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redsetter 8th May 2019 17:46


Originally Posted by Out Of Trim (Post 10466429)
Seeing as the UK Telecom networks already incorporate Huawei kit on the 3G and 4G nets. Why is the future 5G technology suddenly a problem? Unless something dodgy has been found in their equipment!

If so; then it would be foolish for us to install it.

5G provides the capability to connect a lot more things, some of which may be critical infrastructure. And BT is removing Huawei kit from (the core at least) of existing networks.

rab-k 8th May 2019 18:04

@ #79, #80, #81...

So, wherein lies the quid pro quo?

Chinese tech giant gets access to UK tech infrastructure - despite misgivings of allies.

UK Govt. gets what in return? (Other than a new SoS for Defence).

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redsetter 10th May 2019 10:25

I can't see any quid pro quo of allowing Huawei into our networks.

Take a look at at the HCSEC report on Huawei:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...eport-2019.pdf

BEagle 10th May 2019 10:39

MiFi
 
Hmm, I see that my excellent Vodafone MiFi device is, in fact, made by Huawei...:\

Should I be worried that Wun Hung Lo or some other PRC spook is reading my e-mails if I use MiFi?

I don't think so....

Asturias56 10th May 2019 17:22

The UK gets a decent 5G Network and gets rid of the odious Williamson

Win-Win situation...................

racedo 10th May 2019 18:23


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10468299)
The UK gets a decent 5G Network and gets rid of the odious Williamson

Win-Win situation...................

:ok::D

and Snow White and 7 Dwarfs, Goofy and Pluto (needed 10 characters)

Onceapilot 10th May 2019 21:51


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10467958)
Hmm, I see that my excellent Vodafone MiFi device is, in fact, made by Huawei...:\

Should I be worried that Wun Hung Lo or some other PRC spook is reading my e-mails if I use MiFi?

I don't think so....

Beagle. You are so wrong to belittle the risks of future damage to any country through weaknesses in electronic security. I do not know how such security can possibly be guaranteed as we accelerate towards AI Armageddon but, giving a totalitarian regime a front seat in the infrastructure of a major upgrade of a UK wide net seems like a risk to me! :ouch:

OAP

redsetter 10th May 2019 22:58


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10468299)
The UK gets a decent 5G Network ...................

Maybe. Although, if you read the HCSEC report you'll see that amongst their major concerns are: "the underlying defects in Huawei’s software engineering and cyber security processes". So what you may get is a 5G network, connecting all sorts of strategic national infrastructure, that may be exploitable not only by the Chinese, but by a variety of other actors as well. I understand the Iranians are quite big in cyber warfare ...

racedo 10th May 2019 23:37


Originally Posted by Onceapilot (Post 10468480)
t, giving a totalitarian regime a front seat in the infrastructure of a major upgrade of a UK wide net seems like a risk to me! :ouch:

OAP

You seem to assume that Allies now will never change.




Hipper 12th May 2019 19:04


Originally Posted by ZH875 (Post 10462659)

'All three of them'.

Asturias56 13th May 2019 09:07

:ok:

poor woman - she'll never live that day down........................

Buster15 13th May 2019 17:06


Originally Posted by BVRAAM (Post 10466348)
If he actually did do what he was accused of, then he was removed for doing the right thing.
I don't take revealing classified information lightly - it's obviously extremely serious and potentially life-threatening, but on this very rare occasion I think it was the lesser of two evils and the repercussions of letting it go ahead were unthinkable. Our relationship with the USA is far more valuable to me than cheap sh*t from China.

My understanding is that the accusation was based upon an 11 minute call he had with a journalist after the meeting.
If he is so sure that it was not him who leaked the story then why has the phone call not been used as evidence.
Or have I missed something.

Asturias56 13th May 2019 17:48

Indeed - and the Torygraph hasn't said "no! You have the wrong man!!"

You don't leak from a security forum - simple - and as Minister for Defence it defies description that he could be so dumb

As for always cuddling up to the Americans I thought the reason the UK wanted to BREXIT was to avoid being dictated to by a large collection of foreigners over the water................... personally I reckon the NSA & GCHQ as far more likely to be tapping my phone that the Chinese........

Asturias56 14th May 2019 15:40

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48262681

Hackers were able to remotely install surveillance software on phones and other devices using a major vulnerability in messaging app WhatsApp, it has been confirmed. WhatsApp, which is owned by Facebook, said the attack targeted a "select number" of users and was orchestrated by "an advanced cyber-actor". A fix was rolled out on Friday.

On Monday, WhatsApp urged all of its 1.5 billion users to update their apps as an added precaution.

The surveillance software involved was developed by Israeli firm NSO Group, according to a report in the Financial Times.

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We all use quite a bit of Israeli electronics in the defence business don't we................

dead_pan 15th May 2019 09:39

They'll never hack my carrier pigeon and unbreakable Beano letter substitution cypher! Old skool is best.

falcon900 15th May 2019 11:53

Whilst cyber security threats abound, and inevitably will continue to do so, what makes the potential threat from Huawei more serious is that their equipment and software could end up embedded in our communications infrastructure. As has been inferred already ,If someone hacks into whats app, facebook or whatever social media platforms it can be embarrassing and inconvenient, but rarely fatal.
If the underlying communication network is violated, or can be turned off to order, it represents a much higher order threat. Forget about social media, worry about industrial and commercial infrastructure which relies on the internet to function. Not to mention military......
Integrity of our communication network is a big deal, and even a cursory glance at the HCSEC report referenced a few posts ago would suggest that all is not well with Huawei. All the more surprising that we seem to be able conclude that it is ok to continue with Huawei. They do seem to splash their cash around though..........

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 16th May 2019 00:02

I see Huawei have promised not to steal secrets from us and pass them to the Chinese. Theresa has said she will send them a form to sign to this effect.

They replied saying not to bother as they downloaded one from her computer last week.

BEagle 16th May 2019 07:33

dead pan wrote:

They'll never hack my carrier pigeon and unbreakable Beano letter substitution cypher! Old skool is best.
Back in the '50s, the I-Spy Secret Code Book from Big Chief I-Spy was always the best!

6d I-Spy books were the way one's parents kept one from getting bored whilst trundling along on long journeys in the family Zephyr - whereas nowadays the little beggars seem to need £300 worth of iPad to keep them occupied....

Chugalug2 16th May 2019 09:37

falcon900:-

All the more surprising that we seem to be able conclude that it is ok to continue with Huawei. They do seem to splash their cash around though..........
I've probably got the wrong end of the stick, but are you suggesting that Huawei are getting the UK 5g business by straightforward bribery? If so, who are they bribing, the NSC?

falcon900 16th May 2019 11:09

Chug,
Nothing so vulgar, try this for a clue https://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn-uk/...ment-to-the-uk


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