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AARON O'DICKYDIDO 18th Nov 2015 07:26

When I first read the words 'Vulcan' and 'Rolls', I thought we were back on to aircrew rations again! Then I waited for the ex Nimrod fraternity to chip in but they were not forthcoming.

Aaron.

Pontius Navigator 18th Nov 2015 08:15

Aaron, yr a right barrel of laughs.

:)

NutLoose 18th Nov 2015 09:03


When will the pleading for cash start...................... Well indeed. But they've had all they're getting from me. I've cancelled my monthly donation and split it so that half will go to 655 MaPS and the other half to FNHT. BEagle
They have made a profit in the last couple of years Beags, see

https://companycheck.co.uk/company/0...ncial-accounts

H Peacock 18th Nov 2015 09:41

Wow, £825,279 in wages! Great work if you can get it. I thought it was mostly volunteers. How many were getting payed, lots getting a little, or a few getting lots???

As regards the barrel roll, not sure the CAA can just turn a blind eye and ignore it. Seem to recall a while back a cup-cake attempting a loop in a Tigermoth at a ridiculously low height. Believe there was a fatality when it all went awry despite no fault being found with the aircraft.

NutLoose 18th Nov 2015 11:51

Don't forget a lot of the people were / are full time, though a few years ago Phleming was on £70K I believe, a lot of tin rattling for that and also the crews were paid etc, most of those at Airshows etc were unpaid volunteers, they often got left to face the disgruntled public at no shows such as was the case at Waddington? when the permit wasn't in place.. I felt sorry for them, especially as they were not involved in the monumental c*ck up, simply there to do their bit to support the Vulcan..

Could be the last? 19th Nov 2015 19:26

Just a heads-up for the 29th Nov:

Guy Martin flies alongside iconic Vulcan Bomber in new Channel 4 show | Grimsby Telegraph

sooty655 20th Nov 2015 18:27


Originally Posted by Could be the last?
Just a heads-up for the 29th Nov:

Guy Martin flies alongside iconic Vulcan Bomber in new Channel 4 show | Grimsby Telegraph

As well as the XH558 stuff, a lot of the material was filmed at Wellesbourne with XM655.


Originally Posted by Beagle
Well indeed. But they've had all they're getting from me. I've cancelled my monthly donation and split it so that half will go to 655 MaPS and the other half to FNHT.


Originally Posted by H Peacock
Wow, £825,279 in wages! Great work if you can get it. I thought it was mostly volunteers. How many were getting payed, lots getting a little, or a few getting lots???

655MaPS are happy to assure everyone that we are ALL volunteers, and we have no intention of barrel-rolling our wonderful Vulcan. :)

JFZ90 28th Nov 2015 16:05

The Guy Martin thing is on tomorrow at 1930

The TV trailer has some nice video - including what appears to be a clip of the start of something that could be rather similar to the aero under debate here!


EDIT; the online trailer has better shots, including the teaser at 2:23! Probably just a wing over......I think the editor is having a bit of fun!

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/g...mber/on-demand

typerated 5th Jan 2017 06:44

All gone quiet on this

Pontius Navigator 5th Jan 2017 08:04

Until now . . .

NutLoose 5th Jan 2017 10:45

They are moving out of their Hangar into a smaller one to save costs, using what sounds like airport requirements as an excuse and have put the Canberra project on hold / back burner... seems the cash cow has been well and truly milked to death. Call me old fashioned, but it sounds like the best place it should have gone, was back to Bruntingthorpe.

One wonders how long it will be until it is parked up outside rotting away.

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/Transformation.html


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Wander00 5th Jan 2017 13:44

Nl - I am similarly cynical

Pontius Navigator 5th Jan 2017 14:04

Or from Nutty' s link, Ge us yer money

GeeRam 5th Jan 2017 16:16


Originally Posted by NutLoose
They are moving out of their Hangar into a smaller one to save costs, using what sounds like airport requirements as an excuse and have put the Canberra project on hold / back burner... seems the cash cow has been well and truly milked to death. Call me old fashioned, but it sounds like the best place it should have gone, was back to Bruntingthorpe.

One wonders how long it will be until it is parked up outside rotting away.

Within 3 years would be my guess as the answer to your last question.

Have heard whispers that the Canberra project might never happen now (as a few people predicted at the time)

I still think Elvington would have been the best place to have retired '558 to, with a combined fund raising effort to build a hangar to jointly keep and maintain both '558 and Lusty.

Blacksheep 6th Jan 2017 10:22

One problem with "The Vulcan Experience" is that with all the changes made to satisfy civilian flying requirements, 558 is no longer a true Vulcan. The Vulcan at Hendon on the other hand...

Pontius Navigator 6th Jan 2017 10:26

BS, or Newark etc

NutLoose 6th Jan 2017 11:26

Accounts are here, plus the blurb on the move from No3 to No1 hangar.

https://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04478686

Charity Details

BEagle 6th Jan 2017 12:54

XM655 at Wellesbourne Mountford is the only authentic Vulcan which is still routinely run and taxyed. Thanks to the efforts of the 655 Maintenance and Preservation Society, all engine and aircraft systems are serviceable, but whether any of the lower deck people's simmering black dustbins still work, I don't know - in any case, they're not needed. The AEO's electrical panel is also fully serviceable, but obviously not the ECM cans.

See 655 Maintenance & Preservation Society - Visit Us for details of how to visit 655MaPS.

'558 was, if I recall correctly, supposed to be restored to 'as original' cockpit configuration after flying ceased. That doesn't appear to have happened...

The world's only surviving Swift F4, WK275, has been restored to an immaculate static display condition and was parked in the hangar next to '558 in December. Whether it's still there, I don't know. As for Canberra B2 WK613, it would be a great shame if the project foundered.

Personally I feel that concentrating all VTTS funding on keeping '558 in taxying condition isn't worth the expense it seems to be costing. Better to see it kept in immaculate static condition and to concentrate funding on restoring WK613 to flying condition if at all possible. If not, then at least to immaculate static condition...

GeeRam 6th Jan 2017 22:48


Originally Posted by BEagle
Personally I feel that concentrating all VTTS funding on keeping '558 in taxying condition isn't worth the expense it seems to be costing

Have they even bothered to taxy it, or done a fast runway run etc., in the past 12 months or more that she's been grounded...?

The B Word 7th Jan 2017 09:03

I see from the link above that the wages bill for VTTS was £869k for 34 employees with Dr Plemming taking between £70k to £80k for running the 'charity'. That's a lot of wonga...


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