I'm not the expert. But I know it takes place.

The maintenance required to keep that aircraft operating must be phenomenal. Why does it even require powered folding? I would have thought manual folding would be sufficient, would be lighter, less maintenance and cheaper.

Then you don't and only think you know what takes place. But I am far more interested in if anybody has any experience is this thing doing a quickstop. There must be somebody current or with experience on type. Check your pm's AA.

MOSTAFA

Define quickstop.

I think it is safe to say it takes longer to come to a hover/zero zero from it's cruising speed than a Blackhawk or Chinook.

The quick stop manoeuvre is a helicopter technique, but as the V22 isn't a helicopter is it a valid question? This article is interesting http://www.verticalmag.com/features/features_article/20112-flying-the-v-22.html

Perhaps the word quickstop is confusing albeit I can't imagine why. If it isn't a helicopter what is it?

Good article, which scares me even more especially the para about engine/s failing like: "Autorotations are taught and practiced in simulators with varying degrees of success. The simulators are designed to indicate a crash if any structural load limitations are exceeded; most autorotations end in a red screen. The truth of whether an autorotation is survivable, though, is hard to define. Chances are that an autorotation in an Osprey would be an extremely difficult maneuver, with survival owed more to luck than skill."

Let's tell that to the extremely well trained and valuable people in the back.

Don't get me wrong I think it's a fabulous machine that's possibly the way forward in 50 or so years with an awful lot of limitations.

Luckily, MOSTAFA, the people currently operating them with great success and happiness couldn't give a toss whether you think it is ready now.

Yes, the pax could worry about the possibility of a double engine failure, (that really common event:rolleyes:) or they could instead enjoy the vast extra capability that the beast provides.

Luckily, Tourist I couldn't give a toss what you think either; and long may the people operating them continue to operate them safely. Hopefully, that really common event you are so certain of, continues not to happen but if it ever does I'd sure as sh*t like a bit more than the survival of everybody to be owed to luck, I much prefer skill with perhaps just a tad of luck.

Out of interest, when you go on holiday, do you stress about the possibility of the Boeing 777 having a double engine failure?

I've heard that they are really tricky to auto too.

What a puerile comment, that sort of remark makes you sound simple. I'm guessing from the tourist bit, that's precisely your experience - take it from somebody that's experienced several engine failures, all in twin engined helicopters and all in aircraft I had my ars* strapped to; just because one fails it doesn't mean the other sod is guaranteed to keep going; especially when they just wind down on their own and usually the one still working becomes extremely limited. Gladly I have no more time to bandy words you.

Just when two rotors are not enough!
Volocopter
I am guessing that this machine has 18 electric motors. Not sure of the consequences should one fail but likely that the others can compensate. Battery capacity will limit range and payload but in another 50 years who knows.


On a serious note I am not sure UK can afford to buy and operate the V22. I am in awe of the machine and have seen first hand what it can do at YPG also had the opportunity to crawl all over the machine at Mildenhall.

Drag ...

Another interesting 'concept' ... Especially if you were to loose a donkey :eek:

https://defensesystems.com/~/media/G...FVLconcept.png

More detail here on the US Future Vertical Lift Project ...

US FVLP

How exactly is pointing out that the consequences of a double engine failure in a V22 is very similar to the consequences of a double engine failure in a 777 puerile?

Both are vanishingly unlikely, and both are likely to be catastrophic yet for some reason you have decided to hold the V22 to some kind of higher standard.

p.s. I'm really impressed by your engine failure dits.:rolleyes:

CS - isn't that one of those things you control with an iPad?

I attended Farnborough 2012 and here are my photos of the 'Black Knights' MV-22B

cheers

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...psjpi6vhsi.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...psogeqdafp.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...psysr48wmh.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...psliixmnpt.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...psq68sbeg7.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...psp7hhazl1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ps6vtoalb4.jpg

I see your Farnborough 2012, and raise you Kitty Hawk, 17 Dec 2003:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps4ijacclu.jpg

:ok: :ok:

Luckily, MOSTAFA, the people currently operating them with great success and happiness couldn't give a toss whether you think it is ready now.

Yo, Tourist, there's a bloke on another thread who's always complaining about bickering, and the sneaky :mad:'s using your handle! Just thought you should know.

Didn't they do that in Avatar?

That's because, in the 777, when you get to the bottom of the autorotation you realize that you haven't got a collective to pull up, and that your flare just stalled you! :oh::}

As to autos in a V-22, I had a look at the NATOPS manual a few years ago. I think "sporting" is how I'd describe the profile. As long as you can walk away from a real one, you win.

If any of you drop over to the first or second V-22 thread you'll see a few discussions about Autos in the Osprey.

We should have kept the Fairey Rotodyne. At least it's cockpit wouldn't have all those fingerprints on it.

WHYYYYY touch the bloody screen?