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tartare 14th Apr 2018 02:11

Gen Dunford just said no Russian SAMs - just Syrian.
CNN also report Bones used.

ORAC 14th Apr 2018 02:15

Pentagon briefing

No response by Russian forces. No coordination or advance notice of targets given to Russians except usual daily airspace coordination message from the CAOC in Qatar last night.

Attack was made against three Syrian targets A CW storage site, an HQ and a CW research facility at 2100 EST. Attack was made with both cruise missiles and manned aircraft. uS, British and French forces used in the attack.

BDR will take place overnight and a further briefing will be given tomorrow morning at 0900 EST.

I will be interested to see what weapons were used against the storage site to minimise the release and spread of the CW in the local area.

Airbubba 14th Apr 2018 02:30


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10117732)
Attack was made against three Syrian CW storage sites and command centres at 2100 EST.

For clarity, the attack was at 9 pm Eastern Daylight Time (EDT, not EST), i.e. 0100Z.

Some eyewitness reports and video starting to come in on Syrian TV:


Easy Street 14th Apr 2018 02:59

@alibunkallsky (Sky News) reporting all four Tornados returned safely. How’s about that then, Van? :D

The Pentagon press conference said that around double the number of missiles were fired compared to the Shayrat attack, which would make 120ish. Syrian TV is claiming 13 shot down. Not a great advertisement for the vaunted anti-missile capabilities, in fact a significant embarrassment if true given the rhetoric from Moscow.


I will be interested to see what weapons were used against the storage site to minimise the release and spread of the CW in the local area
MOD Statement

Looks like Storm Shadow was used against stored CW precursors. Presumably they’ll have assessed that releasing precursors in an isolated area would be an acceptable risk.

tartare 14th Apr 2018 03:51

Yes - what's with this all singing, all dancing `feared' S-400 that can hold everything out to Cyprus, down to Israel and up to Turkey at threat?
There are reportedly at least two in the area.
Russians supposedly not given a heads up; so did they or the Syrians choose not to use it?

Airbubba 14th Apr 2018 03:56

From the MOD statement:


The UK element of the carefully coordinated joint action was contributed by four Royal Air Force Tornado GR4s.
We appreciate the UK's enormous level of support in our military actions. :ok:

Bigpants 14th Apr 2018 06:25

A face saving strike where the combatants signalled their intentions well in advance. The S400 did not fire at the GR4s and a handful of missiles hit a few sites around Damascus.

In next weeks news a dozen innocent people die in London as an IS radical plows van into crowd...says its revenge for Syria.

ORAC 14th Apr 2018 07:31


a handful of missiles hit a few sites around Damascus.
About 120 I believe - and there are reports of B-1 involvement.

Treble one 14th Apr 2018 08:10

BBC also reporting use of Storm Shadow- the footage (MOD released) clearly shows each aircraft carrying a pair each. Target was on CW precursors just outside Homs.

Kerosene Kraut 14th Apr 2018 08:23

Below the line, what valuable target can be hit if strikes are announced days ahead? You could even see the Russian navy moving out ships out of their base for days and their air defence looks like having remained silent. So everything was agreed before? Even Israel seems to pre-coordinate things with Russia these days.

So is this more than a show? Not exactly some credible chemical weapons deterrence it seems. Two days of evening headlines news and this was it.

dead_pan 14th Apr 2018 08:35

Russian defence ministry now claiming Syria AD downed 150 of the 120 missiles launched against the country...

AnglianAV8R 14th Apr 2018 08:39

This is all a bit worrying.
There's a farm just a few yards from us with a shed full of "precursors"

Treble one 14th Apr 2018 08:39


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 10117991)
Russian defence ministry now claiming Syria AD downed 150 of the 120 missiles launched against the country...



Sounds like a pretty formidable IADS they have there.....

Treble one 14th Apr 2018 08:41

BBC now reporting that there will be no retrospective vote to approve last nights strikes.......
Its a bit late anyway now anyway?

Easy Street 14th Apr 2018 09:16


Originally Posted by Bigpants
In next weeks news a dozen innocent people die in London as an IS radical plows van into crowd...says its revenge for Syria

If there’s any revenge from this it won’t be from IS; they and all the other Sunni Islamist nutters are opposed to Assad so will presumably be happy to see his stuff getting broken. It will be Iran, Hezbollah or more likely Russia that does something about it...


So is this more than a show? ... Two days of evening headlines news and this was it
Everyone talks about how Putin plays the West, but I’ve actually quite enjoyed watching the West play him back. He doesn’t like it does he? Lots more to come ‘out of sight’ on this I fancy.

Kerosene Kraut 14th Apr 2018 09:30

The west responded way better to Skripal than to Assad.

Basil 14th Apr 2018 09:38


Originally Posted by Bigpants (Post 10117884)
A face saving strike where the combatants signalled their intentions well in advance. The S400 did not fire at the GR4s and a handful of missiles hit a few sites around Damascus.

In next weeks news a dozen innocent people die in London as an IS radical plows van into crowd...says its revenge for Syria.

Which he'd have eventually done anyway, not because of Syria but because most people don't agree with his Wahabi view.

Right Hand Thread 14th Apr 2018 09:44


Originally Posted by Airbubba (Post 10117785)
From the MOD statement:



We appreciate the UK's enormous level of support in our military actions. :ok:


It’s the easiest way to avoid US ‘blue on blue’ attacks. :)

A_Van 14th Apr 2018 10:42


Originally Posted by tartare (Post 10117783)
...
Russians supposedly not given a heads up;

Do not worry, "nessun dorma" :rolleyes:

It was announced earlier that the Russians would only respond if the US & Co shoot at them. Nobody did, even no threat in the areas where two Russian bases are located. Thus, why to respond?

Lots of data concerning the western attack have been collected and are/will be analyzed, good.



Originally Posted by tartare (Post 10117783)
...
...or the Syrians choose not to use it?

It seems that the Syrians used everything they had in terms of AD: C-125, C-200, 1st gen of BuK and 2-3 other types of AD systems, still from the times of Soviet Union. They even do not have C-300, while they were sold to Cyprus/Greece in 90's.

I wonder what exactly the intercept ratio was (per type of missile and per type of AD complex). First announcements differ greatly and seem not trustworthy. Western leaders are just saying that the goals have been achieved, which sounds vague. Conversely, the Russian MoD gives too detailed numbers, which I doubt a lot (i.e. 71 missile intercepted of 100+ and also split is provided per attacked facility/airbase):
https://function.mil.ru/news_page/co...2171300@egNews

It's in Russian but autotranslation should work...

air pig 14th Apr 2018 11:24

Now who said it was a good idea to retire the Tornado fleet?


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