

...the Chinese threw their toys out the pram thanks to Williamson and his "gun boat" diplomacy.

Did they demand his removal from post and insist Huawei be given the green light as a precondition to (resuming) trade talks?

Watch this space...

Melchett01 7th May 2019 23:05


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10463014)
... A friend of Williamson responded: Its ironic that an NSC document has been leaked in an attempt to discredit Gavin.........

Especially given that such documents will invariably carry a security classification, and therefore, the leaker could quite easily be prosecuted under the OSA. Politicians eh?!

Melchett01 7th May 2019 23:12


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10465249)
Melchet, you mentioned Des.

The one thing I remember of him was his H&S policy, a policy to be displayed on notice boards. It ran to something like 8 pages of A4. Like War & Peace I doubt anyone read it, but like the lawyer he was, he covered his Ace.

PN - I know we certainly didn't read it! And not exactly environmentally friendly as a result.

BVRAAM 8th May 2019 15:05

If he actually did do what he was accused of, then he was removed for doing the right thing.
I don't take revealing classified information lightly - it's obviously extremely serious and potentially life-threatening, but on this very rare occasion I think it was the lesser of two evils and the repercussions of letting it go ahead were unthinkable. Our relationship with the USA is far more valuable to me than cheap sh*t from China.

Out Of Trim 8th May 2019 17:02

Seeing as the UK Telecom networks already incorporate Huawei kit on the 3G and 4G nets. Why is the future 5G technology suddenly a problem? Unless something dodgy has been found in their equipment!

If so; then it would be foolish for us to install it.


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